Citizens United: What do you agree or disagree with in the decision?

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    really? Then how do you explain the PPACA and other rulings like
    Supreme Court rules cell phones cannot be searched without a warrant?
     
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    The framers didn't foresee anything the FEC regulates either. :rofl:

    In your opinion: Government is clearly not authorized to regulate political speech. Yet the people want it. They will amend the Constitution on it sooner or later
     
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    I agree with the rest of Stevens position;

    As his amendment reflects, campaign spending is a form of speech protected by the First Amendment, but this does not mean that the right is absolute: "the [state] interest in preventing wealth from becoming the deciding factor in contested elections is valid and significant." The Supreme Court ignoring this interest starting with Buckely v. Valeo in 1976 has helped to produce a polity in which the interests of the wealthy are increasingly dominant.


    Wealth is altering the outcome of elections, or as I stated elsewhere, my vote is now worth one billionth of the votes of the Koch bros.
     
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    We are discussing Citizens United, right? Under CU we are the Corporate States of America when it comes to elections. We need another thread to discuss those other SCOTUS decisions.
     
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    I agree with caveat: Wealth is altering things, but not to the degree your hyperbolic statements seem to push.

    Billions are spent in contested elections and sway a few votes in contested elections. All it takes is a few votes.

    This is why I say I would consider voting for Jeb Bush in 2016 if he were a candidate. It keeps my mind focused away from what is sure to come with billions spent to convince me he is Satan incarnate.

    I agree with Stevens on the state interest. I disagree with him on the solution
     
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    We get nowhere when you go this far with hyperbole
     
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    What is your alternate solution?
     
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    former Justice Stevens laid it out: amend the Constitution
     
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    When Senator Warren is viewed as being the equivalent of Ted Cruz, We the People are no longer being represented by anyone in Congress. The interests of the people don't come 2nd, they come way behind the interests of the billionaires, corporations and plutocrats.

    If you can prove me wrong please feel free to do so. I have no problems with openly admitting when I am proven wrong in these forums. I have done so many times in the past and I expect that I will do so many times in the future too. So please go ahead and show me where I am wrong in my understanding of whose interests are actually being represented in Congress.
     
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    But you just said that you disagreed with Stevens. How is your amendment different?
     
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