Church goers must take their firearms with them to Church

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    And they are lying.......the truth...

    Accidental death of children in a country of 320 million people with 600 million guns and 16.3 million carrying guns for self defense...
    WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports
    2015...48

    2014...50
    2013...69
    2012...58
    2011...74
    2010...62
    2009...48
    2008...62
    2007...65
    2006...54
    2005...75
    2004...63
    2003...56
    2002...60
    2001...72
    2000...86
    1999...88

    Total number of accidental gun deaths as more Americans now own and carry guns....in a country of over 320 million people...keep in mind...in 2015

    Car accidental deaths...

    https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html
    Total car accidental death....

    2015....36,161
    2014....33,736
    2013....33,804
    2012....34,935

    Total Accidental gun deaths......

    Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

    2015...489

    2014.....486
    2013 ..... 505
    2012 ..... 548
    2011 ..... 591
    2010 ..... 606
    2009 ..... 554
    2008 ..... 592
    2007..... 613
    2006..... 642
    2005 ..... 789
    2004 ..... 649
    2003 ..... 730
    2002 ..... 762
    2001 ..... 802
    2000 ..... 776
    1999 ..... 824
     
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    and another thing that doesn't happen in countries that take guns away from normal people...those normal people saving themselves from criminals

    Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

    A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
    GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

    GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

    Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

    DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

    L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

    Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

    Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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    Bordua...1977...1,414,544

    DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

    Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

    Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

    Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

    DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

    Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

    (Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

    Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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    Ohio...1982...771,043

    Gallup...1991...777,152

    Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

    Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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    If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....
     
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    Alaska...really? Where they have lots of crime in Indian controlled areas....and Louisiana...where the biggest cities are controlled by democrats and their lax policies toward violent criminals? Try harder.
     
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    Yes the unrest if because we have too many guns. Our police shoot way more people than any other country. Too many guns. And with concealed carry increasing we see the results:
    FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year
     
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    No...we don't have too many guns...democrats refuse to lock up repeat, violent criminals, who keep gettting out of jail, and then use illegal guns to shoot people. Normal, law abiding people are not shooting each other or police.....and up until 2015 when obama, you and the other left wingers lied about what happened to Trayvon Martin and Ferguson, the violent crime rate went down, not up....but needing to start a new push for gun control, you and obama decided to hamstring the police, so that the crime rate would go up, so you could push gun control.....just like obama tried with FAst and Furious until he was caught.....

    Hard Data, Hollow Protests



    The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

    Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

    Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them.

    And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it. Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

    Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.
     
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    The link states toddlers are killing people. Sometimes their mom, sometimes other toddlers....

    That is a lot of death just for accidents. Then throw in 2 years of increasing violent crime. Mass shooting victims. Over 50 cops killed each year....
     
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    Yes and countries with strong gun control have much lower crime rates and we see what is happening with increased carry:
    FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year
     
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    Don't have to try harder, both have strong gun ownership, lax laws, and lots of homicide.
     
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    No....Chicago, Baltimore, D.C...have extreme gun control and they are the reason the violent crime rate went up.....it has nothing to do with guns, it has everything with people like you attacking the police.
     
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    I'm not attacking police, I'm trying to help them. We lose over 50 a year, this is unheard of in countries with gun control.

    City gun control doesn't stop guns from coming in. Cities have no walls. You should understand that.
     
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