Classical liberalism...Is it what you think it is?

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    Classical liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


     
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    A conservative term to get a buy in on the American Revolution.

    They still feel bad the conservatives of the time where dead set against it.
     
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    Swallow...Locke was around way before America. idiot.
     
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    And you popped out of the womb, gay.

    What the fuck are you such a quifter, boy? Or maybe I am wrong..and you are little girl.

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    When the depression came around, the liberals of today day 'seized the moment' to redefine the purpose of government:
    "and "there emerged the conception of a social welfare state, in which the national government had the express obligation to maintain high levels of employment in the economy, to supervise standards of life and labor, to regulate the methods of business competition, and to establish comprehensive patterns of social security"

    They refused to release the powerful hold they had on government after prosperity returned so that they could continue to "supervise standards of life and labor, to regulate the methods of business competition, and to establish comprehensive patterns of social security". Now we have a welfare state in place that cannot financially sustain itself. Now we have government so closely bound to businiss that they "buy out" corporations when they flounder (GM). The madness is that the government insists that it is proper in driving the economy to its current state and insists on its citizens participation to the point of their own financial doom.

    The current movement of the Tea Party is only a shout to return to classical liberalism which "holds that individual rights are natural, inherent, or inalienable, and exist independently of government".
     
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    Edjax>>>"The current movement of the Tea Party is only a shout to return to classical liberalism which "holds that individual rights are natural, inherent, or inalienable, and exist independently of government".

    Natural and inherent? Did you forget the part that governments are formed to protect these rights? These rights have never existed outside of government protection. They never will.
     
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    The US government owns no shares in GM
     
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    In the current welfare state government refuses to release the powerful hold they had on government after prosperity returned so that they could continue to "....supervise standards of life and labor...."

    This supervision is currently requiring citizens to pay up to 40-45% of their wages in taxes. That means that for the year, 5 to 5.5 months of their efforts are due and payable to to the government so that they can supervise 'those less fortunate' than them and protect large businesses from failure. That is almost 1/2 of the return of their efforts turned over to government use. Now it is being considered to raise the amount of taxation.

    When this happens they are not protecting the right to property or the 'persuit of happiness'; they are abusing the priveledge of taxation and they are telling the citizens that nearly 1/2 of their efforts are not for their own use but for the 'good of the downtrodden'. This is not protection of our rights this is abuse of governmental privilege.
     
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    Now, now....

    You've been schooled on this so many times, but retreat to this bogus default positon.

    Conservatives are the classical liberals.

    Progressive John Dewey, when he saw the disrepute with which progressives were held, had them co-opt the name 'liberals.'

    1. Social liberalism is the belief that liberalism should include social justice. It differs from classical liberalism in that it believes the legitimate role of the state includes addressing economic and social issues such as unemployment, health care, and education while simultaneously expanding civil rights. Under social liberalism, the good of the community is viewed as harmonious with the freedom of the individual.The history of European liberalism (1959), Guido De Ruggiero, pp. 155–157

    2. In 1883, Lester Frank Ward published the two-volume Dynamic Sociology and formalized the basic tenets of social liberalism while at the same time attacking the laissez-faire policies advocated by Herbert Spencer and William Graham Sumner. The historian Henry Steele Commager ranked Ward alongside William James, John Dewey, and Oliver Wendell Holmes and called him the father of the modern welfare state.
    . Writing from 1884 until the 1930s, John Dewey—an educator influenced by Hobhouse, Green, and Ward—advocated socialist methods to achieve liberal goals. Some social liberal ideas were later incorporated into the New Deal.
    Social liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Now, be good and stop fibbing.
     
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    "Natural rights" are a nice rhetorical flourish, but without government they're nothing but a pipe dream. As I've said before,in the natural world, if I'm stronger than you, your only "right" is to sit meekly by while I eat YOUR kill in hopes that I might leave you a few scraps.
     

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