CDZ Civilized Humans ???

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    Your complaints are part of what Marx calls the superstructure. That is our legal structure, our culture, institutions, political processes and such.

    The superstructure is built up out of the base that supports it. The base constitutes our relations in how we as a society organize the production of the things we produce.

    If we want to change the superstructure, evolve as a society, we will need to alter the base which supports us as a society. Or we we can continue our slow drift back to barbarism.
     
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    I would not say it's "desireable" but, our competitive spirt is now trivialized. We are not fighting real battles, but we are more like Don Quixote now while the powerful and rich and pulling the rug out from under us
     
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    Primitive brutality is no different than civilized brutality
     
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    That is almost entirely a result of the destruction of traditional values, and trying to replace them with constructionist rationalism. the problem is 'rationalists' are too stupid and ignorant to know what they're doing, and don't have nearly enough brains to pull off any improvements; they can just destroy the 'old order', but they can't improve on it and replace it with anything better.
     
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    Actual there are a lot of differences, which is why the evolution of civilization wins out over it every time, and only reverts back to it during times of instability and corruption.
     
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    No you just think there are.

    People are still the same as they were centuries ago we just have better stuff now
     
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    The Marxists definitely proved their constructionist 'rationalism' is a total failure already; they're good at destroying weak cultures, but aren't even remotely capable of 'evolving' anything, and the same goes for their fellow travelers.
     
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    We have 'better stuff ' now because of those people centuries ago, and paganism would never have led to the 'now' we have now.
     
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    I forgot to add that only civilization can provide the environment for any genuine individual freedom, and by the process of natural selections among those, the only successful civilizations are those that are heavily influenced by monotheistic religions that emphasize family values and property. All the rest either stagnate or fail entirely, or as we see in our own modern era, become dependent on them for their own advancement and survival. This is why genuine agnostic scholars have no problems at all with Christianity, and scoff at faux 'Humanist rationalism' as offering something better.
     
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    That is a rather nonsensical position to take.

    Tell me, by what are you measuring the success or failure of our current society by that of one where we live as animals?
     

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