CIA Lie - US Debt Unsustainable

[CurveLight]

Damn deany bush spent 10 times more on social programs than he did on the off budget portion of the War on terror. The Cost of supplemental appropriations for the wot averages less than 1/3 of 1 percent of the federal budget.

That sorta looks like a lot of rhetoric dancing. How much did the cheney admin sink in the wot? (impossible for an exact figure because we don't know how much is spent on things like secret prisons and does anyone know how much it costs to train people to torture others?)

 

[Avatar4321]

What does the CIA have to do with the budget?

 

[DiamondDave]

Debt, war, treason, bankruptcy, it all leads back to Bush. Bush and the Republicans.

Don't forget the Republicans. They were major players.

The debt, war, treason and bankruptcy you claim to be soooo concerned about trace their way back to the Wilson administration, pinhead.

But history began the day you were born, didn't it?

No, it began the day of 9/11 and led to an illegal invasion of Iraq.

Oh, my turn.

Butthead.

Dusting off the bullshit leftist chestnut again???

The military actions were not illegal.... and it has been shown numerous times... but you leftist lemmings just keep spouting it off like trained parrots

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Boooooooosh!!!!

 

[garyd]

Curvy logic Curve. The things you mention while useful to the war on terror - those of them for which there is actual evidence of their existence - would be happening whether plane one ever hit any of the buildings.

Since we had already been at war with Saddm for more than a decde when GWBush took office, the notion of the war being illegal is farcical at best

 

[CurveLight]

Curvy logic Curve. The things you mention while useful to the war on terror - those of them for which there is actual evidence of their existence - would be happening whether plane one ever hit any of the buildings.

Since we had already been at war with Saddm for more than a decde when GWBush took office, the notion of the war being illegal is farcical at best

We were not at war with saddam. You cannot cite unauthorized no-fly zones and bombings as evidence because they were not in any UN Resolution. You're basically citing illegal activity as evidence other illegal activities were not illegal.

The Constitution is clear in Article 6 regarding Treaties. Our being a member of the UNSC means the UN Charter is on par with the Constitution and is the supreme law of the land. The UNSC did not authorize the invasion, Article 4 of the Charter clearly states invasions must be voted on, and there is nothing in Resolution 1441 authorizing unilateral military action as a result of iraq failing to comply. Any further action required Votes.

Think about this....when Saddam invaded kuwait the US responded by saying he violated international law for invading another nation. However, if we do the exact same thing it is somehow legal? Please.

 

[CurveLight]

The debt, war, treason and bankruptcy you claim to be soooo concerned about trace their way back to the Wilson administration, pinhead.

But history began the day you were born, didn't it?

No, it began the day of 9/11 and led to an illegal invasion of Iraq.

Oh, my turn.

Butthead.

Dusting off the bullshit leftist chestnut again???

The military actions were not illegal.... and it has been shown numerous times... but you leftist lemmings just keep spouting it off like trained parrots

Is Richard Perle a "Lefty?"

(you know it's bad when even that type of fallacy can be exposed with a simple question.)

 

[kyzr]

The military actions were not illegal.... and it has been shown numerous times... but you leftist lemmings just keep spouting it off like trained parrots

Is Richard Perle a "Lefty?"
(you know it's bad when even that type of fallacy can be exposed with a simple question.)

Not sure that finding one opinion from a guy who wasn't in the loop proves anything? After all, liberal/leftist law professor Alan Dershowitz is a proponent of torture in the WOT.
Richard Perle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What Perle opinion are you referencing??

 

[CurveLight]

The military actions were not illegal.... and it has been shown numerous times... but you leftist lemmings just keep spouting it off like trained parrots

Is Richard Perle a "Lefty?"
(you know it's bad when even that type of fallacy can be exposed with a simple question.)

Not sure that finding one opinion from a guy who wasn't in the loop proves anything? After all, liberal/leftist law professor Alan Dershowitz is a proponent of torture in the WOT.
Richard Perle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What Perle opinion are you referencing??

Perle is a neocon and was Rummy's advisor and you want to claim he wasn't "in the loop?" He couldn't have been any deeper in the loop even if he was licking Rumsfeld's inside lower colon.

Plus, you're missing the point....it was claimed only Lefties say it was illegal.

Here's Perle's pearl:

But Mr Perle, a key member of the defence policy board, which advises the US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, said that "international law ... would have required us to leave Saddam Hussein alone", and this would have been morally unacceptable.

French intransigence, he added, meant there had been "no practical mechanism consistent with the rules of the UN for dealing with Saddam Hussein".

 

[Vast LWC]

If Boyking wants credit for anything that goes right -and who hasn't- he's going to have to eat it when things won't. That he is continuing and expanding upon neocon buffoonery was a given, to all but the most devoted of Kool-Aid mainliners. After all, neocons are social and economic leftists in the first place.

The semantics and criticisms have changed because the party affiliation of the person driving the policies has changed....Zero new under the sun there.

The deficit for this year was at 1.2 Trillion on January 7th. (Source: Congressional Budget Office)

Which means that ALL of the National debt, except for 500 Billion dollars, occurred under Republican adminstrations, or as a result of interest on the debt from Republican administrations.

Of that 500 Billion, 100 Billion is from the Carter administration, and 400 billion is from the stimulus package passed this year.

This means that Republican Presidents are responsible for 96% of the National debt...

and Obama is responsible for 3% of the national debt, mainly due to a one-time stimulus package that had to be put in place due to the failed Bush economy.

So, it seems to me that if you're worried about the National Debt, you should be voting Democrat.

 

[Avatar4321]

You know, maybe its about time people stopped trying to blame the other guys for the national debt and just got off their butts to fix the problem. Crazy idea. I know.

 

[kyzr]

Is Richard Perle a "Lefty?"
(you know it's bad when even that type of fallacy can be exposed with a simple question.)

Not sure that finding one opinion from a guy who wasn't in the loop proves anything? After all, liberal/leftist law professor Alan Dershowitz is a proponent of torture in the WOT.
Richard Perle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What Perle opinion are you referencing??

Perle is a neocon and was Rummy's advisor and you want to claim he wasn't "in the loop?" He couldn't have been any deeper in the loop even if he was licking Rumsfeld's inside lower colon. Plus, you're missing the point....it was claimed only Lefties say it was illegal.

Here's Perle's pearl:
But Mr Perle, a key member of the defence policy board, which advises the US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, said that "international law ... would have required us to leave Saddam Hussein alone", and this would have been morally unacceptable.

French intransigence, he added, meant there had been "no practical mechanism consistent with the rules of the UN for dealing with Saddam Hussein".

You haven't read the wiki link I posted that clearly showed that Perle's advice, even if Rumsfeld accepted/promoted it, was NOT taken. Here is a direct quote from wiki

Nevertheless, in an interview he gave Vanity Fair that was excerpted in an article appearing in the 4 November 2006 Los Angeles Times, he denied having a role in the planning of the war. He is reported to have told Vanity Fair, "I'm getting damn tired of being described as an architect of the war. This is not congruent with his signing of the PNAC letter in 1998. I was in favor of bringing down Saddam. Nobody said, 'Go design the campaign to do that.' I had no responsibility for that." The same Los Angeles Times article reports that Perle now believes that his advocacy of the Iraq war was wrong.

Please provide a credible link for your quote. These Perle quotes are contradictory.

 

[CurveLight]

Not sure that finding one opinion from a guy who wasn't in the loop proves anything? After all, liberal/leftist law professor Alan Dershowitz is a proponent of torture in the WOT.
Richard Perle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What Perle opinion are you referencing??

Perle is a neocon and was Rummy's advisor and you want to claim he wasn't "in the loop?" He couldn't have been any deeper in the loop even if he was licking Rumsfeld's inside lower colon. Plus, you're missing the point....it was claimed only Lefties say it was illegal.

Here's Perle's pearl:
But Mr Perle, a key member of the defence policy board, which advises the US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, said that "international law ... would have required us to leave Saddam Hussein alone", and this would have been morally unacceptable.

French intransigence, he added, meant there had been "no practical mechanism consistent with the rules of the UN for dealing with Saddam Hussein".

You haven't read the wiki link I posted that clearly showed that Perle's advice, even if Rumsfeld accepted/promoted it, was NOT taken. Here is a direct quote from wiki

Nevertheless, in an interview he gave Vanity Fair that was excerpted in an article appearing in the 4 November 2006 Los Angeles Times, he denied having a role in the planning of the war. He is reported to have told Vanity Fair, "I'm getting damn tired of being described as an architect of the war. This is not congruent with his signing of the PNAC letter in 1998. I was in favor of bringing down Saddam. Nobody said, 'Go design the campaign to do that.' I had no responsibility for that." The same Los Angeles Times article reports that Perle now believes that his advocacy of the Iraq war was wrong.

Please provide a credible link for your quote. These Perle quotes are contradictory.

I purposefully didn't read the wiki link because I knew there was nothing relevant to this discussion. I never said he was an "architect" of the war. I merely pointed out he publicly admitted the war was illegal. He gets targeted as an architect because of his work with the PNAC. He was an advocate, as your link shows he now regrets that work, and being an advisor to Rumsfeld he was in the loop.

What you are claiming as contradictory is simply a misunderstanding.

1. Someone said only "Lefties" claim the war was illegal.

2. My rebuttal was to point to Perle's admission the war was illegal.

3. You drop a wiki link and claim the guy was "out of the loop" and actually try to make it analogous to Dershowitz.

4. I point out he was not out of the loop because of his roles of being an advisor to Rumsfeld and his work with the PNAC.

There is no contradiction, just a lack of information. You should have learned more about Perle before making your comments.

 

[Toro]

Only took four posts after the OP to get to BOOOOOOOSH!

Kind of like Godwin's Law.

Maybe we should anoint a Law that eventually, all threads descend into blaming whatever problem under discussion on Bush.

We could call it "Dudewin's Law."

 

[garyd]

So dropping bombs on people isn't an act of war? Funny we sure thought different when the Japanese blew up those Battle ships at Pearl Harbor. That is actually totally intellectually vacuous. And I don't happen to agree with Richard Perle who is wrong about a great many things including that.

 

[DonKayrouz]

If Boyking wants credit for anything that goes right -and

The deficit for this year was at 1.2 Trillion on January 7th. (Source: Congressional Budget Office)

Which means that ALL of the National debt, except for 500 Billion dollars, occurred under Republican adminstrations, or as a result of interest on the debt from Republican administrations.


bt...

and Obama is responsible for 3% of the national debt, mainly due to a one-time stimulus package that had to be put in place due to the failed Bush economy.

So, it seems to me that if you're worried about the National Debt, you should be voting Democrat.

If you're worried about the Debt, you should be voting SOCIALISM
the 2010 deficit will be 1 trillion
the 2011 deficit will be 700 billion
Obama is no different than Bush...The solution is to increase taxes and cut spending
that means you must impoverish yourself to attenuate the burden of your children