Clear Evidence of OCTA Ignorance in Full Flight

[eots]

link please..quotes...anything ?..or just you shiity as I bets and imaginings ?

 

[SFC Ollie]

link please..quotes...anything ?..or just you shiity as I bets and imaginings ?

Thought you would never ask. This could take a while, there are just so many.......

We assembled a team of reporters and researchers, including professional fact checkers and the editors of PM, and methodically analyzed all 16 conspiracy claims. We interviewed scores of engineers, aviation experts, military officials, eyewitnesses and members of the investigative teams who have held the wreckage of the attacks in their own hands. We pored over photography, maps, blueprints, aviation logs and transcripts. In every single instance, we found that the facts used by conspiracy theorists to support their fantasies were mistaken, misunderstood or deliberately falsified.

The 9/11 Lies Are Out There: Editor's Notes - Popular Mechanics



And then there's:


Bill Crowley special agent, FBI

Ron Dokell president, Demolition Consultants

Richard Gazarik staff writer, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp.

Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D.,
ATP, CFI, A&P/IA president, Hynes Aviation Services; expert, aviation crashes

Ed Jacoby Jr. director,
New York State Emergency Management Office (Ret.); chairman, New York State Disaster Preparedness Commission (Ret.)

Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority

Cindi Lash staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Matthew McCormick manager, survival factors division, National Transportation Safety Board (Ret.)

Wallace Miller coroner, Somerset County, PA

Robert Nagan meteorological technician, Climate Services Branch, National Climatic Data Center

Dave Newell director, aviation and travel, VF Corp.

James O’Toole politics editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Pennsylvania State Police Public Information Office

Jeff Pillets senior writer,
The Record, Hackensack, NJ

Jeff Rienbold director, Flight 93 National Memorial, National Park Service

Dennis Roddy staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Master Sgt. David Somdahl public affairs officer,
119th Wing, North Dakota
Air National Guard

Mark Stahl photographer; eyewitness, United Airlines Flight 93 crash scene

Air Defense
Lt. Col. Skip Aldous (Ret.) squadron commander,
U.S. Air Force

Tech. Sgt. Laura Bosco public affairs officer,
Tyndall Air Force Base

Boston Center regional air traffic control

Laura Brown spokeswoman,
Federal Aviation Administration

Todd Curtis, Ph.D. founder, Airsafe.com; president, Airsafe.com Foundation

Keith Halloway public affairs officer, National Transportation Safety Board

Ted Lopatkiewicz director, public affairs, National Transportation Safety Board

Maj. Douglas Martin public affairs officer,
North American Aerospace Defense Command

Lt. Herbert McConnell public affairs officer,
Andrews AFB

Michael Perini public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command

John Pike director, GlobalSecurity.org

Hank Price spokesman, Federal
Aviation Administration

Warren Robak RAND Corp.

Bill Shumann spokesman,
Federal Aviation Administration

Louis Walsh public affairs officer, Eglin AFB

Chris Yates aviation security editor, analyst, Jane’s Transport

Aviation
Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B., S.M. professor of aeronautics, California Institute of Technology

Clint Oster professor of public and environmental affairs, Indiana University; aviation safety expert

Capt. Bill Scott (Ret. USAF) Rocky Mountain bureau chief, Aviation Week


Bill Uher News Media Office, NASA Langley Research Center

Col. Ed Walby (Ret. USAF)
director, business development, HALE Systems Enterprise, Unmanned Systems, Northrop Grumman

Image Analysis
William F. Baker member, FEMA Probe Team; partner, Skidmore, Owings, Merrill

W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. senior vice president, CTL Group; director,
FEMA Probe Team

Bill Daly senior vice president, Control Risks Group

Steve Douglass image analysis consultant, Aviation Week

Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D. founder, TREC; video forensics expert.

Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. professor of geology, Arizona State University

Rob Howard freelance photographer; WTC eyewitness

Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. professor of geophysics,
University of California, San Diego

Structural Engineering / Building Collapse
Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D. senior engineer, American Institute of Steel Construction

David Biggs, P.E. structural engineer, Ryan-Biggs Associates; member, ASCE team for FEMA report

Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd.

Glenn Corbett technical editor, Fire Engineering; member, NIST advisory committee

Vincent Dunn deputy fire chief (Ret.), FDNY; author, The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety

John Fisher, Ph.D. professor of civil engineering, Lehigh University; professor emeritus, Center for Advanced Technology; member, FEMA Probe Team

Ken Hays executive vice president, Masonry Arts

Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D. professor of computer science, Purdue University; project director, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E.
CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response

Won-Young Kim, Ph.D. seismologist, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University

William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA

John Labriola freelance photographer, WTC survivor

Arthur Lerner-Lam, Ph.D. seismologist; director,
Earth Institute, Center for Hazards and Risk Research, Columbia University

James Quintiere, Ph.D. professor of engineering, University of Maryland member, NIST advisory committee

Steve Riskus freelance photographer; eyewitness, Pentagon crash

Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology

Christine Shaffer spokesperson, Viracon

Mete Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University; member, Pentagon Building Performance Report; project conception, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Shyam Sunder, Sc.D.
acting deputy director, lead investigator, Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of Standards and Technology

Mary Tobin science writer, media relations, Earth Institute, Columbia University

Forman Williams, Ph.D. professor of engineering, physics, combustion, University of California,
San Diego; member, advisory committee, National Institute of Standards and Technology



How many more you want?

 

[CurveLight]

Eight years of futility? What a clueless jackass. The "point" is most OCTAs
don't know shit about that day and you all keep proving it over and over. You guys make claims and when you are shown they are wrong you ignore it, say it doesn't matter, or find a new false claim to replace the old. I will self administer a gag order versus wasting my time with liars and/or those who are not sincere. Call it what you want, doesn't matter to me.

Poor Curvelight..


By all measurable yardsticks, the "movement" is a total disaster. Lets look at it:

Where are the admissions of guilt by those the "movement" routinely implicates?
There aren't any.

Where are the court cases based on evidence or based on the so-called expert testimonies? There aren't any.

Where are the candidates running for office on a platform that fully holds your whackjob camp's views? There are few if any.

Where is, by the way, any consensus about what you whackos beleive happened on 9/11/01; you punks are all over the map? There isn't any consensus.

By any and all measurable goals, by any yardstick, the "movement" is a total failure. Which goes hand in hand with most, if not all, of the so-called leaders of the "movement" who are deposed morons who are out of work or are widely regarded as crackposts (aka total failures).

As for being shown we are "wrong", the next time you do it will be the first time you do it.
A few threads ago, you kept harping on a phone call that lasted for something like zero minutes or something like that. Your proof, one select piece of evidence showing a single call that didn't go through.

Did you read the actual transcript of the ZM trial? That may shed some light on the topic.

Anyway, here is a real-life FBI report:

http://www.911myths.com/images/7/78/FBI_compilation_re_Flight_77_calls.pdf

detailing the calls to Mr. Olson.

In the "mortal kombat" mode of things: CC WINZ!

Candy I posted this FBI report several days ago, before I placed Curvelight on Ignore. I'm sure he /she/it is much to dense to understand it. But you can keep trying.

That is a GREAT example of how OCTAs
practice dishonesty and hypocrisy on regular basis. The dumbasses choose to point the loose change version of a pro-OCTA site while simultaneously ignoring FBI evidence used in a Federal trial that convicted a terrorist. This is what it boils down to:

1. Olson claimed he received (at least) two phone calls from his wife via her cell phone and she informed him about the hijacking. He later changes it to saying it was an air phone. The major fuck up isn't changing how she called. He didn't answer the phone as it was someone else who fielded the calls and transferred them to him. How would he possibly know what type of phone she used?

2. The FBI proved at ZM's trial there was no evidence olson spoke with his wife. (FBI exhibit P200054)

3. OCTA's ignore that fact. They choose to use bullshit guessing when an unquestionable fact is bitch slapping their mouths shut.

Let's look at some more entertaining shit. Look how the hack OCTA site lies to make the OCT appear stronger than it is:

"Olson doesn't know if the calls were made from her cell phone or the telephone on the plane."

There are a ton of records showing Ted claimed it was her cell or air phone but that hack site lies and says he doesn't know. Fucking hypocrites.

 

[eots]

oh fuck of with your popular mechanics LIL OLLIE ...lol..there is no quotes from these people and no clear indication of their contribution to the story ..you even have James Quintiere, Ph.D. of NIST who called for a Re-investigation ..called the results questionable...encouraged his peers to be conspiracy theorist..complained the investigation was blocked..and fact finding deterred... what fraud you are

 

[SFC Ollie]

oh fuck of with your popular mechanics LIL OLLIE ...lol..there is no quotes from these people and no clear indication of their contribution to the story ..you even have James Quintiere, Ph.D. of NIST who called for a Re-investigation ..called the results questionable...encouraged his peers to be conspiracy theorist..complained the investigation was blocked..and fact finding deterred... what fraud you are

Ah you don't like popular Mechanics and the list of people they interviewed to come up with their debunking of you...Surprise surprise. You know what all these people said because Popular Mechanics printed it. DO you really want more people who debunked your BS?

February, 2009. Hi there. The 9/11 "truth" movement has dried up and blown away, having achieved none of its stated objectives or even bothering to get a single significant claim correct. See the "What's New" section below to get an idea of the type of people who still cling to kooky 9/11 delusions. I've only spent a few hours updating this site since early 2008, and won't be updating it in the future unless big news arises. I have several hundred links that I could add to the several thousand here, but enough is enough.

Mark Roberts

Asbestos and Collapse Warnings well before 9/11 Levine's warning In the years afterward, the man who had invented the original wet-asbestos spray fireproofing process, the late Herbert Levine, often voiced a warning. “If a fire breaks out above the 64th floor, that building will fall down,” he frequently said, according to his lawyer and other professionals who knew him.

http://www.jod911.com/sounds.pdf

How many you want? There are thousands....

 

[eots]

you provide two quites one of total hearsay ..the other...who the fuck is mark roberts ??
and an examination of James Quintiere, statements show he completely disagrees with popular mechanics even yet he is listed...it is a joke ollie

 

[eots]

link please..quotes...anything ?..or just you shiity as I bets and imaginings ?

Thought you would never ask. This could take a while, there are just so many.......

We assembled a team of reporters and researchers, including professional fact checkers and the editors of PM, and methodically analyzed all 16 conspiracy claims. We interviewed scores of engineers, aviation experts, military officials, eyewitnesses and members of the investigative teams who have held the wreckage of the attacks in their own hands. We pored over photography, maps, blueprints, aviation logs and transcripts. In every single instance, we found that the facts used by conspiracy theorists to support their fantasies were mistaken, misunderstood or deliberately falsified.

The 9/11 Lies Are Out There: Editor's Notes - Popular Mechanics



And then there's:


Bill Crowley special agent, FBI

Ron Dokell president, Demolition Consultants

Richard Gazarik staff writer, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp.

Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D.,
ATP, CFI, A&P/IA president, Hynes Aviation Services; expert, aviation crashes

Ed Jacoby Jr. director,
New York State Emergency Management Office (Ret.); chairman, New York State Disaster Preparedness Commission (Ret.)

Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority

Cindi Lash staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Matthew McCormick manager, survival factors division, National Transportation Safety Board (Ret.)

Wallace Miller coroner, Somerset County, PA

Robert Nagan meteorological technician, Climate Services Branch, National Climatic Data Center
Dave Newell director, aviation and travel, VF Corp.

James O’Toole politics editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Pennsylvania State Police Public Information Office

Jeff Pillets senior writer,
The Record, Hackensack, NJ

Jeff Rienbold director, Flight 93 National Memorial, National Park Service

Dennis Roddy staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Master Sgt. David Somdahl public affairs officer,
119th Wing, North Dakota
Air National Guard

Mark Stahl photographer; eyewitness, United Airlines Flight 93 crash scene

Air Defense
Lt. Col. Skip Aldous (Ret.) squadron commander,
U.S. Air Force

Tech. Sgt. Laura Bosco public affairs officer,
Tyndall Air Force Base

Boston Center regional air traffic control

Laura Brown spokeswoman,
Federal Aviation Administration

Todd Curtis, Ph.D. founder, Airsafe.com; president, Airsafe.com Foundation

Keith Halloway public affairs officer, National Transportation Safety Board

Ted Lopatkiewicz director, public affairs, National Transportation Safety Board

Maj. Douglas Martin public affairs officer,
North American Aerospace Defense Command

Lt. Herbert McConnell public affairs officer,
Andrews AFB

Michael Perini public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command

John Pike director, GlobalSecurity.org

Hank Price spokesman, Federal
Aviation Administration

Warren Robak RAND Corp.

Bill Shumann spokesman,
Federal Aviation Administration

Louis Walsh public affairs officer, Eglin AFB

Chris Yates aviation security editor, analyst, Jane’s Transport

Aviation
Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B., S.M. professor of aeronautics, California Institute of Technology

Clint Oster professor of public and environmental affairs, Indiana University; aviation safety expert

Capt. Bill Scott (Ret. USAF) Rocky Mountain bureau chief, Aviation Week

Bill Uher News Media Office, NASA Langley Research Center

Col. Ed Walby (Ret. USAF)
director, business development, HALE Systems Enterprise, Unmanned Systems, Northrop Grumman

Image Analysis
William F. Baker member, FEMA Probe Team; partner, Skidmore, Owings, Merrill

W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. senior vice president, CTL Group; director,
FEMA Probe Team

Bill Daly senior vice president, Control Risks Group

Steve Douglass image analysis consultant, Aviation Week

Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D. founder, TREC; video forensics expert.

Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. professor of geology, Arizona State University

Rob Howard freelance photographer; WTC eyewitness

Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. professor of geophysics,
University of California, San Diego

Structural Engineering / Building Collapse
Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D. senior engineer, American Institute of Steel Construction

David Biggs, P.E. structural engineer, Ryan-Biggs Associates; member, ASCE team for FEMA report

Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd.

Glenn Corbett technical editor, Fire Engineering; member, NIST advisory committee

Vincent Dunn deputy fire chief (Ret.), FDNY; author, The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety

John Fisher, Ph.D. professor of civil engineering, Lehigh University; professor emeritus, Center for Advanced Technology; member, FEMA Probe Team

Ken Hays executive vice president, Masonry Arts

Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D. professor of computer science, Purdue University; project director, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E.
CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response

Won-Young Kim, Ph.D. seismologist, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University

William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA

John Labriola freelance photographer, WTC survivor

Arthur Lerner-Lam, Ph.D. seismologist; director,
Earth Institute, Center for Hazards and Risk Research, Columbia University

James Quintiere, Ph.D. professor of engineering, University of Maryland member, NIST advisory committee

Steve Riskus freelance photographer; eyewitness, Pentagon crash

Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology

Christine Shaffer spokesperson, Viracon

Mete Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University; member, Pentagon Building Performance Report; project conception, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Shyam Sunder, Sc.D.
acting deputy director, lead investigator, Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of Standards and Technology

Mary Tobin science writer, media relations, Earth Institute, Columbia University

Forman Williams, Ph.D. professor of engineering, physics, combustion, University of California,
San Diego; member, advisory committee, National Institute of Standards and Technology



How many more you want?

so basically the interviewed a bunch of journalist and public relations people and a few undisguised military personal...wow now that some investigative journalism there..lol...lol...lol...you are indeed a bad joke

 

[Fizz]

That is a GREAT example of how OCTAs
practice dishonesty and hypocrisy on regular basis. The dumbasses choose to point the loose change version of a pro-OCTA site while simultaneously ignoring FBI evidence used in a Federal trial that convicted a terrorist. This is what it boils down to:

1. Olson claimed he received (at least) two phone calls from his wife via her cell phone and she informed him about the hijacking. He later changes it to saying it was an air phone. The major fuck up isn't changing how she called. He didn't answer the phone as it was someone else who fielded the calls and transferred them to him. How would he possibly know what type of phone she used?

stupid minutia. the guys wife was just killed and you are worried about him knowing if it was an airphone or a cell phone.

2. The FBI proved at ZM's trial there was no evidence olson spoke with his wife. (FBI exhibit P200054)

and you have no evidence they didnt speak.

3. OCTA's ignore that fact. They choose to use bullshit guessing when an unquestionable fact is bitch slapping their mouths shut.

talk about bullshitting... why dont you tell us again how a flight data recorder cant record more tha n25 hours, you jackass!!

Let's look at some more entertaining shit. Look how the hack OCTA site lies to make the OCT appear stronger than it is:

"Olson doesn't know if the calls were made from her cell phone or the telephone on the plane."

There are a ton of records showing Ted claimed it was her cell or air phone but that hack site lies and says he doesn't know. Fucking hypocrites.

why is it so important? there are airphone records that calls were made but they dont know who made them. whats the big deal? you trying to prove the calls never happened is just about the most ridiculous thing i have seen so far (and you have made some pretty ridiculous statements)

 

[SFC Ollie]

you provide two quites one of total hearsay ..the other...who the fuck is mark roberts ??
and an examination of James Quintiere, statements show he completely disagrees with popular mechanics even yet he is listed...it is a joke ollie

Ah so you've never heard of Mark Roberts, that is interesting.

Your Alex Jones has called the man an absolute Demon. I wonder why he would say that?

 

[candycorn]

I stopped reading after the first question. You set up a ridiculous strawman and try to use that as evidence the Truth movement is a waste? Guess to cowards like you who don't understand the concept of civic duty it would seem like a waste.

Either you produce results or you're a failure.
You have produced zero results.
You are, there fore, a failure.
Sorry

Hahahaha! Arrogant fucks like you actually think you have done anything?

Well, we all know YOU haven't so you have zero room to talk...

Or is there some sort of court case on 9/11 somewhere that I don't know about?

 

[eots]

you provide two quites one of total hearsay ..the other...who the fuck is mark roberts ??
and an examination of James Quintiere, statements show he completely disagrees with popular mechanics even yet he is listed...it is a joke ollie

Ah so you've never heard of Mark Roberts, that is interesting.

Your Alex Jones has called the man an absolute Demon. I wonder why he would say that?

probably because its true ..judging from his quote he is some popular mechanics sci fi writer or debunker front man ...but you did not address the issue did you Ollie.. you provided me with a bogus list of names of mostly PR people and magazine writers and of the few experts listed we know at least one has called for a new investigation..then when asked for quotes you provided some he said she said story from some guy with no listed credentials or name and who's statement is contradictory to the findings of NIST and then some guy with a name but still no credentials listed giving his shitty ass editorial of opinion those that question 9/11...who do you think you are fooling...yourself...mabey

 

[CurveLight]

That is a GREAT example of how OCTAs
practice dishonesty and hypocrisy on regular basis. The dumbasses choose to point the loose change version of a pro-OCTA site while simultaneously ignoring FBI evidence used in a Federal trial that convicted a terrorist. This is what it boils down to:

1. Olson claimed he received (at least) two phone calls from his wife via her cell phone and she informed him about the hijacking. He later changes it to saying it was an air phone. The major fuck up isn't changing how she called. He didn't answer the phone as it was someone else who fielded the calls and transferred them to him. How would he possibly know what type of phone she used?

stupid minutia. the guys wife was just killed and you are worried about him knowing if it was an airphone or a cell phone.

2. The FBI proved at ZM's trial there was no evidence olson spoke with his wife. (FBI exhibit P200054)

and you have no evidence they didnt speak.

3. OCTA's ignore that fact. They choose to use bullshit guessing when an unquestionable fact is bitch slapping their mouths shut.

talk about bullshitting... why dont you tell us again how a flight data recorder cant record more tha n25 hours, you jackass!!

Let's look at some more entertaining shit. Look how the hack OCTA site lies to make the OCT appear stronger than it is:

"Olson doesn't know if the calls were made from her cell phone or the telephone on the plane."

There are a ton of records showing Ted claimed it was her cell or air phone but that hack site lies and says he doesn't know. Fucking hypocrites.

why is it so important? there are airphone records that calls were made but they dont know who made them. whats the big deal? you trying to prove the calls never happened is just about the most ridiculous thing i have seen so far (and you have made some pretty ridiculous statements)

You can't stop lying can you? You just keep repeating lies over and over because you know your OCTA buddies will never call you out because none of you have a single ounce of honesty. I've never said FDRs can NEVER record more than 25 hours and you know that. Lie some more you absolute worthless little ****.


Look how you fucking dance! I point out that pro-OCTA site flat out lies and you ignore it! That site claims Ted never stated he said his wife called via cell and airphone and you ignore that lie? (MAKES PERFEECT SENSE! YOU LIE EVERY TIME YOU CAN'T DEFEND A CLAIM TOO!). Have you ever complained about links from prison planet or any other truther site? Fucking. Hypocrite.


Good job on once again ignoring the fact the FBI provided evidence there was no call between Barb and Ted! You are so fucking stupid you respond to that by bringing up the FDR? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!


You guys are some of the biggest worthless pieces of shit lying ***** I've ever seen gathered in one spot. Why do you even discuss 9E? You don't give a fuck about those who died and lost loved ones. You don't give a fuck how many more have been needlessly killed since then. You hate the victims families because they are the source of the Truther Movement but you don't have the balls to admit. You hate america because you would prefer living in a nation where questioning the government could get you jailed. Now go on and tell some more lies because that is all you are capable of doing. For Christmas maybe you could go to the ground zero memorial and piss all over it. Naw, you don't have the balls to say what you believe outside the internet. Lazy ****.

 

[CurveLight]

Either you produce results or you're a failure.
You have produced zero results.
You are, there fore, a failure.
Sorry

Hahahaha! Arrogant fucks like you actually think you have done anything?

Well, we all know YOU haven't so you have zero room to talk...

Or is there some sort of court case on 9/11 somewhere that I don't know about?

Here's another great example of the strawman move complete with total hypocrisy and complete ignorance.

Strawman:
You claim the lack of a case on 9/11 is proof the OCT is true.

Hypocrisy:
The OCT has never been proven.

Ignorance:
There are several court cases under FOIA to get information the government has systematically tried to keep secret.

 

[candycorn]

Hahahaha! Arrogant fucks like you actually think you have done anything?

Well, we all know YOU haven't so you have zero room to talk...

Or is there some sort of court case on 9/11 somewhere that I don't know about?

Here's another great example of the strawman move complete with total hypocrisy and complete ignorance.

Strawman:
You claim the lack of a case on 9/11 is proof the OCT is true.

Hypocrisy:
The OCT has never been proven.

Ignorance:
There are several court cases under FOIA to get information the government has systematically tried to keep secret.

Oh really, several court cases to get information. Wow...8 years and you're still doing the FOIA routine. And when they turn up zilch...then what?

The 9/11 Commission Report is 100% accurate on the major points. Sorry. You lose again.

By the way, the lack of any movement from the "movement" isn't, in fact, proof that the 9/11 Commission Report is true. it is, in fact, proof that the 9/11 Commission Report is the only comprehensive analysis of the events of that morning that has been put fourth that makes any sense whatsoever.

I have asked you and every one of you conspiracy whackjobs to provide a second draft of history. All of you have ran from the question like the little pussies that you are. If you have a companion piece, please bring it forward.

Because everytime you start a thread that goes nowhere; you look just a bit more pathetic. Yeah, I know, you don't care how stupid you look you're doing a public service, blah blah blah....

Results matter. You have no results, so you are a failure by any yardstick.

 

[Fizz]

You can't stop lying can you? You just keep repeating lies over and over because you know your OCTA buddies will never call you out because none of you have a single ounce of honesty. I've never said FDRs can NEVER record more than 25 hours and you know that. Lie some more you absolute worthless little ****.

fucking liar. first of all lets make it clear. i am claiming you said the FDR in flight 77 couldnt record more than 25 hours. dont try to fucking change it to all FDRs.

Once 25 hours have been spent the data is looped to always retain the most recent 25 hours.

---------------------------------

Do you see what that says? After 25 hours new data is recorded over older data.....that is the fucking loop.
---------------------------------
Then you keep claiming the door was always shut. The problem with that einstein is it came from the same source where you said it recorded the last 42 hours. I've blown that fucking claim to bits.

blown it out of the water? hmmm.... by claiming that it cant record more than 25 hours!!

fucking jackass!!

Look how you fucking dance! I point out that pro-OCTA site flat out lies and you ignore it! That site claims Ted never stated he said his wife called via cell and airphone and you ignore that lie? (MAKES PERFEECT SENSE! YOU LIE EVERY TIME YOU CAN'T DEFEND A CLAIM TOO!). Have you ever complained about links from prison planet or any other truther site? Fucking. Hypocrite.


Good job on once again ignoring the fact the FBI provided evidence there was no call between Barb and Ted! You are so fucking stupid you respond to that by bringing up the FDR? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

you stupid fuck!! the FBI provided evidence there was no call between barb and ted? where the fuck is this? they did say they couldnt confim it but only a stupid fuck would claim that is evidence they didnt talk.

You guys are some of the biggest worthless pieces of shit lying ***** I've ever seen gathered in one spot. Why do you even discuss 9E? You don't give a fuck about those who died and lost loved ones. You don't give a fuck how many more have been needlessly killed since then. You hate the victims families because they are the source of the Truther Movement but you don't have the balls to admit. You hate america because you would prefer living in a nation where questioning the government could get you jailed. Now go on and tell some more lies because that is all you are capable of doing. For Christmas maybe you could go to the ground zero memorial and piss all over it. Naw, you don't have the balls to say what you believe outside the internet. Lazy ****.

another worthless rant by some asshole that doesnt know me trying to tell me what i believe.

 

[Fizz]

Ignorance:
There are several court cases under FOIA to get information the government has systematically tried to keep secret.

holy fuck!!

you mean that the after all this time you still dont have any information at all to file any lawsuit at all other than to ask for more information?

 

[SFC Ollie]

you provide two quites one of total hearsay ..the other...who the fuck is mark roberts ??
and an examination of James Quintiere, statements show he completely disagrees with popular mechanics even yet he is listed...it is a joke ollie

Ah so you've never heard of Mark Roberts, that is interesting.

Your Alex Jones has called the man an absolute Demon. I wonder why he would say that?

probably because its true ..judging from his quote he is some popular mechanics sci fi writer or debunker front man ...but you did not address the issue did you Ollie.. you provided me with a bogus list of names of mostly PR people and magazine writers and of the few experts listed we know at least one has called for a new investigation..then when asked for quotes you provided some he said she said story from some guy with no listed credentials or name and who's statement is contradictory to the findings of NIST and then some guy with a name but still no credentials listed giving his shitty ass editorial of opinion those that question 9/11...who do you think you are fooling...yourself...mabey

Allow me to remind you that calling for a new investigation does not mean that one believes there was some grand conspiracy and cover up. It means that there are some unanswered questions. It is not my fault that you cannot understand that. And that you do not know even the name of Mark Roberts tells me that you have never studied the other side of the coin. I could actually argue your side better than you do. I have studied it and have found that it is Bull Shit. But I have studied it. You have not looked at anything other than your conspiracy. You've proved it. So when you get up to speed on the entire subject let me know. And while you are doing that, you will find the thousands of engineers, Military, Professors, Fire specialists, scientists, and any other career you want to include who will be saying that there were no preplanted explosives and that flight 77 did hit the pentagon and flight 93 did crash in Shanksville PA. Enjoy the studying, shouldn't take you more than 6 months or so to get caught up.

 

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this mark Robert fucks characterization of those that question was enough to know on study of this clot was warranted and still you have failed to supply any valid nams or statements and instead have created a distraction...whoever the fuck mark Roberts is he plays no important role in determining the facts of 9/11 and Ollie except for setting up a signal tower I doubt there is much you can do better than I ...SO DONT PRETEND

 

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this mark Robert fucks characterization of those that question was enough to know on study of this clot was warranted and still you have failed to supply any valid nams or statements and instead have created a distraction...whoever the fuck mark Roberts is he plays no important role in determining the facts of 9/11 and Ollie except for setting up a signal tower I doubt there is much you can do better than I ...SO DONT PRETEND

I'm better than you are......LOL what a joke.

I do not pretend dipshit. I have studied your side, I actually have watched your videos and read your links. I have researched the people you quote to see who they are and where they are coming from. You have not done this. You take any conspiracy at their word. You have proved this time and again. You want a list of people who do not believe your stories, yet you reject Popular Mechanics offhand. One of the top names in science in the country is not good enough for you. Yet you do not even know the name of one of the top debunkers in the country whom your own Alex Jones demonized because of his work on 911 theories. Perhaps I should just stick to his debunking since it bugged Jones so much.

By the way have you ever spent the three hours to watch Screw Loose Change? I have.

 

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screw loose change is as big a joke as you 5..6 ..7 critical points will go by not debunked then he will interject his debunking which amounts to a unfounded opinion or with information directly in contradiction with NIST ..I challenged to present a comparable list of real experts and there statement that the NIST AND 9/11 COMMISON REPORTS were factual and you completely failed and offered up popular mechanics and screw loose change...LOL...LOSER and nowhere ever did you present one of the top names in science...stop pretending