Citizenship or tenancy?

[anotherlife]

This could be a constitutional debate in any country. The us constitution is the least problematic in this respect though. So here is the problem thesis.

Citizenship was invented by Ancient Rome, to secure certain birth rights and obligations to Roman born people of the empire.

Tenancy was invented by warlords, to secure taxation rights over people by reducing the mobility of people.

Do you observe that in the 21st century, most citizenships, especually the European ones, are gradually being turned into tenancies? This started in the 20th century, when personal taxation was introduced, and now this is the single definitive factor in people's lives all over the western countries. Very similar to medieval tenant taxes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That OP is one of the worst fallacies of false equivalency that has been posted on the Board in some time.

 

[anotherlife]

That OP is one of the worst fallacies of false equivalency that has been posted on the Board in some time.

Okay, so what's the fallacy about it? Everything you make is determined by tax policies, down to the last penny of your wages. That is a tenancy, in contrast to a citizenship.

 

[JakeStarkey]

anotherlife, you simply make statements with no objective evidence. So until you can make the connections, the comparisons are false.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That OP is one of the worst fallacies of false equivalency that has been posted on the Board in some time.

Okay, so what's the fallacy about it? Everything you make is determined by tax policies, down to the last penny of your wages. That is a tenancy, in contrast to a citizenship.

You’re attempting – and failing – to equate two dissimilar things.

The paying of taxes has nothing to do with ‘tenancy.’

The paying of taxes in no manner undermines or mitigates citizenship.

 

[miketx]

That OP is one of the worst fallacies of false equivalency that has been posted on the Board in some time.

Trying to appear smart when you are not - fail.

 

[JakeStarkey]

AL's argument is a partially hidden, very stupid form of sovereign citizenry.

 

[anotherlife]

AL's argument is a partially hidden, very stupid form of sovereign citizenry.

Not exactly. You pay taxes but you get only 3rd grade infrastructure maintenance, useless public education, inaccessible healthcare, inadequate pensions. Even the military contracting is only for just select insiders, and science budgets are gone with the 80's. So taxation with zero in return, just like feudal tenancy.

On the other hand, Roman citizens enjoyed the profits of their statehood, which was by their citizenship.

 

[anotherlife]

I would like to postulate, that it is the introduction of personal income taxation, that turned western citizenships into tenancies. Before that time when only import and export taxes existed, citizenships were not tenancies.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Of course you would. ^^^^

 

[anotherlife]

Of course you would. ^^^^

But you were unable to negate my point, nor were you able to build yours.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You had no point of interest or worth to negate.

Tough, but there it is.