Clear Evidence of OCTA Ignorance in Full Flight

[candycorn]

If you have to ask you don't pay attention. If you've been giving it earnest attention and still have to ask, well......what's the point?

I just love you guys. Okay if you no longer wish to discuss it; thats fine. Nothing makes me happier when a twoofer administers a self-inflicted gag order.

No wonder its been 8 years of futility for you and your troupe of idiots.

Eight years of futility? What a clueless jackass. The "point" is most OCTAs
don't know shit about that day and you all keep proving it over and over. You guys make claims and when you are shown they are wrong you ignore it, say it doesn't matter, or find a new false claim to replace the old. I will self administer a gag order versus wasting my time with liars and/or those who are not sincere. Call it what you want, doesn't matter to me.

Poor Curvelight..


By all measurable yardsticks, the "movement" is a total disaster. Lets look at it:

Where are the admissions of guilt by those the "movement" routinely implicates?
There aren't any.

Where are the court cases based on evidence or based on the so-called expert testimonies? There aren't any.

Where are the candidates running for office on a platform that fully holds your whackjob camp's views? There are few if any.

Where is, by the way, any consensus about what you whackos beleive happened on 9/11/01; you punks are all over the map? There isn't any consensus.

By any and all measurable goals, by any yardstick, the "movement" is a total failure. Which goes hand in hand with most, if not all, of the so-called leaders of the "movement" who are deposed morons who are out of work or are widely regarded as crackposts (aka total failures).

As for being shown we are "wrong", the next time you do it will be the first time you do it.
A few threads ago, you kept harping on a phone call that lasted for something like zero minutes or something like that. Your proof, one select piece of evidence showing a single call that didn't go through.

Did you read the actual transcript of the ZM trial? That may shed some light on the topic.

Anyway, here is a real-life FBI report:

http://www.911myths.com/images/7/78/FBI_compilation_re_Flight_77_calls.pdf

detailing the calls to Mr. Olson.

In the "mortal kombat" mode of things: CC WINZ!

 

[CurveLight]

I see you are still being a complete lying sack of shit imbecile.

True to form, albeit your "form" blows.

The phrase "on holiday" for "vacation" is simply not an American idiomatic expression, so the fact that it is "used" in a purported PENTAGON "proposal" is abolutely a basis to question the document's validity (since it remains quite unlikely that the Pentagon, in the early '60's, was in the habit of having Brits draft their covert operations proposals).

And yet, that phrase WAS in the Op. Northwoods "proposal." So the prospect that it may have been planted is raised. YOU (of all fucking people) finding anything like that "far fetched" is extraordinarily funny. YOU are one of the worst offenders in the realm of lunatic and baseless conpiracy shit! You remain a classic fucktard hypocrite.

Moreover, you jerkoff, I don't give a shit WHO first noticed that odd "on a holiday" phrase in the Op. Northwoods document. I don't care if she's off the deep end (like you) but just swimming in another weird conspiracy pool. It is still quite funny to see you writing about a loopey conspiracy theory when YOU are one of the worst offenders of such shit on the entire USMB!

Lol! All the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed and approved Northwoods and you want to claim "off on a holiday" was reason enough to claim it was fake and bullshit? Rotfl.

Also, please show where I have claimed a conspiracy theory? Just give the link or post number and thread. I know I haven't so when you get pwned you simply lie like the dumb coward you are.

Hey moron, did it occur to you that IF the document is actually a fake that all of those purported signatures of the Joint Chiefs would also be fakes?

And the conspiracy theory you are still supporting, you cowardly dickless snivelling weasel cockgobbler, is the one that holds that the 9/11/2001 atrocities may not have been committed by the Islamofilth at all.

You can pretend all you want (not that you have any capacity to be even marginally convincing) that all YOU are doing is "just asking questions," but everybody who bothers to read this imbecile thread knows what you are actually saying, you lying fuck.

I'll let you know if I ever get pwnd. It sure as hell won't be by a self-congratulatory lying dumbfuck like you, ya filthy dickless scumbag.

So you can't show anywhere that I have claimed a conspiracy theory but to you (and a few others) it doesn't matter because you don't arrive at conclusions based on facts. You do it based on what you believe versus anything else. Good job! That is exactly the same pattern on display with the OCT. You believe the Bush Admin because it is what you WANT to believe and no matter how many facts cast doubt it doesn't matter.


What kind of a fucking jackass ignores all of the ON documents based on one fucking phrase? Don't you OCTAs
bitch and whine that truthers ignore everything based on one detail? And remind us all.....are there any cultural and linguistic connections between Britain and the US? Jackasses like you want to pretend the comparison is akin to Filipino versus Australian.

 

[Liability]

* * * *

So you can't show anywhere that I have claimed a conspiracy theory * * * *

I decline all invitations from crackpot frauds and liars such as you to go in "search of" your previously expressed drivel.

But, on the bright side, you have a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY here and now to STOP being so ploddingly evasive.

Just tell us in a couple of simple direct sentences: (1) Do you or do you not believe that the 9/11/2001 atrocities were caused by the Islamo-terrorists (al qaeda) who had previously declared war on us?

(2) Do you or do you not believe that it was, in ANY way, a false flag operation; and that it was, rather than being the work of al qaeda filth, the work of agents of our own government?

 

[CurveLight]

I just love you guys. Okay if you no longer wish to discuss it; thats fine. Nothing makes me happier when a twoofer administers a self-inflicted gag order.

No wonder its been 8 years of futility for you and your troupe of idiots.

Eight years of futility? What a clueless jackass. The "point" is most OCTAs
don't know shit about that day and you all keep proving it over and over. You guys make claims and when you are shown they are wrong you ignore it, say it doesn't matter, or find a new false claim to replace the old. I will self administer a gag order versus wasting my time with liars and/or those who are not sincere. Call it what you want, doesn't matter to me.

Poor Curvelight..


By all measurable yardsticks, the "movement" is a total disaster. Lets look at it:

Where are the admissions of guilt by those the "movement" routinely implicates?
There aren't any.

Where are the court cases based on evidence or based on the so-called expert testimonies? There aren't any.

Where are the candidates running for office on a platform that fully holds your whackjob camp's views? There are few if any.

Where is, by the way, any consensus about what you whackos beleive happened on 9/11/01; you punks are all over the map? There isn't any consensus.

By any and all measurable goals, by any yardstick, the "movement" is a total failure. Which goes hand in hand with most, if not all, of the so-called leaders of the "movement" who are deposed morons who are out of work or are widely regarded as crackposts (aka total failures).

As for being shown we are "wrong", the next time you do it will be the first time you do it.
A few threads ago, you kept harping on a phone call that lasted for something like zero minutes or something like that. Your proof, one select piece of evidence showing a single call that didn't go through.

Did you read the actual transcript of the ZM trial? That may shed some light on the topic.

Anyway, here is a real-life FBI report:

http://www.911myths.com/images/7/78/FBI_compilation_re_Flight_77_calls.pdf

detailing the calls to Mr. Olson.

In the "mortal kombat" mode of things: CC WINZ!

I stopped reading after the first question. You set up a ridiculous strawman and try to use that as evidence the Truth movement is a waste? Guess to cowards like you who don't understand the concept of civic duty it would seem like a waste.

 

[CurveLight]

* * * *

so you can't show anywhere that i have claimed a conspiracy theory * * * *

i decline all invitations from crackpot frauds and liars such as you to go in "search of" your previously expressed drivel.

But, on the bright side, you have a golden opportunity here and now to stop being so ploddingly evasive.

Just tell us in a couple of simple direct sentences: (1) do you or do you not believe that the 9/11/2001 atrocities were caused by the islamo-terrorists (al qaeda) who had previously declared war on us?

(2) do you or do you not believe that it was, in any way, a false flag operation; and that it was, rather than being the work of al qaeda filth, the work of agents of our own government?

i don't care what worthless ***** think about me.

 

[Fizz]

i don't care what worthless ***** think about me.

please leave your ancestors out of the conversation.

 

[Fizz]

I stopped reading after the first question.

you stopped comprehending several months prior.

 

[Liability]

* * * *

so you can't show anywhere that i have claimed a conspiracy theory * * * *

i decline all invitations from crackpot frauds and liars such as you to go in "search of" your previously expressed drivel.

But, on the bright side, you have a golden opportunity here and now to stop being so ploddingly evasive.

Just tell us in a couple of simple direct sentences: (1) do you or do you not believe that the 9/11/2001 atrocities were caused by the islamo-terrorists (al qaeda) who had previously declared war on us?

(2) do you or do you not believe that it was, in any way, a false flag operation; and that it was, rather than being the work of al qaeda filth, the work of agents of our own government?

i don't care what worthless ***** think about me.

You are a worthless ****, thus you don't care how you are perceived by yourself.

Understood.

Nobody much values anything you have to say anyway. Why should you be any different?



In any event, it was fun to expose you as the pussy you are!

 

[eots]

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC). Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Video interview 9/11 Ripple Effect 8/07: "I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's. And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."




Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – FAA certified commercial pilot. Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career. FAA certified Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic.


Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." http://www.physics911.net


Article 7/17/05: "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 280 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn."…
"For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying." Investigative Journal


Audio Interview 9/16/04: Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon. "The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous...

It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile." Index of /911/underground




Dennis Cimino – Commercial pilot rating for over 25 years. Systems Engineer. Navy Combat Systems Specialist (Radar, ECM, UHF/VHF/HF COMMS., GPS, INS, SATNAV, cryptographic communications). Millimeter wave RADAR and countermeasures expert since 1973. Two patents held for Doppler RADAR. Former Flight Data Recorder Engineer, Smiths Aerospace.

Statement to this website 6/3/07: "I have been a licensed pilot with a commercial rating, multi-engine, IFR, since 1981. Prior to that I served as an Electronic Warfare / Electronic Signals Intelligence (EW ELINT) specialist in the U.S. Navy, with many 'first time' signal intercepts in the national (NSA) sigint database. Since I left the Navy in 1979, I have been heavily involved in DoD weapons system testing and certification. I have held high level clearances most of my career.
There is no doubt in my mind that what transpired on September 11, 2001, was an inside job carried out by members of our own government. Based on my experience as a commercial pilot, I do not believe that it's possible for four large commercial airliners to have gone off course for as long as they did and as far as they did and were not intercepted by Air Force pilots, without the explicit cooperation of highly placed people in the military and government.
I also do not believe that both of the WTC Twin Towers could have been identically pulverized and that both identically collapsed into their own footprints as a result of a single airplane impact and the fire from a few thousand gallons of jet fuel. I also do not believe that WTC Building 7, which wasn't even hit by an airplane, could have entirely collapsed as a result of a few fires, particularly in a manner that is entirely consistent with a controlled demolition. Additionally, the visible evidence at the Pentagon is inconsistent with an impact by a Boeing 757. There was virtually no debris from the 80-ton airplane, except a few small pieces that were picked up by hand. Nor was there any evidence of holes in the building that surely would have resulted from the impacts of the two 6-ton RB-211 engines on the alleged Boeing 757. Similarly, at Shanksville, PA, the small gash in the earth is far too small to have resulted from the impact of a Boeing 757.

All of these factors have convinced me that our government was fully onboard with what took place on 9/11. The official account of 9/11 is absolute B.S. We, as citizens of this great country, need to do research, question the government, and demand a full, impartial investigation to determine what actually took place that day."




Kirk G. Miller, BA, BS IE – Retired commercial airline pilot, Delta Airlines. Aircraft flown: Boeing 727, 737, 757, 767, Lockheed L-1011. Former U.S. Coast Guard pilot. Aircraft flown: Grumman HU-16 Albatross. Professional pilot for 37 years. Former Manufacturing Engineer.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"HIDE Air Traffic Control radar tapes. HIDE major airliner crash reports (NTSB). HIDE NORAD tapes. Give me a break, these guys in power are guilty of high treason. ... " AE911Truth




Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Turbine engineering specialist. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

ya well this fella... liarbilty sez you all is just dickless dicksucking scumbag cockgobbling imbeciles...so considers yer selfs deee-bunked

CHECKMATE BITCHES

 

[candycorn]

Eight years of futility? What a clueless jackass. The "point" is most OCTAs
don't know shit about that day and you all keep proving it over and over. You guys make claims and when you are shown they are wrong you ignore it, say it doesn't matter, or find a new false claim to replace the old. I will self administer a gag order versus wasting my time with liars and/or those who are not sincere. Call it what you want, doesn't matter to me.

Poor Curvelight..


By all measurable yardsticks, the "movement" is a total disaster. Lets look at it:

Where are the admissions of guilt by those the "movement" routinely implicates?
There aren't any.

Where are the court cases based on evidence or based on the so-called expert testimonies? There aren't any.

Where are the candidates running for office on a platform that fully holds your whackjob camp's views? There are few if any.

Where is, by the way, any consensus about what you whackos beleive happened on 9/11/01; you punks are all over the map? There isn't any consensus.

By any and all measurable goals, by any yardstick, the "movement" is a total failure. Which goes hand in hand with most, if not all, of the so-called leaders of the "movement" who are deposed morons who are out of work or are widely regarded as crackposts (aka total failures).

As for being shown we are "wrong", the next time you do it will be the first time you do it.
A few threads ago, you kept harping on a phone call that lasted for something like zero minutes or something like that. Your proof, one select piece of evidence showing a single call that didn't go through.

Did you read the actual transcript of the ZM trial? That may shed some light on the topic.

Anyway, here is a real-life FBI report:

http://www.911myths.com/images/7/78/FBI_compilation_re_Flight_77_calls.pdf

detailing the calls to Mr. Olson.

In the "mortal kombat" mode of things: CC WINZ!

I stopped reading after the first question. You set up a ridiculous strawman and try to use that as evidence the Truth movement is a waste? Guess to cowards like you who don't understand the concept of civic duty it would seem like a waste.

Either you produce results or you're a failure.
You have produced zero results.
You are, there fore, a failure.
Sorry

 

[candycorn]

Lol! All the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed and approved Northwoods and you want to claim "off on a holiday" was reason enough to claim it was fake and bullshit? Rotfl.

Also, please show where I have claimed a conspiracy theory? Just give the link or post number and thread. I know I haven't so when you get pwned you simply lie like the dumb coward you are.

Hey moron, did it occur to you that IF the document is actually a fake that all of those purported signatures of the Joint Chiefs would also be fakes?

And the conspiracy theory you are still supporting, you cowardly dickless snivelling weasel cockgobbler, is the one that holds that the 9/11/2001 atrocities may not have been committed by the Islamofilth at all.

You can pretend all you want (not that you have any capacity to be even marginally convincing) that all YOU are doing is "just asking questions," but everybody who bothers to read this imbecile thread knows what you are actually saying, you lying fuck.

I'll let you know if I ever get pwnd. It sure as hell won't be by a self-congratulatory lying dumbfuck like you, ya filthy dickless scumbag.

So you can't show anywhere that I have claimed a conspiracy theory but to you (and a few others) it doesn't matter because you don't arrive at conclusions based on facts. You do it based on what you believe versus anything else. Good job! That is exactly the same pattern on display with the OCT. You believe the Bush Admin because it is what you WANT to believe and no matter how many facts cast doubt it doesn't matter.


What kind of a fucking jackass ignores all of the ON documents based on one fucking phrase? Don't you OCTAs
bitch and whine that truthers ignore everything based on one detail? And remind us all.....are there any cultural and linguistic connections between Britain and the US? Jackasses like you want to pretend the comparison is akin to Filipino versus Australian.

Not sure what you mean by ON documents.

As for you being a conspiracy whacko; you fit all of the traits:

You won't say what you believe happened; just like those whackos.
You won't point out one thing the 9/11 Commission Report was incorrect about (one major thing anyway).
You won't state what you're point is when you bring up bullshit after bullshit.

So if it looks like a turd and smells like a turd; you're either a conspiracy whacko or eots.

 

[Liability]

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC). Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Video interview 9/11 Ripple Effect 8/07: "I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's. And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."




Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – FAA certified commercial pilot. Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career. FAA certified Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic.


Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." http://www.physics911.net


Article 7/17/05: "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 280 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn."…
"For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying." Investigative Journal


Audio Interview 9/16/04: Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon. "The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous...

It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile." Index of /911/underground




Dennis Cimino – Commercial pilot rating for over 25 years. Systems Engineer. Navy Combat Systems Specialist (Radar, ECM, UHF/VHF/HF COMMS., GPS, INS, SATNAV, cryptographic communications). Millimeter wave RADAR and countermeasures expert since 1973. Two patents held for Doppler RADAR. Former Flight Data Recorder Engineer, Smiths Aerospace.

Statement to this website 6/3/07: "I have been a licensed pilot with a commercial rating, multi-engine, IFR, since 1981. Prior to that I served as an Electronic Warfare / Electronic Signals Intelligence (EW ELINT) specialist in the U.S. Navy, with many 'first time' signal intercepts in the national (NSA) sigint database. Since I left the Navy in 1979, I have been heavily involved in DoD weapons system testing and certification. I have held high level clearances most of my career.
There is no doubt in my mind that what transpired on September 11, 2001, was an inside job carried out by members of our own government. Based on my experience as a commercial pilot, I do not believe that it's possible for four large commercial airliners to have gone off course for as long as they did and as far as they did and were not intercepted by Air Force pilots, without the explicit cooperation of highly placed people in the military and government.
I also do not believe that both of the WTC Twin Towers could have been identically pulverized and that both identically collapsed into their own footprints as a result of a single airplane impact and the fire from a few thousand gallons of jet fuel. I also do not believe that WTC Building 7, which wasn't even hit by an airplane, could have entirely collapsed as a result of a few fires, particularly in a manner that is entirely consistent with a controlled demolition. Additionally, the visible evidence at the Pentagon is inconsistent with an impact by a Boeing 757. There was virtually no debris from the 80-ton airplane, except a few small pieces that were picked up by hand. Nor was there any evidence of holes in the building that surely would have resulted from the impacts of the two 6-ton RB-211 engines on the alleged Boeing 757. Similarly, at Shanksville, PA, the small gash in the earth is far too small to have resulted from the impact of a Boeing 757.

All of these factors have convinced me that our government was fully onboard with what took place on 9/11. The official account of 9/11 is absolute B.S. We, as citizens of this great country, need to do research, question the government, and demand a full, impartial investigation to determine what actually took place that day."




Kirk G. Miller, BA, BS IE – Retired commercial airline pilot, Delta Airlines. Aircraft flown: Boeing 727, 737, 757, 767, Lockheed L-1011. Former U.S. Coast Guard pilot. Aircraft flown: Grumman HU-16 Albatross. Professional pilot for 37 years. Former Manufacturing Engineer.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"HIDE Air Traffic Control radar tapes. HIDE major airliner crash reports (NTSB). HIDE NORAD tapes. Give me a break, these guys in power are guilty of high treason. ... " AE911Truth




Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Turbine engineering specialist. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

* * * *

I took the liberty of snipping that last stupid section of your stupid post.

You ARE a dickless idiot, but that's not the topic here.

Because of the way you compose your unduly verbose posts, it is unlikely that any point you think you might be "making" is coming across.

So, being a helpful friendly compassionate conservative, I shall offer you an assist.

Try breaking your page long stuff down to more readable BRIEF posts.

For example, you appear to think that some of these pilots' quotes add tons of value to your position -- whatever it is. So, why not MAKE a BRIEF coherent declarative sentence of your position and THEN offer the relevant excerpt from one quote of a pilot to "support" your contention?

You can hold off on the unduly lengthy additional quotes for the time being -- keeping them in reserve as it were.

If you try to adhere to this advice, you might have some people actually take the time to wade through whatever it is you wish to post.

No need to thank me.

You're welcome.

 

[Fizz]

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC). Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Video interview 9/11 Ripple Effect 8/07: "I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's. And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."

and they didnt do it successfully either. THEY CRASHED!!!

Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – FAA certified commercial pilot. Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career. FAA certified Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic.


Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." http://www.physics911.net

in all his years of of participation, how many planes crashed into 110 story high towers that subsequently collapsed? i'm kinda guessing NONE.

the black boxes were found from the other two aircraft so they are positively identified.

Article 7/17/05: "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 280 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn."…
"For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying." Investigative Journal

again, he didnt fly like an ace. HE CRASHED!!

Audio Interview 9/16/04: Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon. "The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous...

It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile." Index of /911/underground

anybody that thinks a cruise missile hit the pentagon is a jackass. plain and simple.

Dennis Cimino – Commercial pilot rating for over 25 years. Systems Engineer. Navy Combat Systems Specialist (Radar, ECM, UHF/VHF/HF COMMS., GPS, INS, SATNAV, cryptographic communications). Millimeter wave RADAR and countermeasures expert since 1973. Two patents held for Doppler RADAR. Former Flight Data Recorder Engineer, Smiths Aerospace.

Statement to this website 6/3/07: "I have been a licensed pilot with a commercial rating, multi-engine, IFR, since 1981. Prior to that I served as an Electronic Warfare / Electronic Signals Intelligence (EW ELINT) specialist in the U.S. Navy, with many 'first time' signal intercepts in the national (NSA) sigint database. Since I left the Navy in 1979, I have been heavily involved in DoD weapons system testing and certification. I have held high level clearances most of my career.
There is no doubt in my mind that what transpired on September 11, 2001, was an inside job carried out by members of our own government. Based on my experience as a commercial pilot, I do not believe that it's possible for four large commercial airliners to have gone off course for as long as they did and as far as they did and were not intercepted by Air Force pilots, without the explicit cooperation of highly placed people in the military and government.
I also do not believe that both of the WTC Twin Towers could have been identically pulverized and that both identically collapsed into their own footprints as a result of a single airplane impact and the fire from a few thousand gallons of jet fuel. I also do not believe that WTC Building 7, which wasn't even hit by an airplane, could have entirely collapsed as a result of a few fires, particularly in a manner that is entirely consistent with a controlled demolition. Additionally, the visible evidence at the Pentagon is inconsistent with an impact by a Boeing 757. There was virtually no debris from the 80-ton airplane, except a few small pieces that were picked up by hand. Nor was there any evidence of holes in the building that surely would have resulted from the impacts of the two 6-ton RB-211 engines on the alleged Boeing 757. Similarly, at Shanksville, PA, the small gash in the earth is far too small to have resulted from the impact of a Boeing 757.

All of these factors have convinced me that our government was fully onboard with what took place on 9/11. The official account of 9/11 is absolute B.S. We, as citizens of this great country, need to do research, question the government, and demand a full, impartial investigation to determine what actually took place that day."

a completely misinformed person or a blatant liar. example: all debris at the pentagon could not be picked up by hand.

Kirk G. Miller, BA, BS IE – Retired commercial airline pilot, Delta Airlines. Aircraft flown: Boeing 727, 737, 757, 767, Lockheed L-1011. Former U.S. Coast Guard pilot. Aircraft flown: Grumman HU-16 Albatross. Professional pilot for 37 years. Former Manufacturing Engineer.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"HIDE Air Traffic Control radar tapes. HIDE major airliner crash reports (NTSB). HIDE NORAD tapes. Give me a break, these guys in power are guilty of high treason. ... " AE911Truth

huh? its all available, jackass. its not hidden.

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Turbine engineering specialist. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."

engine parts were found... just like he said they should be. you need to be one of the best pilots in the world to crash an airplane? very interesting comment.

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

ya well this fella... liarbilt..y sez you all is just dickless dicksucking scumbag cockgobbling imbeciles...so considers yer selfs deee-bunked

CHECKMATE BITCHES

get your head out of your ass. this is supposed to be proof of what exactly?

 

[candycorn]

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC). Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Video interview 9/11 Ripple Effect 8/07: "I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's. And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."

and they didnt do it successfully either. THEY CRASHED!!!

Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – FAA certified commercial pilot. Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career. FAA certified Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic.


Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." http://www.physics911.net

in all his years of of participation, how many planes crashed into 110 story high towers that subsequently collapsed? i'm kinda guessing NONE.

the black boxes were found from the other two aircraft so they are positively identified.

again, he didnt fly like an ace. HE CRASHED!!


anybody that thinks a cruise missile hit the pentagon is a jackass. plain and simple.





a completely misinformed person or a blatant liar. example: all debris at the pentagon could not be picked up by hand.




huh? its all available, jackass. its not hidden.

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Turbine engineering specialist. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."

engine parts were found... just like he said they should be. you need to be one of the best pilots in the world to crash an airplane? very interesting comment.

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

ya well this fella... liarbilt..y sez you all is just dickless dicksucking scumbag cockgobbling imbeciles...so considers yer selfs deee-bunked

CHECKMATE BITCHES

get your head out of your ass. this is supposed to be proof of what exactly?

The missile bullshit always fascinates me.

These idiots believe that they hijacked AA11 and crashed it into a building.
These idiots believe that they hijacked UAL175 and crashes it into a building.
But somehow in DC, they used a hijacked plane to shield a missile attack? Oh brother.

Especially when you consider that a bunch of mirauders running around Virginia with a rocket launcher is much more scary than a hijacked plane hitting a building. So why hide it?

Eots=

 

[CurveLight]

Hey moron, did it occur to you that IF the document is actually a fake that all of those purported signatures of the Joint Chiefs would also be fakes?

And the conspiracy theory you are still supporting, you cowardly dickless snivelling weasel cockgobbler, is the one that holds that the 9/11/2001 atrocities may not have been committed by the Islamofilth at all.

You can pretend all you want (not that you have any capacity to be even marginally convincing) that all YOU are doing is "just asking questions," but everybody who bothers to read this imbecile thread knows what you are actually saying, you lying fuck.

I'll let you know if I ever get pwnd. It sure as hell won't be by a self-congratulatory lying dumbfuck like you, ya filthy dickless scumbag.

So you can't show anywhere that I have claimed a conspiracy theory but to you (and a few others) it doesn't matter because you don't arrive at conclusions based on facts. You do it based on what you believe versus anything else. Good job! That is exactly the same pattern on display with the OCT. You believe the Bush Admin because it is what you WANT to believe and no matter how many facts cast doubt it doesn't matter.


What kind of a fucking jackass ignores all of the ON documents based on one fucking phrase? Don't you OCTAs
bitch and whine that truthers ignore everything based on one detail? And remind us all.....are there any cultural and linguistic connections between Britain and the US? Jackasses like you want to pretend the comparison is akin to Filipino versus Australian.

Not sure what you mean by ON documents.

As for you being a conspiracy whacko; you fit all of the traits:

You won't say what you believe happened; just like those whackos.
You won't point out one thing the 9/11 Commission Report was incorrect about (one major thing anyway).
You won't state what you're point is when you bring up bullshit after bullshit.

So if it looks like a turd and smells like a turd; you're either a conspiracy whacko or eots.

When ***** like you start dripping it is best to just walk away.....

 

[CurveLight]

Poor Curvelight..


By all measurable yardsticks, the "movement" is a total disaster. Lets look at it:

Where are the admissions of guilt by those the "movement" routinely implicates?
There aren't any.

Where are the court cases based on evidence or based on the so-called expert testimonies? There aren't any.

Where are the candidates running for office on a platform that fully holds your whackjob camp's views? There are few if any.

Where is, by the way, any consensus about what you whackos beleive happened on 9/11/01; you punks are all over the map? There isn't any consensus.

By any and all measurable goals, by any yardstick, the "movement" is a total failure. Which goes hand in hand with most, if not all, of the so-called leaders of the "movement" who are deposed morons who are out of work or are widely regarded as crackposts (aka total failures).

As for being shown we are "wrong", the next time you do it will be the first time you do it.
A few threads ago, you kept harping on a phone call that lasted for something like zero minutes or something like that. Your proof, one select piece of evidence showing a single call that didn't go through.

Did you read the actual transcript of the ZM trial? That may shed some light on the topic.

Anyway, here is a real-life FBI report:

http://www.911myths.com/images/7/78/FBI_compilation_re_Flight_77_calls.pdf

detailing the calls to Mr. Olson.

In the "mortal kombat" mode of things: CC WINZ!

I stopped reading after the first question. You set up a ridiculous strawman and try to use that as evidence the Truth movement is a waste? Guess to cowards like you who don't understand the concept of civic duty it would seem like a waste.

Either you produce results or you're a failure.
You have produced zero results.
You are, there fore, a failure.
Sorry

Hahahaha! Arrogant fucks like you actually think you have done anything?

 

[SFC Ollie]

I just love you guys. Okay if you no longer wish to discuss it; thats fine. Nothing makes me happier when a twoofer administers a self-inflicted gag order.

No wonder its been 8 years of futility for you and your troupe of idiots.

Eight years of futility? What a clueless jackass. The "point" is most OCTAs
don't know shit about that day and you all keep proving it over and over. You guys make claims and when you are shown they are wrong you ignore it, say it doesn't matter, or find a new false claim to replace the old. I will self administer a gag order versus wasting my time with liars and/or those who are not sincere. Call it what you want, doesn't matter to me.

Poor Curvelight..


By all measurable yardsticks, the "movement" is a total disaster. Lets look at it:

Where are the admissions of guilt by those the "movement" routinely implicates?
There aren't any.

Where are the court cases based on evidence or based on the so-called expert testimonies? There aren't any.

Where are the candidates running for office on a platform that fully holds your whackjob camp's views? There are few if any.

Where is, by the way, any consensus about what you whackos beleive happened on 9/11/01; you punks are all over the map? There isn't any consensus.

By any and all measurable goals, by any yardstick, the "movement" is a total failure. Which goes hand in hand with most, if not all, of the so-called leaders of the "movement" who are deposed morons who are out of work or are widely regarded as crackposts (aka total failures).

As for being shown we are "wrong", the next time you do it will be the first time you do it.
A few threads ago, you kept harping on a phone call that lasted for something like zero minutes or something like that. Your proof, one select piece of evidence showing a single call that didn't go through.

Did you read the actual transcript of the ZM trial? That may shed some light on the topic.

Anyway, here is a real-life FBI report:

http://www.911myths.com/images/7/78/FBI_compilation_re_Flight_77_calls.pdf

detailing the calls to Mr. Olson.

In the "mortal kombat" mode of things: CC WINZ!

Candy I posted this FBI report several days ago, before I placed Curvelight on Ignore. I'm sure he /she/it is much to dense to understand it. But you can keep trying.

 

[candycorn]

So you can't show anywhere that I have claimed a conspiracy theory but to you (and a few others) it doesn't matter because you don't arrive at conclusions based on facts. You do it based on what you believe versus anything else. Good job! That is exactly the same pattern on display with the OCT. You believe the Bush Admin because it is what you WANT to believe and no matter how many facts cast doubt it doesn't matter.


What kind of a fucking jackass ignores all of the ON documents based on one fucking phrase? Don't you OCTAs
bitch and whine that truthers ignore everything based on one detail? And remind us all.....are there any cultural and linguistic connections between Britain and the US? Jackasses like you want to pretend the comparison is akin to Filipino versus Australian.

Not sure what you mean by ON documents.

As for you being a conspiracy whacko; you fit all of the traits:

You won't say what you believe happened; just like those whackos.
You won't point out one thing the 9/11 Commission Report was incorrect about (one major thing anyway).
You won't state what you're point is when you bring up bullshit after bullshit.

So if it looks like a turd and smells like a turd; you're either a conspiracy whacko or eots.

When ***** like you start dripping it is best to just walk away.....

And yet another truther trait...call someone a name and run. Too bad nobody believes you but please....by all means....keep providing your "community service" to the community that doesn't give a shit about you.

PS: And this is for everybody, if you can find a better definition of failure--providing a public service to the public that would just as soon see you eaten alive by a large animal--please provide it.

 

[eots]

Eric A. Newcom – Senior Aerospace Technician, Boeing 22 years. Worked on heads-up advanced displays and holographic testing. Experienced with Grumman F-14 Tomcat fighter, McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle fighter, Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit stealth heavy bomber radar, Saab JAS 39 Gripen fighter heads-up display, and McDonnell Douglas AH-64 Apache attack helicopter photo CVD hot goggle. Also experienced with high reliability titanium spacecraft propellant distribution lines for various spacecraft including NASA Goes and GPS vehicles.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"I personally have researched 9/11 from conception, I lost two very close co-workers on Flight 77 - Pentagon." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 950 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition

well MR KNOW IT ALL fizz SEZ youse just a dickless moron and them there terrorist wernt successful cuz they CRASHED





Louis M. Raskin, BA Env Studies – Retired aerospace engineer involved with satellite and launch vehicle systems working at the systems engineering requirements and design definition levels. 30-year career. U.S. Air Force veteran.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"From the time of the event, I have questioned the collapse WTC-7 and its relationship to WTC-1 & -2. Having witnessed several intentional demolitions of major structures, the similarity to the three WTC buildings coming down was striking.

At the time, I recall the TV reporting by BBC and other networks saying the WTC-7 structure had fallen when it had not, and then captured on video falling 20+ minutes later which conveys the message the event was planned and reported via a news release from a source yet unidentified, to me.

Also, the lateral explosive bursts coming from the descending floors of WTC-1 & -2 are most suspicious as I understand the structures were designed to withstand an impact by a Boeing 707 aircraft. I suspect WTC-7 was the staging center for the persons involved with setting the explosive charges." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 950 Architects and Engineers:

look dummy it aints rocket science they Al Qaedas done it...just ask FIZZ

Brett M. Hoffstadt, BS Aeronautical and Aerospace Eng, MS Aerospace Eng – Aerospace Engineer. Senior Member, American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics. Almost twenty years experience in aerospace engineering.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"WTC 7 had no logical or physical reason to collapse as it did. That event deserves an honest investigation and explanation." AE911Truth


shut up twoofer moron movemnt has acheived nuthin in 8 years
a whore on a messgeboard done told ne so


Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:


"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." AE911Truth


ya right spaceboy..everyone laughs and you and thinks yer mental...yuk yuk..twoofers

he thinks volcanoes done it....lol

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

CHECKMATE BITCHES

 

[SFC Ollie]

Eric A. Newcom – Senior Aerospace Technician, Boeing 22 years. Worked on heads-up advanced displays and holographic testing. Experienced with Grumman F-14 Tomcat fighter, McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle fighter, Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit stealth heavy bomber radar, Saab JAS 39 Gripen fighter heads-up display, and McDonnell Douglas AH-64 Apache attack helicopter photo CVD hot goggle. Also experienced with high reliability titanium spacecraft propellant distribution lines for various spacecraft including NASA Goes and GPS vehicles.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"I personally have researched 9/11 from conception, I lost two very close co-workers on Flight 77 - Pentagon." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 950 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition

well MR KNOW IT ALL fizz SEZ youse just a dickless moron and them there terrorist wernt successful cuz they CRASHED





Louis M. Raskin, BA Env Studies – Retired aerospace engineer involved with satellite and launch vehicle systems working at the systems engineering requirements and design definition levels. 30-year career. U.S. Air Force veteran.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"From the time of the event, I have questioned the collapse WTC-7 and its relationship to WTC-1 & -2. Having witnessed several intentional demolitions of major structures, the similarity to the three WTC buildings coming down was striking.

At the time, I recall the TV reporting by BBC and other networks saying the WTC-7 structure had fallen when it had not, and then captured on video falling 20+ minutes later which conveys the message the event was planned and reported via a news release from a source yet unidentified, to me.

Also, the lateral explosive bursts coming from the descending floors of WTC-1 & -2 are most suspicious as I understand the structures were designed to withstand an impact by a Boeing 707 aircraft. I suspect WTC-7 was the staging center for the persons involved with setting the explosive charges." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 950 Architects and Engineers:

look dummy it aints rocket science they Al Qaedas done it...just ask FIZZ

Brett M. Hoffstadt, BS Aeronautical and Aerospace Eng, MS Aerospace Eng – Aerospace Engineer. Senior Member, American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics. Almost twenty years experience in aerospace engineering.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"WTC 7 had no logical or physical reason to collapse as it did. That event deserves an honest investigation and explanation." AE911Truth


shut up twoofer moron movemnt has acheived nuthin in 8 years
a whore on a messgeboard done told ne so


Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:


"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." AE911Truth


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he thinks volcanoes done it....lol

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

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It really doesn't matter how many of your nutcase friends you quote. As I have explained for every one that you find who believes as you do, there are Hundreds with the same credentials who will say they are a nutcase. But you won't find them saying it because they know it doesn't need said. People know already.