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There appears to be no debating the NIST report even though thousands of highly qualified experts have called it in to serious question and even former NIST head fire investigator has called for a fact drive reinvestigation ..any attempt to do so results in the thread being moved to conspiracy theories where debwunker can post inane insults and loony tunes videos and avoid all facts
dont you think this topic should be able to be discussed based on science and fact in a clean debate or do you agree with George?
For those of us without tinfoil hats, what's the NIST report? If you claim to want to debate something, but post a video, then you're obviously not wanting to debate much of anything so much as pontificate. Debate invovles text, not competing videos.
Director of NIST: Disclosure of WTC7 data "might jeopardize public safety"
http://cryptome.org/nist070709.pdf
FINDING REGARDING PUBLIC SAFETY INFORMATION
Pursuant to Section 7(d) of the National Construction Safety Team Act, I hereby find that the disclosure of the information described below, received by the National Institute of Standards and Technology ("NIST"), in connection with its investigation of the technical causes of the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11,2001, might jeopardize public safety. Therefore, NIST shall not release the following information:
1. All input and results files of the ANSYS 16-story collapse initiation model with detailed connection models that were used to analyze the structural response to thermal loads, break element source code, ANSYS script files for the break elements, custom executable ANSYS file, and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities.
2. All input files with connection material properties and all results files of the LS-DYNA 47-story global collapse model that were used to simulate sequential structural failures leading to collapse, and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities.
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Patrick Gallagher Director National Institute of Standards and Technology
Dated: JUL 09 2009
Director of NIST: Disclosure of WTC7 data "might jeopardize public safety"
http://cryptome.org/nist070709.pdf
FINDING REGARDING PUBLIC SAFETY INFORMATION
Pursuant to Section 7(d) of the National Construction Safety Team Act, I hereby find that the disclosure of the information described below, received by the National Institute of Standards and Technology ("NIST"), in connection with its investigation of the technical causes of the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11,2001, might jeopardize public safety. Therefore, NIST shall not release the following information:
1. All input and results files of the ANSYS 16-story collapse initiation model with detailed connection models that were used to analyze the structural response to thermal loads, break element source code, ANSYS script files for the break elements, custom executable ANSYS file, and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities.
2. All input files with connection material properties and all results files of the LS-DYNA 47-story global collapse model that were used to simulate sequential structural failures leading to collapse, and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities.
~
Patrick Gallagher Director National Institute of Standards and Technology
Dated: JUL 09 2009
Only a silly person believes in a 9/11 conspiracy.
You are the one ignoring reality here - the conspiracy theorists have to ignore what it right in front of them for convoluted theories that make no sense to believe in a 9/11 coverup.Only a silly person believes in a 9/11 conspiracy.
Only stupid people ignore facts of mass murder.
The Structural Core of the Twin Towers was misrepresented to NIST-Obstruction of Justice US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Only a silly person believes in a 9/11 conspiracy.
Only stupid people ignore facts of mass murder.
The Structural Core of the Twin Towers was misrepresented to NIST-Obstruction of Justice US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
I doubt there are such "facts". The human tendency to believe in conspiracies and all kinds of tempting beliefs is strong. We're all subject to sensationalism which feels like protection from the harshness and horror of reality.Only a silly person believes in a 9/11 conspiracy.
Only stupid people ignore facts of mass murder.
The Structural Core of the Twin Towers was misrepresented to NIST-Obstruction of Justice US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
The problem is that people who support the gubmint version frankly have no intelligence experience, are most are functionally illiterate, combined with dangerous opinions being ruled by pure emotion they accepted rhetoric and innuendo as fact to give the gubmint a free pass.
The problem is the gubmint sold them a pile of BS and when people start posting the facts they have no rebuttals. The gubmint as usual left them empty bucket so all they have left to argue with is snarks and name calling like you see here.
The facts prove demolition on so many levels I lost count
Which facts do you mean? My guess is that in answer you'll repeat one conspiracy theory after another as "facts".Only a silly person believes in a 9/11 conspiracy.
Only stupid people ignore facts of mass murder.
The Structural Core of the Twin Towers was misrepresented to NIST-Obstruction of Justice US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
I doubt there are such "facts". The human tendency to believe in conspiracies and all kinds of tempting beliefs is strong. We're all subject to sensationalism which feels like protection from the harshness and horror of reality.Only a silly person believes in a 9/11 conspiracy.
Only stupid people ignore facts of mass murder.
The Structural Core of the Twin Towers was misrepresented to NIST-Obstruction of Justice US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
The problem is that people who support the gubmint version frankly have no intelligence experience, are most are functionally illiterate, combined with dangerous opinions being ruled by pure emotion they accepted rhetoric and innuendo as fact to give the gubmint a free pass.
The problem is the gubmint sold them a pile of BS and when people start posting the facts they have no rebuttals. The gubmint as usual left them empty bucket so all they have left to argue with is snarks and name calling like you see here.
The facts prove demolition on so many levels I lost count
Explain.I doubt there are such "facts". The human tendency to believe in conspiracies and all kinds of tempting beliefs is strong. We're all subject to sensationalism which feels like protection from the harshness and horror of reality.Only a silly person believes in a 9/11 conspiracy.
Only stupid people ignore facts of mass murder.
The Structural Core of the Twin Towers was misrepresented to NIST-Obstruction of Justice US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
The problem is that people who support the gubmint version frankly have no intelligence experience, are most are functionally illiterate, combined with dangerous opinions being ruled by pure emotion they accepted rhetoric and innuendo as fact to give the gubmint a free pass.
The problem is the gubmint sold them a pile of BS and when people start posting the facts they have no rebuttals. The gubmint as usual left them empty bucket so all they have left to argue with is snarks and name calling like you see here.
The facts prove demolition on so many levels I lost count
yes especially when da gubmint says its a conspiracy huh!
