Climategate: What Really Happened?

[CrusaderFrank]

LOL. Yet the glaciers just keep receding, the ice caps continue the melt, the ph of the ocean becomes more acidic by the decade. And you jokers look for some minor error, or anger over the denigration from undegreed amatuers like Watts.

The increase in the number and severity of extreme weather events doesn't even enter into your little alternative universe. We are now seeing the effects of the changing climate in the price of bread, peanuts, pecans, and many other agricultural products. But you continue to ignore that, even as the value of your earnings declines because of the increase in prices. Talk about living in an alternative universe.

We are now in a double La Nina, we should see a winter that sets some major records for cold. Bet that instead, what we will see will be that 2011 and 2012 both are in the top 20 warm years, maybe one even in the top ten. Low TSI, very strong La Nina, followed immediatly by a moderate La Nina, yet the world continues to warm. How does that fit your denial?

But go ahead, find some e-mails from scientists that are pissed about the continued denigration of them and their science. Wave it for the world to see as a bloody rag. And listen to the rest of the world laugh at you as bloody fools. For that you are. Ignoring reality in the name of your political philosophy.

And you still can't point to a single lab experiment that shows how a 100ppm increase in CO2 does ANY of that much less ALL Of that.

Was is the last 10PPM incremental increase of CO2? 5PPM? Hmmm?

AGW science fits solidly between phrenology and astrology

Those experiments have been done repeatedly and you know it. Who do you think you're fooling with your lies?

Post one.

 

[westwall]

LOL. Yet the glaciers just keep receding, the ice caps continue the melt, the ph of the ocean becomes more acidic by the decade. And you jokers look for some minor error, or anger over the denigration from undegreed amatuers like Watts.

The increase in the number and severity of extreme weather events doesn't even enter into your little alternative universe. We are now seeing the effects of the changing climate in the price of bread, peanuts, pecans, and many other agricultural products. But you continue to ignore that, even as the value of your earnings declines because of the increase in prices. Talk about living in an alternative universe.

We are now in a double La Nina, we should see a winter that sets some major records for cold. Bet that instead, what we will see will be that 2011 and 2012 both are in the top 20 warm years, maybe one even in the top ten. Low TSI, very strong La Nina, followed immediatly by a moderate La Nina, yet the world continues to warm. How does that fit your denial?

But go ahead, find some e-mails from scientists that are pissed about the continued denigration of them and their science. Wave it for the world to see as a bloody rag. And listen to the rest of the world laugh at you as bloody fools. For that you are. Ignoring reality in the name of your political philosophy.

And you still can't point to a single lab experiment that shows how a 100ppm increase in CO2 does ANY of that much less ALL Of that.

Was is the last 10PPM incremental increase of CO2? 5PPM? Hmmm?

AGW science fits solidly between phrenology and astrology

Those experiments have been done repeatedly and you know it. Who do you think you're fooling with your lies?

No, the pathetic examples for experiments you provide are wonderful examples of the Ideal Gas Laws and you know it. You're just too much of a political hack and shill for the cultists to admit it.

 

[wirebender]

No, the pathetic examples for experiments you provide are wonderful examples of the Ideal Gas Laws and you know it. You're just too much of a political hack and shill for the cultists to admit it.

No, I think he actually believes that they are proof that CO2 can drive the climate and warm the earth. Suggesting that he knows the first thing about ideal gas laws, much less has the ability to look at an experiment and recognize it as an example of ideal gas laws is a bit of a stretch. Scratch that, it is one hell of a stretch.

 

[westwall]

No, the pathetic examples for experiments you provide are wonderful examples of the Ideal Gas Laws and you know it. You're just too much of a political hack and shill for the cultists to admit it.

No, I think he actually believes that they are proof that CO2 can drive the climate and warm the earth. Suggesting that he knows the first thing about ideal gas laws, much less has the ability to look at an experiment and recognize it as an example of ideal gas laws is a bit of a stretch. Scratch that, it is one hell of a stretch.

Had I not spent a great deal of time explaining the actual experiments to him I would agree. But, the point is I did, in great detail, I then also showed the inherent flaws in the methodology of said "experiments" (and boy do I use that term lightly in this case) so he is well aware that what he claims is an outright lie.

Why am I not surprised....

 

[waltky]

La Nina slipped in there an' fooled `em all...

La Nina cooled the globe in 2011
19 Jan.`12 - A strong La Niña lowered the world's temperature last year to its second-coolest reading of the 2000s, federal scientists announced Thursday.

The nations's two primary climate data sets — from the National Climatic Data Center and NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) — both had the Earth as much warmer than average, but not as warm as recent years have been. The climate center reported that the globe had its 11th-warmest year on record, while NASA marked the year as the 9th warmest on record. Climate records go back to 1880. La Niña is a natural, periodic cooling of tropical Pacific Ocean water that affects weather and climate around the world.

Since 2011 was the second-coolest year of the 2000s, does this mean global warming has slowed? "Global temperature in 2011 was lower than in 1998," NASA climate scientist James Hansen admits in the GISS report. However, he adds that nine of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred in the 21st century, and that 2011 was cooled by a moderately strong La Niña. "We conclude that the slowdown of warming is likely to prove illusory, with more rapid warming appearing over the next few years," Hansen writes.

NCDC calculated the globe's average temperature was 57.9 degrees F, which was 0.9 degrees warmer than the 20th century average of 57 degrees. "There is no long-term cooling trend," said climate scientist Jake Crouch of the NCDC. "If we look at the long-term trend of temperatures for the globe, we see an increasing trend," he says. "However, La Niña can temporarily supress global temperatures." In fact, it was hotter than every year in the 20th century except 1998. When compared to previous La Niña years, the 2011 global surface temperature was the warmest observed. It was the 35th consecutive year that the global temperature was above average, according to the data center. The last below-average year was 1976.

Specifically, 2011 was the warmest year on record in Spain and Norway, and the second-warmest on record for the United Kingdom. NCDC reported the USA's temperature was the 23rd-warmest on record in 2011. What was remarkable for the USA were the precipitation contrasts: Texas had its driest year on record, while seven states — Connecticut, Indiana, Kentucky, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, and Pennsylvania — had their wettest year on record. The NCDC also upped the number of billion-dollar U.S. weather disasters from 12 to 14, adding Tropical Storm Lee and a severe weather outbreak in the Rockies and Midwest from July to the total.

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[skookerasbil]

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lmao.......I post this guy up on almost a daily basis!!!

 

[konradv]

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lmao.......I post this guy up on almost a daily basis!!!

Your new boyfriend?

 

[waltky]

La Nina changes bird migration paths...

Study Links Flu Pandemics to La Niña
January 20, 2012 - New varieties emerge when virus-carrying birds change migration path

A newly-identified link between pandemic flu and the weather phenomenon known as La Niña, may one day permit advance warnings of severe influenza outbreaks. Most of the time, influenza is a temporary annoyance. But every so often a super flu bug comes along, killing millions and sickening many more. Jeffrey Shaman, of the Columbia University School of Public Health, notes there were four documented flu pandemics in the past century. "When we look at those four events, we see that all four of them began directly after a La Niña event in the Pacific," he says.

La Niña is a periodic cooling of Pacific ocean waters that triggers changes in global weather patterns. Among other things, that altered weather disrupts bird migrations. Birds can carry flu virus, and when their migratory patterns change, they can come into contact with other avian species they don't normally meet - birds which might carry a different strain of flu virus. In the process, the viruses’ genetic material can get intermingled to create new influenza strains - in a process known as reassortment. "And it's this reassortment, this creation of new sub-types that takes place - and we think it's in the bird population - that generates, potentially, these pandemic strains that can infect humans and to which most of the world's population will be susceptible," Shaman says.

La Niña events happen every few years, and most are not followed by a pandemic. But because the risk of a pandemic appears to increase after a La Niña, the next step for researchers is to get a better understanding of how birds and the flu viruses they carry are affected. One result, Shaman says, may be the ability to improve prediction of an influenza pandemic. "That's the thing that's exciting about it," he says. "I mean, it offers this sort of tantalizing possibility that you can say, we have a La Niña coming, we need to make these preparations because we know there's an increased likelihood that a pandemic flu strain could arise and infect humans." But Shaman cautions that more research is needed before that kind of prediction becomes possible. His research paper is published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

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Bird Flu Researchers Postpone Work Amid Bioterrorism Concern
January 21, 2012 - Two separate teams of scientists trying to develop a vaccine for the H5N1 strain of bird flu have agreed to temporarily postpone their research because of growing concern that a highly-infectious version of the virus the researchers are working with could fall into the hands of terrorists or trigger a deadly pandemic.

The laboratory-altered strain the scientists are working with is a potent airborne variety of H5N1 that easily could spread among humans. The original H5N1 strain of avian influenza has killed 340 people worldwide since it was first detected in 2003. Scientists at the University of Wisconsin in the United States and at Erasmus University Medical Center in the Netherlands say they are voluntarily halting their work for 60 days. They say the two months will give governments, international organizations and the scientific community time to determine whether the research can be conducted safely.

Biosecurity officials and health experts say that if the potent altered virus reached the general public, it potentially could cause a devastating pandemic. Some fear a worldwide epidemic of airborne bird flu could rival the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak that killed between 20 million and 40 million people in less than two years. The U.S.-based journal, Science and the British journal, Nature, both published the researchers’ announcement on Friday.

The original H5N1 strain of avian influenza is not transmitted through the air, and it does not spread easily among humans. H5N1 usually only infects people that come into direct contact diseased birds. In December, the journals, Science and Nature, reluctantly agreed to a U.S. government request not to publish key details of the H5N1 experiments because terrorists could use the information to make a biological weapon. It is not clear if or when studies will be published. Washington is funding the H5N1 research. Most H5N1 deaths have occurred in East and Southeast Asia, including China, Cambodia and Vietnam.

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[westwall]

La Nina changes bird migration paths...

Study Links Flu Pandemics to La Niña
January 20, 2012 - New varieties emerge when virus-carrying birds change migration path

A newly-identified link between pandemic flu and the weather phenomenon known as La Niña, may one day permit advance warnings of severe influenza outbreaks. Most of the time, influenza is a temporary annoyance. But every so often a super flu bug comes along, killing millions and sickening many more. Jeffrey Shaman, of the Columbia University School of Public Health, notes there were four documented flu pandemics in the past century. "When we look at those four events, we see that all four of them began directly after a La Niña event in the Pacific," he says.

La Niña is a periodic cooling of Pacific ocean waters that triggers changes in global weather patterns. Among other things, that altered weather disrupts bird migrations. Birds can carry flu virus, and when their migratory patterns change, they can come into contact with other avian species they don't normally meet - birds which might carry a different strain of flu virus. In the process, the viruses’ genetic material can get intermingled to create new influenza strains - in a process known as reassortment. "And it's this reassortment, this creation of new sub-types that takes place - and we think it's in the bird population - that generates, potentially, these pandemic strains that can infect humans and to which most of the world's population will be susceptible," Shaman says.

La Niña events happen every few years, and most are not followed by a pandemic. But because the risk of a pandemic appears to increase after a La Niña, the next step for researchers is to get a better understanding of how birds and the flu viruses they carry are affected. One result, Shaman says, may be the ability to improve prediction of an influenza pandemic. "That's the thing that's exciting about it," he says. "I mean, it offers this sort of tantalizing possibility that you can say, we have a La Niña coming, we need to make these preparations because we know there's an increased likelihood that a pandemic flu strain could arise and infect humans." But Shaman cautions that more research is needed before that kind of prediction becomes possible. His research paper is published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Source

See also:

Bird Flu Researchers Postpone Work Amid Bioterrorism Concern
January 21, 2012 - Two separate teams of scientists trying to develop a vaccine for the H5N1 strain of bird flu have agreed to temporarily postpone their research because of growing concern that a highly-infectious version of the virus the researchers are working with could fall into the hands of terrorists or trigger a deadly pandemic.

The laboratory-altered strain the scientists are working with is a potent airborne variety of H5N1 that easily could spread among humans. The original H5N1 strain of avian influenza has killed 340 people worldwide since it was first detected in 2003. Scientists at the University of Wisconsin in the United States and at Erasmus University Medical Center in the Netherlands say they are voluntarily halting their work for 60 days. They say the two months will give governments, international organizations and the scientific community time to determine whether the research can be conducted safely.

Biosecurity officials and health experts say that if the potent altered virus reached the general public, it potentially could cause a devastating pandemic. Some fear a worldwide epidemic of airborne bird flu could rival the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak that killed between 20 million and 40 million people in less than two years. The U.S.-based journal, Science and the British journal, Nature, both published the researchers’ announcement on Friday.

The original H5N1 strain of avian influenza is not transmitted through the air, and it does not spread easily among humans. H5N1 usually only infects people that come into direct contact diseased birds. In December, the journals, Science and Nature, reluctantly agreed to a U.S. government request not to publish key details of the H5N1 experiments because terrorists could use the information to make a biological weapon. It is not clear if or when studies will be published. Washington is funding the H5N1 research. Most H5N1 deaths have occurred in East and Southeast Asia, including China, Cambodia and Vietnam.

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And this relates to the subject how?

 

[IanC]

Climategate: What Really Happened?

simple. the quickest way to fame as a scientist is to come up with a new idea that supplants the old paradigm. Mann and the Hockey team started putting out papers that did away with the MWP and placed the present day temps as the warmest. because there was no outcry over the bad data and methodologies in the early papers they got more brazen, and they got more clout as they took over the spotlight in climate science. legitimate questions to them were taken as insults deemed worthy of severe backlash and retribution. this scared away the middle ground scientists that just wanted to do their work in peace. I have no doubt that the hockey team believed its direction was correct in the beginning, and that it was worth exaggerating because surely later data would support their case. but it hasnt worked out that was and now they are squirming to save face, and see any change in direction as failure to be avoided at any cost.