Climatologists Trade Tips on Destroying Evidence, Evangelizing Warming

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Climatologists Trade Tips on Destroying Evidence, Evangelizing Warming

Penn State researcher and his CRU/IPCC colleague treated AGW like a religious "cause" despite warnings from peers

Anthropogenic global warming is a fascinating hypothesis that mankind may be able to systematically increase the Earth's temperature in the long term by burning deposits of hydrocarbon fuels. But the key thing to note is that despite the intriguing premise, little definitive information has been determined in this field even as politicization runs rife. In fact, researchers are still struggling to explain why warming has stalled in the last decade even as levels of carbon dioxide -- supposedly the most important greenhouse gas have rose.

I. Climatologists "Pull an Enron", Shred the Evidence

The recent University of California, Berkley "BEST" study -- perhaps the most comprehensive climate change investigation to date -- was blasted by AGW proponents. They were upset that the study -- funded in part by the charity of a major oil entrepreneur -- highlighted the fact that temperatures had flat lined over the past decade, and were more upset still that the study suggested that other factors like sea currents could have driven the warming that occurred in the 1960s-1990s.

But newly reportedly leaked emails reveal that accusations of bias are perhaps a bit of projection. The new emails include discussions that sound as shocking or more so as the infamous "Climategate" emails from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU).

The new emails revisit embattled climate researcher-cum-AGW evangelist Phil Jones, a scientist working with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

In one email Professor Jones explains to researchers how to best hide their work to prevent anyone from being able to replicate it and find errors:

I've been told that IPCC is above national FOI [Freedom of Information] Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process. Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden. I've discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.


Of course Phil Jones and his supporters will likely claim that the emails were taken out of context of some larger more appropriate discussion. But as a researcher it's pretty damning to make comments that even would seem to imply that you were engaging in trying to suppress peer review of questionable data -- academic fraud.

Particularly trouble is the phrase "cover yourself", which suggest a conspiratorial, political undertone to what is supposed to be a transparent field of research.

The emails contain outright requests for the destruction of professional communications regarding research in an effort to cover up public scrutiny of public flaws. The leaks add yet another humiliating scandal to Pennsylvania State University as they implicate prominent Penn State climatologist Michael Mann even more directly than the last release.

Writes the Professor Jones to Professor Mann:

Mike, can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith [Briffa] re AR4 [UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 4th Assessment]? Keith will do likewise. … We will be getting Caspar [Ammann] to do likewise. I see that CA [the Climate Audit Web site] claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!

Some professors and experts even tried to reach out to Professor Mann, warning him of the danger of turning science into religion by purposefully ignoring evidence. Peter Thorne of the UK Met Office writes:

Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary. I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.

Even Tom Wigley, a scientist at the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research who was implicated in the first CRU email scandal for suggesting the removal of an editor who allowed peer-reviewed skeptical studies to be published, seemed to agree on this extreme instance:

Mike, The Figure you sent is very deceptive … there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC.


The IPCC did eventually change the draft somewhat -- perhaps due to this feedback -- but critics say it still did far too much cherry picking of its sources.

II. Forget Science: You're Either For the Cause, Or You're Against It

n a later email, Professor Mann implies AGW advocacy is a political/pseudo-religious "cause" and that those who question it on scientific merits are enemies of the "cause". He writes, "I gave up on [Georgia Institute of Technology climate professor] Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she thinks she’s doing, but its not helping the cause."

Ironically, Professor Curry appears to be the only one behaving like a true scientist. The emails neglect the forgotten truth that the distinguished Georgia Institute of Technology began as a believed in man-made global warming, publishing a notable 2005 study published in the prestigious Science journal investigating the potential correlation between hurricanes and man-made temperature increases.

The study earned scathing criticism from warming skeptics, but rather than treat her work as religious dogma, she carefully considered the criticism. Supported by her co-author, she personally met with some prominent critics and considered their claims. After all, she recalls in a Scientific American interview, "We were generally aware of these problems when we wrote the paper, but the critics argued that these issues were much more significant than we had acknowledged."

Soon she began to blog for AGW a skeptical blog run by Roger Pielke, Jr., a professor of environmental studies at the University of Colorado, and Climate Audit, run by statistician Steve McIntyre. She began blogging hoping to convince skeptics of the merits of AGW theory via an open discussion. But in time she found herself increasingly troubled by the lack of transparency and conclusive evidence on such an important topic. She singles out the IPCC as a particularly guilty party, accusing it of outright "corruption."

Given the released emails it's hard to argue with that assessment. Writes Jonathan Overpeck, lead coordinating author of the IPCC's most recent climate assessment:

The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guid[e] what’s included and what is left out.

Aside from destroying evidence and ostracizing colleagues, the emails also reveal another sign of dogma and the antithesis of science -- ignorance.
In one email Phil Jones admits he has no idea how to perform the basic statistical analysis that forms the basis of one of his past claims, writing:

I keep on seeing people saying this same stupid thing. I'm not adept enough (totally inept) with excel to do this now as no-one who knows how to is here. What you have to do is to take the numbers in column C (the years) and then those in D (the anomalies for each year), plot them and then work out the linear trend. The slope is upwards. I had someone do this in early 2006, and the trend was upwards then. It will be now. Trend won't be statistically significant, but the trend is up.

III. When in Doubt, Deny

Already AGW advocates are jumping to the defense of the researchers implicated in the scandal. Writes Mother Jones' Kate Sheppard:

Rather than smearing scientists, reporters might want to try some actual reporting.

The new round of hacked emails from climate scientists floating around the internet hasn't generated the same buzz as the last iteration—at least not yet. But in certain circles, it's playing out much like the first batch of emails did in 2009. In addition to the tranche of emails, the poster included a list of "greatest hits"—short quotes from the emails taken out of their context that are intended to paint scientists as scheming or lying. The entire batch was quickly posted in searchable format on another site.

But such critical reports have thus far failed to actually provide virtually any such contextual explanations, despite their suggestion that they must exist. Further, the critics of the email publication are ignoring the fact that there are certain types of things that researchers should know to never say -- such as making comments that even sound like suggesting the destruction of academic evidence.

The reports also ignore the fact that while it's easy to accuse the media, the oil industry, et al. for a mass conspiracy to silence anthropogenic global warming advocates, there's just as compelling a cause for AGW proponents to conspire to silence their critics in a dogmatic, non-scientific fashion.

Such an approach not only guarantees researchers lucrative research grants, it guarantees their political allies potential billions of dollars in windfalls in "carbon credits" and other AGW-inspired wealth redistribution schemes. Al Gore in particular has made close to a billion dollars based on his evangelizing AGW in lectures, film; via carbon credit investments; and by pushing the government to funnel money to his high-risk "green energy" investments in the name of fighting AGW.
 
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Link to ONE scientific body in the WORLD that thinks that climate change isn't happening and isn't man-made?

No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.
Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How embarrassing for you to have posted what looks like sour grapes.

Who should people trust? EVERY SCIENTIFIC BODY ON THE PLANET or some guy on an interwebs forum posting from a right wing blog?
 
Link to ONE scientific body in the WORLD that thinks that climate change isn't happening and isn't man-made?

No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.
Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How embarrassing for you to have posted what looks like sour grapes.

Who should people trust? EVERY SCIENTIFIC BODY ON THE PLANET or some guy on an interwebs forum posting from a right wing blog?

only 20 posts and already gotten to
 
Link to ONE scientific body in the WORLD that thinks that climate change isn't happening and isn't man-made?

No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.
Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How embarrassing for you to have posted what looks like sour grapes.

Who should people trust? EVERY SCIENTIFIC BODY ON THE PLANET or some guy on an interwebs forum posting from a right wing blog?

So called "scientific bodies" are run by a gang of political hacks who are dependent on government for their income. Anyone who thinks science is the result of decisions made by some committee simply unmasks himself as an ignoramus who doesn't know the first thing about science. All the committees in the world could vote that the Sun revolves around the Earth, but that wouldn't make it so. Calling that "scientific opinion" is the joke of the century.
 
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Link to ONE scientific body in the WORLD that thinks that climate change isn't happening and isn't man-made?

No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.
Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How embarrassing for you to have posted what looks like sour grapes.

Who should people trust? EVERY SCIENTIFIC BODY ON THE PLANET or some guy on an interwebs forum posting from a right wing blog?

So called "scientific bodies" are run by a gang of political hacks who are dependent on government for their income. Anyone who things science is the result of decisions made by some committee simply unmasks himself as an ignoramus who doesn't know the first thing about science. All the committees in the world could vote that the Sun revolves around the Earth, but that wouldn't make it so. Calling that "scientific opinion" is the joke of the century.

So your rebuttal is that ALL the worlds scientists are in on the BIGGEST HOAX in history?

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Occham's razor my friend. Occham's razor.
 
i.e., what passes for debate on the skeptic/denier side. :lol::lol::lol:

I don't even really doubt the phenomenon exists. But what I do doubt is whether the issue should be hijacked by politicians in the interest of self-serving agendas and ideologies.
 
So your rebuttal is that ALL the worlds scientists are in on the BIGGEST HOAX in history?

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Occham's razor my friend. Occham's razor.

NO, I referred only to the "leadership" of scientific committees.

They are definitely "in on it," although they aren't part of a conspiracy. They simply understand what government bureaucrats want, and they don't bite the hand that feeds them.
 
Link to ONE scientific body in the WORLD that thinks that climate change isn't happening and isn't man-made?

No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.
Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How embarrassing for you to have posted what looks like sour grapes.

Who should people trust? EVERY SCIENTIFIC BODY ON THE PLANET or some guy on an interwebs forum posting from a right wing blog?





Who cares clone boy. Link to one single piece of empirical data that supports the theory. No computer models mind you. Empirical data only. The fact remains there is none. And the fact remains that no prediction ever made by your masters has ever occured. On the other hand the theory that it is all natural cycles driving it is being supported by the recent leveling off of global temps.

Now, if the temps drop (as is predicted by the natural cycle proponents) you will Know that your masters were wrong. CO2 has been climbing at much higher rates then even Dr. Doom Hansen predicted and the temps are no longer rising. In the real world that is called a failure of the predictive model. In the real worl scientists who had supported that hypothesis would be seeking other ways to explain the observed behavior....not trying to obliterate the observed behavior like your masters are.

But then, I am a scientist and actually do care about the scientific method and scientific ethics. Something they wipe their asses with.
 
Interesting article, more for what it leaves out than anything. It looks like partial cherry picked out of context quotes and claims. Where are these supposed "newly leaked" emails in their entirety?
 
Link to ONE scientific body in the WORLD that thinks that climate change isn't happening and isn't man-made?

No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.
Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How embarrassing for you to have posted what looks like sour grapes.

Who should people trust? EVERY SCIENTIFIC BODY ON THE PLANET or some guy on an interwebs forum posting from a right wing blog?

So called "scientific bodies" are run by a gang of political hacks who are dependent on government for their income. Anyone who things science is the result of decisions made by some committee simply unmasks himself as an ignoramus who doesn't know the first thing about science. All the committees in the world could vote that the Sun revolves around the Earth, but that wouldn't make it so. Calling that "scientific opinion" is the joke of the century.

So your rebuttal is that ALL the worlds scientists are in on the BIGGEST HOAX in history?

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Occham's razor my friend. Occham's razor.




Why thank you for mentioning Occam. Let's take a look at Occam shall we? According to the Vostock ice core data warming occurs first and then, up to 800 years after the warming has occured, Co2 levels increase. Additionally the same ice core data showed that during the Holocene Thermal Maximum the pattern occured and, more interestingly for you, the CO2 levels remained elevated for a 1000 year period and during that 1000 period there were two complete cycles of warming and cooling (of up to 5 degrees) that lasted hundreds of years.

So, remembering our dear friend Occam, what does that tell you?

Be honest now.
 
Interesting article, more for what it leaves out than anything. It looks like partial cherry picked out of context quotes and claims. Where are these supposed "newly leaked" emails in their entirety?





I suggest you go look them up. They are very easily locatable if you choose to look at them. There is a searchable data base that allows you to look through this batch and the original batch. And just so you know....there are at least another 200,000 of them waiting to be released!

The principles involved have been attempting to prevent FOIA releases from the beginning (kind of how companies under criminal investigation try to hide their books) the only problem for them is WE OWN IT. They have recieved money from us to do the work so they don't own a bit of it. It belongs to the people who paid for the research and that is us the taxpayers.

So you have to ask yourself, what are they trying to hide?
 
Link to ONE scientific body in the WORLD that thinks that climate change isn't happening and isn't man-made?

No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.
Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How embarrassing for you to have posted what looks like sour grapes.

Who should people trust? EVERY SCIENTIFIC BODY ON THE PLANET or some guy on an interwebs forum posting from a right wing blog?

So called "scientific bodies" are run by a gang of political hacks who are dependent on government for their income. Anyone who things science is the result of decisions made by some committee simply unmasks himself as an ignoramus who doesn't know the first thing about science. All the committees in the world could vote that the Sun revolves around the Earth, but that wouldn't make it so. Calling that "scientific opinion" is the joke of the century.

So your rebuttal is that ALL the worlds scientists are in on the BIGGEST HOAX in history?

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Occham's razor my friend. Occham's razor.

You're going to have to explain that for him. He is literally the most obtuse person on this site.
 
So called "scientific bodies" are run by a gang of political hacks who are dependent on government for their income. Anyone who things science is the result of decisions made by some committee simply unmasks himself as an ignoramus who doesn't know the first thing about science. All the committees in the world could vote that the Sun revolves around the Earth, but that wouldn't make it so. Calling that "scientific opinion" is the joke of the century.

So your rebuttal is that ALL the worlds scientists are in on the BIGGEST HOAX in history?

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Occham's razor my friend. Occham's razor.

You're going to have to explain that for him. He is literally the most obtuse person on this site.
Well, he didn't say that.

He said science is not run by committee. It isn't. Doing science is very specific. The natural and physical world is rarely democratic.
 
So called "scientific bodies" are run by a gang of political hacks who are dependent on government for their income. Anyone who things science is the result of decisions made by some committee simply unmasks himself as an ignoramus who doesn't know the first thing about science. All the committees in the world could vote that the Sun revolves around the Earth, but that wouldn't make it so. Calling that "scientific opinion" is the joke of the century.

So your rebuttal is that ALL the worlds scientists are in on the BIGGEST HOAX in history?

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Occham's razor my friend. Occham's razor.

You're going to have to explain that for him. He is literally the most obtuse person on this site.

He doesn't know the first thing about Occam's razor, and neither do you. Hardly surprising since you both believe that committees determine the validity of scientific theories.
 
So your rebuttal is that ALL the worlds scientists are in on the BIGGEST HOAX in history?

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Occham's razor my friend. Occham's razor.

You're going to have to explain that for him. He is literally the most obtuse person on this site.

He doesn't know the first thing about Occam's razor, and neither do you. Hardly surprising since you both believe that committees determine the validity of scientific theories.





Well said. those same scientific societies are the same ones that said Alfred Wegener was an idiot for postulating such an absurd theory as Plate Tectonics. He was a meteorologist too you know, oh yes and an astronomer....so he wasn't qualified to speak on matters of geology.

Of course, as we all know now, he was absolutely correct, the geologists of the time were abject morons and he has been proven to be one of the great polymaths of all human history.
 

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