Climate cry wolf

[miami_thomas]

Did you ever watch the move ‘V’? Remember when people started to question the government then they decided to start putting things on the TV to scare the people. To remind them they need the government. That is what we are seeing now with Global Warming (Climate Change). People have heard the cry wolf when it comes to Global Warming (Climate Change) and all those cries have not come true. So now when they are crying wolf most people are like whatever. So now they are screaming it loader and loader making sound like you will die tomorrow if you don’t act. But again we heard this for some time now.

The fact is seeing is believing. So sure if New York was under water we would believe it. Sure if all the ice were gone, we would believe it. Those were some of the many predictions. Then they said there was a pause and of course those things have not come true. But wait a few days ago they suddenly came up with some math that proves there was no pause. But hello if your predictions were right then why is New York not under water. Why are there record levels of ice in Greenland?

What they then do is try to find anything to validate their beliefs like pointing to where ever the ice is melting ignoring totally the places where it is not. They try to smash anyone that dares question them and throw out numbers like 99.9% of scientists agree. Why stop there why not just say 100%. The fact is they are losing the argument. When you can look at a thermometer and see no warming only to be told you have to do math to see the warming. You are going to lose the argument.

So yes I know I will be called a denier. I will be called idiot or dumb for not following the crowd behind the fire trucks that seem to be going nowhere. But hey seeing is believing and you can’t see their warming without scientific mirrors. I did my own research and checked the temperature records and guess what no warming. But I was then told I needed to do math. I can’t just look at the temperatures. I’m sorry but that is the idiotic statement. At the end, there is not even a smoking gun to point to.

The fact is warming has happened. Cooling has happened and will happen again someday. Our history tells us our planet also cools. So there are obviously other factors at play when it comes to cooling and heating of the planet. When we cannot even accurately predict weather past 10 days, how then do we expect that we can for 50, 100, or a 1000 years? The fact is we can’t and that is why every single one of the prediction models was wrong. When you set out a prediction model and it is wrong, then your scientific idea is wrong.

There are many factors that play in the climate of this planet and to pick just one like carbon and think it is the only factor that drives all the planets heating and cooling is moronic. I will give you a 100% guarantee that there are thousands of other factors that play into the climate. Sure one of those thousand would have some impact but for just one it would not be the impact the alarmist are out to predict. This is why the models are wrong and will be wrong. Until someone figures out the other thousand factors and can accurately surmise what those are, there is no true idea of what is going to happen.

So keep screaming wolf even louder and louder. Those screams are falling on death ears. Sure some will say they believe but their actions will tell differently. If they truly believed, then they would do everything possible to save the planet. The fact is they say they believe just so you will stop talking. But the fact is even more and more people are not listening because the evidence just isn’t there. Now I know you are going to put up articles that exacerbate situations. So we will see more predictions just like the last ones and like before they will not come true.

Sadly this would not be a big deal if tax payers weren’t paying for this stuff. But sadly they are. Global warming has become big business and without the cries of wolf they would be unemployed. But when all the nations run out of money after the next economic collapse, I think we will start to see that money dry up. Sadly we have already wasted so much on this already.

 

[mamooth]

When you can look at a thermometer and see no warming only to be told you have to do math to see the warming. You are going to lose the argument.

No, you're going to easily win the argument by pointing out how stupid it is to think your own backyard represents the whole world.

The fact is we can’t and that is why every single one of the prediction models was wrong.

No, the models have been very good. All the predictions have come true. Only denier cultists try to pretend otherwise, using their forged, faked and fudged data, or by inventing predictions that were never made.

Remember, when the whole world says you're wrong, it's not because of a global conspiracy. It's because you're wrong.

There are many factors that play in the climate of this planet and to pick just one like carbon and think it is the only factor that drives all the planets heating and cooling is moronic

Good thing nobody does that. So why are your repeating such a crazy story?

Sadly this would not be a big deal if tax payers weren’t paying for this stuff. But sadly they are. Global warming has become big business and without the cries of wolf they would be unemployed. But when all the nations run out of money after the next economic collapse, I think we will start to see that money dry up. Sadly we have already wasted so much on this already.

And the VastSecretGlobalSocialistPlot conspiracy theory finally arrives. What a surprise.

We all know the story here. Your right-wing-fringe extremist political cult told you to be terrified of the socialists, in order to get your money and votes, and fed you a big load of lies to stoke your hysteria. We could point you to some non-cult sources to cure your ignorance, but there's little point, since your cult has forbidden you to look at non-cult sources, and you'd just tell us all the data is faked.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Did you ever watch the move ‘V’? Remember when people started to question the government then they decided to start putting things on the TV to scare the people. To remind them they need the government. That is what we are seeing now with Global Warming (Climate Change). People have heard the cry wolf when it comes to Global Warming (Climate Change) and all those cries have not come true. So now when they are crying wolf most people are like whatever. So now they are screaming it loader and loader making sound like you will die tomorrow if you don’t act. But again we heard this for some time now.

The fact is seeing is believing. So sure if New York was under water we would believe it. Sure if all the ice were gone, we would believe it. Those were some of the many predictions. Then they said there was a pause and of course those things have not come true. But wait a few days ago they suddenly came up with some math that proves there was no pause. But hello if your predictions were right then why is New York not under water. Why are there record levels of ice in Greenland?

What they then do is try to find anything to validate their beliefs like pointing to where ever the ice is melting ignoring totally the places where it is not. They try to smash anyone that dares question them and throw out numbers like 99.9% of scientists agree. Why stop there why not just say 100%. The fact is they are losing the argument. When you can look at a thermometer and see no warming only to be told you have to do math to see the warming. You are going to lose the argument.

So yes I know I will be called a denier. I will be called idiot or dumb for not following the crowd behind the fire trucks that seem to be going nowhere. But hey seeing is believing and you can’t see their warming without scientific mirrors. I did my own research and checked the temperature records and guess what no warming. But I was then told I needed to do math. I can’t just look at the temperatures. I’m sorry but that is the idiotic statement. At the end, there is not even a smoking gun to point to.

The fact is warming has happened. Cooling has happened and will happen again someday. Our history tells us our planet also cools. So there are obviously other factors at play when it comes to cooling and heating of the planet. When we cannot even accurately predict weather past 10 days, how then do we expect that we can for 50, 100, or a 1000 years? The fact is we can’t and that is why every single one of the prediction models was wrong. When you set out a prediction model and it is wrong, then your scientific idea is wrong.

There are many factors that play in the climate of this planet and to pick just one like carbon and think it is the only factor that drives all the planets heating and cooling is moronic. I will give you a 100% guarantee that there are thousands of other factors that play into the climate. Sure one of those thousand would have some impact but for just one it would not be the impact the alarmist are out to predict. This is why the models are wrong and will be wrong. Until someone figures out the other thousand factors and can accurately surmise what those are, there is no true idea of what is going to happen.

So keep screaming wolf even louder and louder. Those screams are falling on death ears. Sure some will say they believe but their actions will tell differently. If they truly believed, then they would do everything possible to save the planet. The fact is they say they believe just so you will stop talking. But the fact is even more and more people are not listening because the evidence just isn’t there. Now I know you are going to put up articles that exacerbate situations. So we will see more predictions just like the last ones and like before they will not come true.

Sadly this would not be a big deal if tax payers weren’t paying for this stuff. But sadly they are. Global warming has become big business and without the cries of wolf they would be unemployed. But when all the nations run out of money after the next economic collapse, I think we will start to see that money dry up. Sadly we have already wasted so much on this already.

Bravo!

Someone else who gets it.... And there are millions of us who do..

 

[Crick]

Did you ever watch the move ‘V’? Remember when people started to question the government then they decided to start putting things on the TV to scare the people. To remind them they need the government. That is what we are seeing now with Global Warming (Climate Change). People have heard the cry wolf when it comes to Global Warming (Climate Change) and all those cries have not come true. So now when they are crying wolf most people are like whatever. So now they are screaming it loader and loader making sound like you will die tomorrow if you don’t act. But again we heard this for some time now.

The fact is seeing is believing. So sure if New York was under water we would believe it. Sure if all the ice were gone, we would believe it. Those were some of the many predictions. Then they said there was a pause and of course those things have not come true. But wait a few days ago they suddenly came up with some math that proves there was no pause. But hello if your predictions were right then why is New York not under water. Why are there record levels of ice in Greenland?

What they then do is try to find anything to validate their beliefs like pointing to where ever the ice is melting ignoring totally the places where it is not. They try to smash anyone that dares question them and throw out numbers like 99.9% of scientists agree. Why stop there why not just say 100%. The fact is they are losing the argument. When you can look at a thermometer and see no warming only to be told you have to do math to see the warming. You are going to lose the argument.

So yes I know I will be called a denier. I will be called idiot or dumb for not following the crowd behind the fire trucks that seem to be going nowhere. But hey seeing is believing and you can’t see their warming without scientific mirrors. I did my own research and checked the temperature records and guess what no warming. But I was then told I needed to do math. I can’t just look at the temperatures. I’m sorry but that is the idiotic statement. At the end, there is not even a smoking gun to point to.

The fact is warming has happened. Cooling has happened and will happen again someday. Our history tells us our planet also cools. So there are obviously other factors at play when it comes to cooling and heating of the planet. When we cannot even accurately predict weather past 10 days, how then do we expect that we can for 50, 100, or a 1000 years? The fact is we can’t and that is why every single one of the prediction models was wrong. When you set out a prediction model and it is wrong, then your scientific idea is wrong.

There are many factors that play in the climate of this planet and to pick just one like carbon and think it is the only factor that drives all the planets heating and cooling is moronic. I will give you a 100% guarantee that there are thousands of other factors that play into the climate. Sure one of those thousand would have some impact but for just one it would not be the impact the alarmist are out to predict. This is why the models are wrong and will be wrong. Until someone figures out the other thousand factors and can accurately surmise what those are, there is no true idea of what is going to happen.

So keep screaming wolf even louder and louder. Those screams are falling on death ears. Sure some will say they believe but their actions will tell differently. If they truly believed, then they would do everything possible to save the planet. The fact is they say they believe just so you will stop talking. But the fact is even more and more people are not listening because the evidence just isn’t there. Now I know you are going to put up articles that exacerbate situations. So we will see more predictions just like the last ones and like before they will not come true.

Sadly this would not be a big deal if tax payers weren’t paying for this stuff. But sadly they are. Global warming has become big business and without the cries of wolf they would be unemployed. But when all the nations run out of money after the next economic collapse, I think we will start to see that money dry up. Sadly we have already wasted so much on this already.

Bravo!

Someone else who gets it.... And there are millions of us who do..

Then why is it so notable to meet this one?

 

[SeaPony]

You know why they call us 'deniers' that word is only used for one other thing. See how these scum work.

Al Gore said New York would be underwater by now but hang on he bought a condo there a few days after he made a speech? Funny how people like the Pope and Al Gore preach to us about 'climate change' when they live in mansions and fly around on private jets and tell us we can't have warm showers. PATHETIC.

True people are not buying into it that is why they had to change the name from 'global warming' to 'climate change' when people discovered the planet was not getting warmer. That is how they work they keep changing the name of things to confuse the public, like how they changed Al Qaeda to ISIS, IS and ISIL.

All I am concerned about is the young who have been indoctrinated with this propaganda in the education system, if anyone has children you need to talk to them about it.

 

[SeaPony]

When you can look at a thermometer and see no warming only to be told you have to do math to see the warming. You are going to lose the argument.

No, you're going to easily win the argument by pointing out how stupid it is to think your own backyard represents the whole world.

The fact is we can’t and that is why every single one of the prediction models was wrong.

No, the models have been very good. All the predictions have come true. Only denier cultists try to pretend otherwise, using their forged, faked and fudged data, or by inventing predictions that were never made.

Remember, when the whole world says you're wrong, it's not because of a global conspiracy. It's because you're wrong.

There are many factors that play in the climate of this planet and to pick just one like carbon and think it is the only factor that drives all the planets heating and cooling is moronic

Good thing nobody does that. So why are your repeating such a crazy story?

Sadly this would not be a big deal if tax payers weren’t paying for this stuff. But sadly they are. Global warming has become big business and without the cries of wolf they would be unemployed. But when all the nations run out of money after the next economic collapse, I think we will start to see that money dry up. Sadly we have already wasted so much on this already.

And the VastSecretGlobalSocialistPlot conspiracy theory finally arrives. What a surprise.

We all know the story here. Your right-wing-fringe extremist political cult told you to be terrified of the socialists, in order to get your money and votes, and fed you a big load of lies to stoke your hysteria. We could point you to some non-cult sources to cure your ignorance, but there's little point, since your cult has forbidden you to look at non-cult sources, and you'd just tell us all the data is faked.

So your reply is just because the establishment says it is true it must be true. Big brother is god then?

So Al Gore said New York would be underwater by now in a speech 10 years ago? Still not happened? Satellite images show the ice is larger than ever but you probably only look at them in summer like they want you to.

It is big business because it is a con from begin with to usher in global taxes and global government which will empower the elite.

 

[SeaPony]

Did you ever watch the move ‘V’? Remember when people started to question the government then they decided to start putting things on the TV to scare the people. To remind them they need the government. That is what we are seeing now with Global Warming (Climate Change). People have heard the cry wolf when it comes to Global Warming (Climate Change) and all those cries have not come true. So now when they are crying wolf most people are like whatever. So now they are screaming it loader and loader making sound like you will die tomorrow if you don’t act. But again we heard this for some time now.

The fact is seeing is believing. So sure if New York was under water we would believe it. Sure if all the ice were gone, we would believe it. Those were some of the many predictions. Then they said there was a pause and of course those things have not come true. But wait a few days ago they suddenly came up with some math that proves there was no pause. But hello if your predictions were right then why is New York not under water. Why are there record levels of ice in Greenland?

What they then do is try to find anything to validate their beliefs like pointing to where ever the ice is melting ignoring totally the places where it is not. They try to smash anyone that dares question them and throw out numbers like 99.9% of scientists agree. Why stop there why not just say 100%. The fact is they are losing the argument. When you can look at a thermometer and see no warming only to be told you have to do math to see the warming. You are going to lose the argument.

So yes I know I will be called a denier. I will be called idiot or dumb for not following the crowd behind the fire trucks that seem to be going nowhere. But hey seeing is believing and you can’t see their warming without scientific mirrors. I did my own research and checked the temperature records and guess what no warming. But I was then told I needed to do math. I can’t just look at the temperatures. I’m sorry but that is the idiotic statement. At the end, there is not even a smoking gun to point to.

The fact is warming has happened. Cooling has happened and will happen again someday. Our history tells us our planet also cools. So there are obviously other factors at play when it comes to cooling and heating of the planet. When we cannot even accurately predict weather past 10 days, how then do we expect that we can for 50, 100, or a 1000 years? The fact is we can’t and that is why every single one of the prediction models was wrong. When you set out a prediction model and it is wrong, then your scientific idea is wrong.

There are many factors that play in the climate of this planet and to pick just one like carbon and think it is the only factor that drives all the planets heating and cooling is moronic. I will give you a 100% guarantee that there are thousands of other factors that play into the climate. Sure one of those thousand would have some impact but for just one it would not be the impact the alarmist are out to predict. This is why the models are wrong and will be wrong. Until someone figures out the other thousand factors and can accurately surmise what those are, there is no true idea of what is going to happen.

So keep screaming wolf even louder and louder. Those screams are falling on death ears. Sure some will say they believe but their actions will tell differently. If they truly believed, then they would do everything possible to save the planet. The fact is they say they believe just so you will stop talking. But the fact is even more and more people are not listening because the evidence just isn’t there. Now I know you are going to put up articles that exacerbate situations. So we will see more predictions just like the last ones and like before they will not come true.

Sadly this would not be a big deal if tax payers weren’t paying for this stuff. But sadly they are. Global warming has become big business and without the cries of wolf they would be unemployed. But when all the nations run out of money after the next economic collapse, I think we will start to see that money dry up. Sadly we have already wasted so much on this already.

Bravo!

Someone else who gets it.... And there are millions of us who do..

In the years to come we will probably be classed as carbon criminals or terrorists.

 

[Crick]

I think simply ignorant and afraid.

 

[SeaPony]

I think simply ignorant and afraid.

That is your analysis of people who don't believe in government propaganda? Wow we are such criminals, I guess you would like to see us on the train to the 're-education' camps.

 

[Crick]

If you're going to waste everyone's time here trying to analyze my motives, you might want to think a little harder before you start typing.

When I say "ignorant", I am addressing the abysmal state of science education in this country and to a lesser extent elsewhere. When I say "afraid" I am addressing the common human tendency to procrastinate difficult responses to distant threats.

If you do not believe AGW to be valid, who do you believe would be calling the people of today carbon criminals and terrorists?

 

[SeaPony]

Establishment politicians already say it is quote 'almost criminal to deny climate change' trust me in the future it will be illegal and will be treated as a hate crime.

 

[Crick]

I can certainly imagine people in the future not being happy with us. However, that opinion is based on them suffering the consequences of AGW that we failed to address. If you don't believe AGW, then you must believe they will suffer nothing and thus would have no reason to think badly of us. Do you see my point?

Do you or do you not believe AGW is taking place?

 

[SeaPony]

Just a question- where did you first hear 'climate change' or 'global warming'?

 

[Old Rocks]

For me, in a geology class in the mid-60's.

 

[mamooth]

So your reply is just because the establishment says it is true it must be true. Big brother is god then?

Why do you think Big Brother is god? You're the only one saying or implying such a thing. I find that attitude of yours very peculiar.

So Al Gore said New York would be underwater by now in a speech 10 years ago? Still not happened?

The evolution of these denier urban legends is interesting. Needless to say, Gore never said such a thing. Like a good sheep, you're simply bleating what you were told to bleat. If you disagree, show us Gore's exact words.

By the way, Gore Rule invoked. Anyone bringing up Gore forfeits the discussion for their side. Those who can talk about the science, do. Those who can't, they deflect with stories about whatever politician their cult has ordered them to demonize. Cults need their enemies, to rally the faithful against.

Satellite images show the ice is larger than ever but you probably only look at them in summer like they want you to.

Satellites showed a record minimum Arctic sea ice extent peak this spring. Where do you get all this nonsense?

It is big business because it is a con from begin with to usher in global taxes and global government which will empower the elite.

That's a paranoid conspiracy theory. There is no vast secret global socialist plot. The world says you're wrong because you're wrong.

 

[jc456]

I can certainly imagine people in the future not being happy with us. However, that opinion is based on them suffering the consequences of AGW that we failed to address. If you don't believe AGW, then you must believe they will suffer nothing and thus would have no reason to think badly of us. Do you see my point?

Do you or do you not believe AGW is taking place?

so still waiting on a solution to your problem. Have you laid that out yet?

 

[jc456]

For me, in a geology class in the mid-60's.

still waiting on what the solution is? What is the recommended solution to your problem?

 

[jc456]

So your reply is just because the establishment says it is true it must be true. Big brother is god then?

Why do you think Big Brother is god? You're the only one saying or implying such a thing. I find that attitude of yours very peculiar.

So Al Gore said New York would be underwater by now in a speech 10 years ago? Still not happened?

The evolution of these denier urban legends is interesting. Needless to say, Gore never said such a thing. Like a good sheep, you're simply bleating what you were told to bleat. If you disagree, show us Gore's exact words.

By the way, Gore Rule invoked. Anyone bringing up Gore forfeits the discussion for their side. Those who can talk about the science, do. Those who can't, they deflect with stories about whatever politician their cult has ordered them to demonize. Cults need their enemies, to rally the faithful against.

Satellite images show the ice is larger than ever but you probably only look at them in summer like they want you to.

Satellites showed a record minimum Arctic sea ice extent peak this spring. Where do you get all this nonsense?

It is big business because it is a con from begin with to usher in global taxes and global government which will empower the elite.

That's a paranoid conspiracy theory. There is no vast secret global socialist plot. The world says you're wrong because you're wrong.

so what is the solution?

 

[Crick]

Just a question- where did you first hear 'climate change' or 'global warming'?

Meteorological Oceanography class, Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Sciences, University of Miami, 1972.

You?

 

[Crick]

You know why they call us 'deniers' that word is only used for one other thing.

Because, in the face of enormous amounts of objective evidence and the opinions of an overwhelming majority of the experts, you deny the validity of anthropogenic global warming.

See how these scum work.

I begin to see how you work.

Al Gore said New York would be underwater by now

No, he did not.

but hang on he bought a condo there a few days after he made a speech?

Al and Tipper Gore's three children live in the Regis, but if Al visits them, he rents a room.

Funny how people like the Pope and Al Gore preach to us about 'climate change' when they live in mansions and fly around on private jets and tell us we can't have warm showers. PATHETIC.

Can I ask your age?

True people are not buying into it

Who (or perhaps "what") are "true people"?

Or, did you mean to say "True, people are not buying into it"?

that is why they had to change the name from 'global warming' to 'climate change' when people discovered the planet was not getting warmer.

Most of the folks surrounding you here in this forum have been arguing about global warming for several years. The chestnut you've just pulled out of your ass [GW -> CC] could have easily stayed where it was. Global warming is part of climate change. The increased temperature of the Earth will have other effects besides new readings from our thermometers. The name was not changed and the term "climate change" did not appear because the Earth was not warming. It has been warming pretty consistently since the last real hiatus ended in the early 1970s.

That is how they work they keep changing the name of things to confuse the public, like how they changed Al Qaeda to ISIS, IS and ISIL.

Again, can I ask you your age?

Do you actually believe al Quaeda (note the "al" is not capitalized) and ISIS/IS/ISIL are the same organization? You seem like someone who spends some time in front of their television. Ever watch the network news?

All I am concerned about is the young who have been indoctrinated with this propaganda in the education system, if anyone has children you need to talk to them about it.

I can certainly understand your concern that people might hold mistaken ideas. Lots of them.