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Concrete proof? Like the mailer?
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM187_ballotapp.html
Why is cheating a non-story?
apparently Obama was kinda dishonest himself.....i have heard quit a few Liberals here say they are not happy with the guy for this reason....If Republicans have a superior agenda..they should run on their merits.
But that's not what is happening. Republicans like to point to the 2010 election as some sort of benchmark. But the Republican candidates were dishonest, to say the least, about what they planned to do in Congress. They ran on perserving Medicare and Creating jobs. They've done neither.
And this sort of trickery only puts on display, for all to see, what sort of governance they are looking for..
A dysfunctional one.
politico already says AFP has addressed the issue.
Non-story, made into a story by desperate libs who want to regain their position regardless of what they have to do.
AFP says misleading ballots were a mistake - David Catanese - POLITICO.com
AFP says misleading ballots were a mistake
The conservative third party group Americans for Prosperity said absentee ballots sent to Wisconsin voters this weekend with the wrong election date was the result of a "printing mistake."
"The date on the ballot application was meant solely for the elections held on August 16th. Due to a mistake during printing, all applications were sent out with the August 11th date," said AFP-Wisconsin state director Matt Seaholm. Americans for Prosperity-Wisconsin did not intend to print the incorrect absentee deadline or confuse voters in any way."
POLITICO first reported Monday that AFP had sent ballots to solidly Democratic voters in two state Senate recall districts, instructing them to return the paperwork by Aug. 11 -- two days after the Aug. 9 election date.
The Wisconsin Democratic Party has already filed a formal complaint with the state's Government Accountability Board. The Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee is also calling for an investigation.
Seaholm said AFP-Wisconsin is addressing the mistake by sending out a call "to each and every individual on the mailing list to clarify the date of the elections."
apparently Obama was kinda dishonest himself.....i have heard quit a few Liberals here say they are not happy with the guy for this reason....If Republicans have a superior agenda..they should run on their merits.
But that's not what is happening. Republicans like to point to the 2010 election as some sort of benchmark. But the Republican candidates were dishonest, to say the least, about what they planned to do in Congress. They ran on perserving Medicare and Creating jobs. They've done neither.
And this sort of trickery only puts on display, for all to see, what sort of governance they are looking for..
A dysfunctional one.
medicare is not going to be destroyed, the safety net remains.
debt = 95% of gdp. Printing money just means you have more money, it does not mean it's worth more.
Having more money in the private sector = jobs in the private sector. less jobs in government means less money is needed to be taxed. That = we have more money to spend = job creation = equals more people to be taxed = less tax burden for all = we have more money to spend = job creation = so on and so forth.
What lie? Not sure what you are getting at about Medicare. The Republicans were running on the fact that the Obama administration was "cutting" 500 billion from Medicare. Well the cuts were to be found by reducing fraud, redundancy and waste. Something Conservatives use to support. But the Ryan plan sought to make it into a "voucher" program..which it is not. And even he said it was a part of a move to privatize the whole thing. Effectively destroying it.
And really..think about what Medicare does. It takes care of old people. It's a demographic the HMOs want no part of. And going back to the days prior to Medicare..the Middle Class and the poor were dying earlier and in a great deal more pain..then their rich counter parts. I don't know about you..but I don't think wealth should be a big factor in life expendancy.
And your "money in the private sector" equation is total bullshit. There are oceans of liquidity in the private sector as we speak...and NO JOBS.
And there's the lie.
And it worked. The liberal fear mongering worked in short order. Shame about the fact that it will go under in 10 years. but lets just keep kicking the can
Concrete proof? Like the mailer?
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM187_ballotapp.html
Why is cheating a non-story?
Wytch....im willing to bet most States have a PO Box for their absent T Ballots return Mail....California Does.....and if you notice they are saying it will be going to the City Clerk.....if it isnt that is Direct Mail fraud and they will be in somewhat hot water with the Federal Government......a Postal Inspector im sure would be on top of this if this mail was going someplace besides the City Clerk.....
Wisconsin Family Action PAC
PO Box 1327 Madison WI 53701-1327
608-268-5074 (Madison) 866-849-2536 (toll-free) 608-256-3370 (fax)
Email: [email protected]
What lie? Not sure what you are getting at about Medicare. The Republicans were running on the fact that the Obama administration was "cutting" 500 billion from Medicare. Well the cuts were to be found by reducing fraud, redundancy and waste. Something Conservatives use to support. But the Ryan plan sought to make it into a "voucher" program..which it is not. And even he said it was a part of a move to privatize the whole thing. Effectively destroying it.
And really..think about what Medicare does. It takes care of old people. It's a demographic the HMOs want no part of. And going back to the days prior to Medicare..the Middle Class and the poor were dying earlier and in a great deal more pain..then their rich counter parts. I don't know about you..but I don't think wealth should be a big factor in life expendancy.
And your "money in the private sector" equation is total bullshit. There are oceans of liquidity in the private sector as we speak...and NO JOBS.
And there's the lie.
And it worked. The liberal fear mongering worked in short order. Shame about the fact that it will go under in 10 years. but lets just keep kicking the can
It's not a lie.
Giving out vouchers to be redeemed by private companies completely changes Medicare.
That's not how it works...presently.
You guys think that substituting a cat for a dog..and calling it a dog..makes it a dog.
politico already says AFP has addressed the issue.
Non-story, made into a story by desperate libs who want to regain their position regardless of what they have to do.
AFP says misleading ballots were a mistake - David Catanese - POLITICO.com
AFP says misleading ballots were a mistake
The conservative third party group Americans for Prosperity said absentee ballots sent to Wisconsin voters this weekend with the wrong election date was the result of a "printing mistake."
"The date on the ballot application was meant solely for the elections held on August 16th. Due to a mistake during printing, all applications were sent out with the August 11th date," said AFP-Wisconsin state director Matt Seaholm. Americans for Prosperity-Wisconsin did not intend to print the incorrect absentee deadline or confuse voters in any way."
POLITICO first reported Monday that AFP had sent ballots to solidly Democratic voters in two state Senate recall districts, instructing them to return the paperwork by Aug. 11 -- two days after the Aug. 9 election date.
The Wisconsin Democratic Party has already filed a formal complaint with the state's Government Accountability Board. The Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee is also calling for an investigation.
Seaholm said AFP-Wisconsin is addressing the mistake by sending out a call "to each and every individual on the mailing list to clarify the date of the elections."
AAAAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
so they lied and got busted and here the dopes will keep spreading it like facts.
Is it legal for a PAC to send out a flyer with an application for an absentee ballot, and have the mailing address that said request will be sent to listed as an address NOT controlled by the Wisconsin Elections Division?
Thanks.
Just sent the email below to the Wisconsin Elections office...
Is it legal for a PAC to send out a flyer with an application for an absentee ballot, and have the mailing address that said request will be sent to listed as an address NOT controlled by the Wisconsin Elections Division?
Thanks.
I'll post any reply I get.
Thank you for your interest in this Elections Division - Wisconsin Government Accountability Board topic. We may need to forward your question to a staff expert. Please allow time for the appropriate person to respond to your request.
Sincerely,
Elections Division - Wisconsin Government Accountability Board
Just sent the email below to the Wisconsin Elections office...
Is it legal for a PAC to send out a flyer with an application for an absentee ballot, and have the mailing address that said request will be sent to listed as an address NOT controlled by the Wisconsin Elections Division?
Thanks.
I'll post any reply I get.
First response is the typical form letter...
Thank you for your interest in this Elections Division - Wisconsin Government Accountability Board topic. We may need to forward your question to a staff expert. Please allow time for the appropriate person to respond to your request.
Sincerely,
Elections Division - Wisconsin Government Accountability Board
Americans for Prosperity is sending absentee ballots to Democrats in at least two Wisconsin state Senate recall districts with instructions to return the paperwork after the election date.
The fliers, obtained by POLITICO, ask solidly Democratic voters to return ballots for the Aug. 9 election to the city clerk "before Aug. 11."
A Democrat on the ground in Wisconsin said the fliers were discovered to be hitting doors in District 2 and District 10 over the weekend.
AFP Wisconsin ballots have late return date
And what address do the cheating GOPers put on the ballot request form? Not the address for the Elections Office, but a PO Box registered to the PAC.
Seriously, why do they have to cheat?
When you wanna talk out your ass and blow things outta proportion, don't post the link.
If you want to keep from looking like a fool, read the whole link.
One flier was discovered in Hudson, Wisc. where Democrat Shelly Moore is attempting to upend GOP State Sen. Sheila Harsdorf in District 10; the other was found in Kaukauna, where Democrat Nancy Nusbaum is challenging Sen. Robert Cowles in District 2.
That means there are 2 that were found.
some conspiracy
We don't need a link to know that Republicans use these Rovian tacticts and have for years.
Just sent the email below to the Wisconsin Elections office...
Is it legal for a PAC to send out a flyer with an application for an absentee ballot, and have the mailing address that said request will be sent to listed as an address NOT controlled by the Wisconsin Elections Division?
Thanks.
I'll post any reply I get.
First response is the typical form letter...
Thank you for your interest in this Elections Division - Wisconsin Government Accountability Board topic. We may need to forward your question to a staff expert. Please allow time for the appropriate person to respond to your request.
Sincerely,
Elections Division - Wisconsin Government Accountability Board
There is no law that restricts the ability of a PAC or any other person/organization from soliciting absentee applications to their own address.
Sincerely,
David Buerger
Elections Specialist
Wisconsin Government Accountability Board
[email protected]
(608) 267-0951
Concrete proof? Like the mailer?
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM187_ballotapp.html
Why is cheating a non-story?
Wytch....im willing to bet most States have a PO Box for their absent T Ballots return Mail....California Does.....and if you notice they are saying it will be going to the City Clerk.....if it isnt that is Direct Mail fraud and they will be in somewhat hot water with the Federal Government......a Postal Inspector im sure would be on top of this if this mail was going someplace besides the City Clerk.....
actually, it looks like the only mention of the city clerk is the part where it says 'when you get your ballot from the city clerk'.
The address it has to send the request form is indeed a PO Box. I did some checking on who owns that box, and I found this...
http://www.wifamilyaction.org/files/trya.campaigntoolbox.org/downloads/WFAPAC_PR_040611.pdf
Wisconsin Family Action PAC
PO Box 1327 Madison WI 53701-1327
608-268-5074 (Madison) 866-849-2536 (toll-free) 608-256-3370 (fax)
Email: [email protected]
I've no idea if sending out a flyer with a request for an absentee ballot, and having the address the request is to be sent to as something other than the Elecitons office, is illegal or not.
And there's the lie.
And it worked. The liberal fear mongering worked in short order. Shame about the fact that it will go under in 10 years. but lets just keep kicking the can
It's not a lie.
Giving out vouchers to be redeemed by private companies completely changes Medicare.
That's not how it works...presently.
You guys think that substituting a cat for a dog..and calling it a dog..makes it a dog.
Change is not destruction.
If the dog and the cat can fetch, the only differenct is that it's a cat.
I should have been more clear.
It's a fear mongering lie spread by dnc leaders that once claimed that doing such things were vile acts, thus proving they are not worthy of anyones support.
This is a non story until I see concrete proof.
Just as Acorn was a non story due to lack of proof..
Oh wait...thats right....it was a non story DESPITE proof.
Concrete proof? Like the mailer?
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM187_ballotapp.html
Why is cheating a non-story?
You didn't read it did you?
On page 2 it's very clear that you and politico are a bunch of lying fucktards.
step1; Fill ou the attached application for an absentee ballot TODAY
Step 2; Mail it
Step 3; Whe you rcv your ballot from your city clerk, fill it out IMMEDITELY
Step 4; Mail in completed ballot which must be rcvd by your city clerk on the Thersday of the week BEFORE the general election.
Grats, you just proved that you are a lying scum bag.
Wytch....im willing to bet most States have a PO Box for their absent T Ballots return Mail....California Does.....and if you notice they are saying it will be going to the City Clerk.....if it isnt that is Direct Mail fraud and they will be in somewhat hot water with the Federal Government......a Postal Inspector im sure would be on top of this if this mail was going someplace besides the City Clerk.....
actually, it looks like the only mention of the city clerk is the part where it says 'when you get your ballot from the city clerk'.
The address it has to send the request form is indeed a PO Box. I did some checking on who owns that box, and I found this...
http://www.wifamilyaction.org/files/trya.campaigntoolbox.org/downloads/WFAPAC_PR_040611.pdf
Wisconsin Family Action PAC
PO Box 1327 • Madison WI 53701-1327
608-268-5074 (Madison) • 866-849-2536 (toll-free) • 608-256-3370 (fax)
Email: [email protected]
I've no idea if sending out a flyer with a request for an absentee ballot, and having the address the request is to be sent to as something other than the Elecitons office, is illegal or not.
actually, it looks like the only mention of the city clerk is the part where it says 'when you get your ballot from the city clerk'.
they mention the City Clerk 3 TIMES.....and they are saying in #4 that the City Clerk will be receiving these Ballets and he/she will have more info if needed......if they say that the Ballets will be going there and they are not.....that is Fraud ......
There is no law that restricts the ability of a PAC or any other person/organization from soliciting absentee applications to their own address.
Sincerely,
David Buerger
Elections Specialist
Wisconsin Government Accountability Board
[email protected]
(608) 267-0951
Concrete proof? Like the mailer?
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM187_ballotapp.html
Why is cheating a non-story?
You didn't read it did you?
On page 2 it's very clear that you and politico are a bunch of lying fucktards.
step1; Fill ou the attached application for an absentee ballot TODAY
Step 2; Mail it
Step 3; Whe you rcv your ballot from your city clerk, fill it out IMMEDITELY
Step 4; Mail in completed ballot which must be rcvd by your city clerk on the Thersday of the week BEFORE the general election.
Grats, you just proved that you are a lying scum bag.
Um...the mailing clearly says August 11. The election is Aug 9.
I am too kind to declare what you just proved yourself to be.
Concrete proof? Like the mailer?
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM187_ballotapp.html
Why is cheating a non-story?
Wytch....im willing to bet most States have a PO Box for their absent T Ballots return Mail....California Does.....and if you notice they are saying it will be going to the City Clerk.....if it isnt that is Direct Mail fraud and they will be in somewhat hot water with the Federal Government......a Postal Inspector im sure would be on top of this if this mail was going someplace besides the City Clerk.....
