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Right, but how are those laws constitutional?
Crimes against Public Morals which is under the same guidelines as Prostitution and classification of laws in Criminal Law.
Oh, well I think prostitution should be legal as well, so....
Still illegal under other certain laws.
Right, but how are those laws constitutional?
Crimes against Public Morals which is under the same guidelines as Prostitution and classification of laws in Criminal Law.
You didn't answer the question of how is that constitutional. There's no reason prostitution should be illegal except that it offends some peoples sense of morality. If "some peoples sense of morality" is all it takes to make something illegal then the exact same argument could be used for why gay marriage shouldn't be legal.
You didn't answer the question of how is that constitutional. There's no reason prostitution should be illegal except that it offends some peoples sense of morality. If "some peoples sense of morality" is all it takes to make something illegal then the exact same argument could be used for why gay marriage shouldn't be legal.
Well I wasn't sure what he meant by constitutional, I thought he meant more along the lines of laws in general.
And your fucked up logic once again continues. Ever hear of a little thing called child prostitution and AIDS? Any country that allows prostitution sees a HUGE increase in child/human trafficking. My STATE is a example of that.
Rhode Island is the only other state in the U.S. that has Prostitution legalized in some form (only indoors) other then Nevada. RI also has a huge problem more of late with human trafficking.
That is just the general wording for the law however, the whole "morality" thing. There are plenty more reasons why Prostitution and Incest should be banned, not Gay Marriage however.
Children would not be allowed to participate in prostitution. Diseases are spread just as easily whether one pays for sex or not, so your argument fails. You also haven't shown cause and effect between prostitution and human trafficking. What is Holland's rate of human trafficking? I bet it's pretty low.
The Netherlands is a primary country of destination for victims of human trafficking. Many of these are led to believe by organized criminals that they are being offered work in hotels or restaurants or in child care and are forced into prostitution with the threat or actual use of violence. Estimates of the number of victims vary from 1000 to 7000 on a yearly basis.Most police investigations on human trafficking concern legal sex businesses. All sectors of prostitution are well represented in these investigations, but particularly the window brothels are overrepresented.[7][8]
Over the years there has been a significant increase of registered Dutch victims of human trafficking. In 2005 23% of the persons registered at the Dutch Foundation Against Trafficking in Women were Dutch citizens.
In an effort to crack down on forced prostitution, a campaign encouraging clients to report signs of coercion. The poster has an eyecatching silhouette of a spike-heeled prostitute with long hair leaning back, but on closer inspection another picture reveals a gun being held to the female's head. The caption reads "Have you seen the signals? Fear, bruises, no 'pleasure' in the job." It then goes on to offer a phone number which clients can call anonymously. The poster can be found here: [1]
A report done for the governmental Budapest Group* stated that 80% of women in the brothels in the Netherlands are trafficked from other countries (Budapest Group, 1999: 11). As early as 1994, the International Organization of Migration (IOM) stated that in the Netherlands alone, "nearly 70 per cent of trafficked women were from CEEC Central and Eastern European Countries]" (IOM, 1995: 4).
The government of the Netherlands promotes itself as the champion of anti-trafficking policies and programs, yet cynically has removed every legal impediment to pimping, procurement and brothels. In the year 2000, the Dutch Ministry of Justice argued for a legal quota of foreign "sex workers," because the Dutch prostitution market demands a variety of "bodies" (Dutting, 2001: 16).
Farley's study of Nevada's brothel industry drew on extensive interviews with 45 prostitutes in eight brothels. In her book, "Prostitution & Trafficking in Nevada: Making the Connections," she wrote that legal prostitutes in Nevada have rates of post-traumatic stress disorder about the same as combat veterans; that 81 percent are desperate to leave the lifestyle; that the women are made to work 24 hours a day, seven days a week; that brothel owners keep the bulk of their earnings; and that the women essentially are prisoners in these remote establishments.
And your fucked up logic once again continues. Ever hear of a little thing called child prostitution and AIDS? Any country that allows prostitution sees a HUGE increase in child/human trafficking. My STATE is a example of that.
And your fucked up logic once again continues. Ever hear of a little thing called child prostitution and AIDS? Any country that allows prostitution sees a HUGE increase in child/human trafficking. My STATE is a example of that.
My fucked up logic, huh? Ya know, "attack the person not the opinion" shows that you feel your argument lacks merit otherwise you wouldn't need to shore it up with a personal attack. You're making an unsubstantiated leap from one place to another. Prostitution in general being legal doesn't mean any thing else is necessarily going to follow.
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There are plenty more reasons why Prostitution and Incest should be banned, not Gay Marriage however.
Children would not be allowed to participate in prostitution. Diseases are spread just as easily whether one pays for sex or not, so your argument fails. You also haven't shown cause and effect between prostitution and human trafficking. What is Holland's rate of human trafficking? I bet it's pretty low.
You fail to realize that with legalized Prostitution comes children and human trafficking. Hello, Thailand?
You're avoiding my argument by trying to take the back door way out. You ignore the fact that certain STD tests take 21 days to receive the results, and the customer could have the STD if not the prostitute. So for 21 days, that could be at least 50-100 clients infected which if you say 1/10 are married it spreads quickly.
Human Trafficking & Modern-day Slavery - Netherlands
Besides, you also take into account that you believe all prostitutes will suddenly quit working if they find a positive STD result. If that is their own line of work to feed themselves, what other choice do they have?
And from Netherland's Wikipedia page on Prostitution:
Prostitution in the Netherlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Netherlands is a primary country of destination for victims of human trafficking. Many of these are led to believe by organized criminals that they are being offered work in hotels or restaurants or in child care and are forced into prostitution with the threat or actual use of violence. Estimates of the number of victims vary from 1000 to 7000 on a yearly basis.Most police investigations on human trafficking concern legal sex businesses. All sectors of prostitution are well represented in these investigations, but particularly the window brothels are overrepresented.[7][8]
Over the years there has been a significant increase of registered Dutch victims of human trafficking. In 2005 23% of the persons registered at the Dutch Foundation Against Trafficking in Women were Dutch citizens.
In an effort to crack down on forced prostitution, a campaign encouraging clients to report signs of coercion. The poster has an eyecatching silhouette of a spike-heeled prostitute with long hair leaning back, but on closer inspection another picture reveals a gun being held to the female's head. The caption reads "Have you seen the signals? Fear, bruises, no 'pleasure' in the job." It then goes on to offer a phone number which clients can call anonymously. The poster can be found here: [1]
10 Reasons for Not Legalizing Prostitution by Janice G. Raymond, Coalition Against Trafficking in Women International, March 25 2003
The government of the Netherlands promotes itself as the champion of anti-trafficking policies and programs, yet cynically has removed every legal impediment to pimping, procurement and brothels. In the year 2000, the Dutch Ministry of Justice argued for a legal quota of foreign "sex workers," because the Dutch prostitution market demands a variety of "bodies" (Dutting, 2001: 16).
AEGiS-Chicago Tribune: Nevada's brothels get tough look: $50 million industry draws new,unflattering attention
Farley's study of Nevada's brothel industry drew on extensive interviews with 45 prostitutes in eight brothels. In her book, "Prostitution & Trafficking in Nevada: Making the Connections," she wrote that legal prostitutes in Nevada have rates of post-traumatic stress disorder about the same as combat veterans; that 81 percent are desperate to leave the lifestyle; that the women are made to work 24 hours a day, seven days a week; that brothel owners keep the bulk of their earnings; and that the women essentially are prisoners in these remote establishments.
Modbert: Mythbuster; taking down one at a time.
As you can see, Netherlands has a huge problem with human trafficking, Nevada isn't doing so well with Prostitutes, and places that have legal Prostitution are hot spots for human trafficking.
What's your next myth to refute Elvis?
Porn is legal. Kiddie porn has become a major issue. Are you going to ban porn, too? I am sure one could show "cause and effect".
Porn is legal. Kiddie porn has become a major issue. Are you going to ban porn, too? I am sure one could show "cause and effect".
Thank you for ignoring my entire argument and making an entire new one!
Kiddie Porn is illegal already, Porn should be legal.
Nobody should be thought police.
But hey, keep trying to make claims that are not my positions while ignoring the real issue here at hand. I just totally proved you wrong on Holland and Human trafficking and you sputter into a whole new direction.
Porn is legal. Kiddie porn has become a major issue. Are you going to ban porn, too? I am sure one could show "cause and effect".
Thank you for ignoring my entire argument and making an entire new one!
Kiddie Porn is illegal already, Porn should be legal.
Nobody should be thought police.
But hey, keep trying to make claims that are not my positions while ignoring the real issue here at hand. I just totally proved you wrong on Holland and Human trafficking and you sputter into a whole new direction.
Children would not be allowed to participate in prostitution. Diseases are spread just as easily whether one pays for sex or not, so your argument fails. You also haven't shown cause and effect between prostitution and human trafficking. What is Holland's rate of human trafficking? I bet it's pretty low.
You fail to realize that with legalized Prostitution comes children and human trafficking. Hello, Thailand?
You're avoiding my argument by trying to take the back door way out. You ignore the fact that certain STD tests take 21 days to receive the results, and the customer could have the STD if not the prostitute. So for 21 days, that could be at least 50-100 clients infected which if you say 1/10 are married it spreads quickly.
Human Trafficking & Modern-day Slavery - Netherlands
Besides, you also take into account that you believe all prostitutes will suddenly quit working if they find a positive STD result. If that is their own line of work to feed themselves, what other choice do they have?
And from Netherland's Wikipedia page on Prostitution:
Prostitution in the Netherlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Netherlands is a primary country of destination for victims of human trafficking. Many of these are led to believe by organized criminals that they are being offered work in hotels or restaurants or in child care and are forced into prostitution with the threat or actual use of violence. Estimates of the number of victims vary from 1000 to 7000 on a yearly basis.Most police investigations on human trafficking concern legal sex businesses. All sectors of prostitution are well represented in these investigations, but particularly the window brothels are overrepresented.[7][8]
Over the years there has been a significant increase of registered Dutch victims of human trafficking. In 2005 23% of the persons registered at the Dutch Foundation Against Trafficking in Women were Dutch citizens.
In an effort to crack down on forced prostitution, a campaign encouraging clients to report signs of coercion. The poster has an eyecatching silhouette of a spike-heeled prostitute with long hair leaning back, but on closer inspection another picture reveals a gun being held to the female's head. The caption reads "Have you seen the signals? Fear, bruises, no 'pleasure' in the job." It then goes on to offer a phone number which clients can call anonymously. The poster can be found here: [1]
10 Reasons for Not Legalizing Prostitution by Janice G. Raymond, Coalition Against Trafficking in Women International, March 25 2003
The government of the Netherlands promotes itself as the champion of anti-trafficking policies and programs, yet cynically has removed every legal impediment to pimping, procurement and brothels. In the year 2000, the Dutch Ministry of Justice argued for a legal quota of foreign "sex workers," because the Dutch prostitution market demands a variety of "bodies" (Dutting, 2001: 16).
AEGiS-Chicago Tribune: Nevada's brothels get tough look: $50 million industry draws new,unflattering attention
Farley's study of Nevada's brothel industry drew on extensive interviews with 45 prostitutes in eight brothels. In her book, "Prostitution & Trafficking in Nevada: Making the Connections," she wrote that legal prostitutes in Nevada have rates of post-traumatic stress disorder about the same as combat veterans; that 81 percent are desperate to leave the lifestyle; that the women are made to work 24 hours a day, seven days a week; that brothel owners keep the bulk of their earnings; and that the women essentially are prisoners in these remote establishments.
Modbert: Mythbuster; taking down one at a time.
As you can see, Netherlands has a huge problem with human trafficking, Nevada isn't doing so well with Prostitutes, and places that have legal Prostitution are hot spots for human trafficking.
What's your next myth to refute Elvis?
Porn is legal. Kiddie porn has become a major issue. Are you going to ban porn, too? I am sure one could show "cause and effect".
Thank you for ignoring my entire argument and making an entire new one!
Kiddie Porn is illegal already, Porn should be legal.
Nobody should be thought police.
But hey, keep trying to make claims that are not my positions while ignoring the real issue here at hand. I just totally proved you wrong on Holland and Human trafficking and you sputter into a whole new direction.
You didn't prove shit. You quoted an observational study, which by definition, does NOT show cause and effect. Take a statistics class.
A report done for the governmental Budapest Group* stated that 80% of women in the brothels in the Netherlands are trafficked from other countries (Budapest Group, 1999: 11).
As early as 1994, the International Organization of Migration (IOM) stated that in the Netherlands alone, "nearly 70 per cent of trafficked women were from CEEC Central and Eastern European Countries]" (IOM, 1995: 4).
Over the years there has been a significant increase of registered Dutch victims of human trafficking. In 2005 23% of the persons registered at the Dutch Foundation Against Trafficking in Women were Dutch citizens.
Estimates of the number of victims vary from 1000 to 7000 on a yearly basis.Most police investigations on human trafficking concern legal sex businesses
Kiddie prostitution would be illegal too. Prostitution should be legal.
so which do you want prostitution and porn legal or not?
the fact that gay activists chose to go after same sex marriage in the courts rather than go after civil unions in the legislatures shows same sex marriage is as much of an ideological issue for them as it is for people who oppose it on religious grounds.
Thank you for ignoring my entire argument and making an entire new one!
Kiddie Porn is illegal already, Porn should be legal.
Nobody should be thought police.
But hey, keep trying to make claims that are not my positions while ignoring the real issue here at hand. I just totally proved you wrong on Holland and Human trafficking and you sputter into a whole new direction.
You didn't prove shit. You quoted an observational study, which by definition, does NOT show cause and effect. Take a statistics class.
A report done for the governmental Budapest Group* stated that 80% of women in the brothels in the Netherlands are trafficked from other countries (Budapest Group, 1999: 11).
As early as 1994, the International Organization of Migration (IOM) stated that in the Netherlands alone, "nearly 70 per cent of trafficked women were from CEEC Central and Eastern European Countries]" (IOM, 1995: 4).
Over the years there has been a significant increase of registered Dutch victims of human trafficking. In 2005 23% of the persons registered at the Dutch Foundation Against Trafficking in Women were Dutch citizens.
Estimates of the number of victims vary from 1000 to 7000 on a yearly basis.Most police investigations on human trafficking concern legal sex businesses
Statistics huh, you mean like these that you IGNORED.
You ever hear of condoms?
Kiddie prostitution would be illegal too. Prostitution should be legal.
so which do you want prostitution and porn legal or not?
Porn for those over 18 = Legal
Kiddie Porn = Illegal
Kiddie Prostitution = Illegal
Prostitution = Illegal.
Though I guess you assume that all human trafficking is just children huh?
You are going to lose this battle. Was this a controlled experiment? No. It's an observational study. You can show association, not cause and effect.
to show cause and effect, you have to randomly assign the subjects into control group and non-control group, which in this case, they would not be able to do. (incidentally, this is also true for the man-made global warming argument)
They are unable to conduct an experiment where "lets see which hookers end up in human trafficking and which ones do not."
Do you have a controlled experiment to prove your points? No
You ever hear of condoms?
You ever hear of the fact that many don't use them already? And if you legalize Prostitution then you are opening the door for rampant Prostitution without condoms because then you'd force the Police and city to go around and make sure these guidelines are being followed.
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