Christians need to know the difference between acceptance and tolerance

[hortysir]

Christians, who are real Christians, do not accept sin, do not tolerate it, and certainly do not respect it. At best, the very least, is to separate themselves from it.

Ya know I love ya, Katz, but "real" Christians aren't without sin and should accept that fact.
For without that sin, there would have been no reason for His sacrifice.
No reason for redemption. No call to spread His good news.

"For all have sinned all fall short of the glory of God"

 

[BecauseIKnow]

They are not the fucking same, I don't have to accept Christians and Christian behavior in order to be tolerant of it. If I don't harass, bother, discriminate, or physically assault anyone and treat them with respect when I do have to interact with them I am being tolerant. Get over it and stop trying to force people to accept your bullshit.

Who the fuck is forcing you to partake in any religion or accept any idea???

You don't have to partake in ANY religious activity - you have free will.

You have the RIGHT NOT to partake in religious activities just like others have the RIGHT to partake in those same activities.

Quite frankly this comes down to you somehow believing you have some sort of right to not be offended.... You ever think for a second that your position on religion offends others?

Quite frankly people like you are selfish self-centered assholes.... You think society should bow to your beliefs or lack of beliefs.... Then you fuckers have the audacity to talk about "reason" when you cant even see you're a bunch of unreasonable hypocrites?

Like the people at the deornorn festival where trying to shuv Christianity down their throats, even though many of the Arabs there are lebenese Christians haha

 

[beagle9]

Christians, who are real Christians, do not accept sin, do not tolerate it, and certainly do not respect it. At best, the very least, is to separate themselves from it.

Ya know I love ya, Katz, but "real" Christians aren't without sin and should accept that fact.
For without that sin, there would have been no reason for His sacrifice.
No reason for redemption. No call to spread His good news.

"For all have sinned all fall short of the glory of God"

This is true what you say, but katz was just making a point upon how it is to live a Christian life as best that one can, and the only way to do that is to do what she has said in which they are supposed to try their very best in prayer always to do. Now some of them do fall off of the wagon sure, but that is the purpose in the example of redemption as was given for all to understand, where as a person is welcome at any time to brush themselves off and try it again (all depending on them), just as long as they are sincere in their wanting to do so. The world is getting much harder for Christians to live in, and they are finding it harder and harder to find a place of peace within it, and this for their families to live and thrive within these very days. Behold for the signs of the times are becoming clearer and more clearer to us all, but many who want peace turn their heads in defeat now, as the pressure becomes greater and greater upon them.

 

[hortysir]

Christians, who are real Christians, do not accept sin, do not tolerate it, and certainly do not respect it. At best, the very least, is to separate themselves from it.

Ya know I love ya, Katz, but "real" Christians aren't without sin and should accept that fact.
For without that sin, there would have been no reason for His sacrifice.
No reason for redemption. No call to spread His good news.

"For all have sinned all fall short of the glory of God"

This is true what you say, but katz was just making a point upon how it is to live a Christian life as best that one can, and the only way to do that is to do what she has said in which they are supposed to try their very best in prayer always to do. Now some of them do fall off of the wagon sure, but that is the purpose in the example of redemption as was given for all to understand, where as a person is welcome at any time to brush themselves off and try it again (all depending on them), just as long as they are sincere in their wanting to do so. The world is getting much harder for Christians to live in, and they are finding it harder and harder to find a place of peace within it, and this for their families to live and thrive within these very days. Behold for the signs of the times are becoming clearer and more clearer to us all, but many who want peace turn their heads in defeat now, as the pressure becomes greater and greater upon them.

I neglected to address her closing sentence, and I apologize.
We DO try to separate ourselves from it.

But Jesus hung out with the "unclean" and strove to bring them into the flock.

 

[beagle9]

Ya know I love ya, Katz, but "real" Christians aren't without sin and should accept that fact.
For without that sin, there would have been no reason for His sacrifice.
No reason for redemption. No call to spread His good news.

"For all have sinned all fall short of the glory of God"

This is true what you say, but katz was just making a point upon how it is to live a Christian life as best that one can, and the only way to do that is to do what she has said in which they are supposed to try their very best in prayer always to do. Now some of them do fall off of the wagon sure, but that is the purpose in the example of redemption as was given for all to understand, where as a person is welcome at any time to brush themselves off and try it again (all depending on them), just as long as they are sincere in their wanting to do so. The world is getting much harder for Christians to live in, and they are finding it harder and harder to find a place of peace within it, and this for their families to live and thrive within these very days. Behold for the signs of the times are becoming clearer and more clearer to us all, but many who want peace turn their heads in defeat now, as the pressure becomes greater and greater upon them.

I neglected to address her closing sentence, and I apologize.
We DO try to separate ourselves from it.

But Jesus hung out with the "unclean" and strove to bring them into the flock.

Yes, and this is the part that the active modern day sinner hates sorely these days, and more so than ever before I think, because they don't want to be talked to anymore these days (way worse than it has ever been before) about being brought into the flock, because the flock doesn't give them what the world is giving them in their minds now, for which is bound by and is attached to sin tokens that are only redemable at Hell's gates if die with them in the pockets, and this when it is all said and done finally.

It will all come at a price sooner or later for them (they know this), but they would rather think that they have gained the whole world in their mortal lifetimes as lived here upon this earth, even though they may end up losing their very own soul in the end. The Lord sat not in quite when he hung out as you put it (with the unclean), but rather he would speak to them in ways that would reveal the truth as to be found within it all of course, but even so the devils minions would rebuke quickly what would be heard by their ears within the temples when preached, but for the ones who listened and understood, the Kingdom was then at hand and within reach for them, just as it still is to this very day. Amen

 

[daveman]

Christians, who are real Christians, do not accept sin, do not tolerate it, and certainly do not respect it. At best, the very least, is to separate themselves from it.

Ya know I love ya, Katz, but "real" Christians aren't without sin and should accept that fact.
For without that sin, there would have been no reason for His sacrifice.
No reason for redemption. No call to spread His good news.

"For all have sinned all fall short of the glory of God"

Gays are sinners.

And so am I.

And so are you.

And so are we all.

And no sin is worse than any other.

 

[rdean]

They are not the fucking same, I don't have to accept Christians and Christian behavior in order to be tolerant of it. If I don't harass, bother, discriminate, or physically assault anyone and treat them with respect when I do have to interact with them I am being tolerant. Get over it and stop trying to force people to accept your bullshit.

Dear Ravi: As you will find out by interacting with people you can't stand much less tolerate, I trust you will discover as I have that anything we have not fully forgiven and let go of emotionally WILL cause you (or me) to project that bias onto others. It's just how human conscience is designed. We suffer this from whatever we can't forgive and let go, in order to learn the consequences of our action, even the most subtle subconscious decisions we make in the back of our minds not to fully forgive and let go yet!

People respond to nonverbal cues and communication, even reading between the lines when we didn't directly say this or that.

Ravi I think you know this by now
but this process of projection gets convulated quickly when everyone does it at the same time!
It becomes impossible to tell who was reacting to who, and who projected first,
to instigate this attack insult or "generalization" that escalated from there.

The only way I know to end the mutual fingerpointing contest
is to forgive each person and each instance FULLY (without
condition, not saying I will do this if that person does that, etc.)

mutual tolerance is one step, and an important one to start,
but it is not enough to finish the whole process, the emotions underneath of resentment
or "keeping score of who owes what correction before letting it go"
will keep projecting and coloring whatever you (or I) talk about or look at,
even msgs we read.

So I encouarge you to do more than tolerate
but really do the hard work it takes to forgive and let go of resentment
of people or groups you have the hardest time tolerating.

You will become a more and more effective and influential person
the more you replace these resentments with the choice to
forgive and correct the problems bothering you (that also bother me).

I have to constantly let go and forgive layer after layer
or these problems would eat me up!

TAke care Ravi and take heart and courage in
everything you do to overcome the very things you can't stand.

Best wishes and pls know you have my support.

You realize this is a spoof thread, right?


http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...een-acceptance-and-tolerance.html#post5763718

The hate and contempt right wingers have for the gays is not funny.

 

[Valerie]

Dear Ravi: As you will find out by interacting with people you can't stand much less tolerate, I trust you will discover as I have that anything we have not fully forgiven and let go of emotionally WILL cause you (or me) to project that bias onto others. It's just how human conscience is designed. We suffer this from whatever we can't forgive and let go, in order to learn the consequences of our action, even the most subtle subconscious decisions we make in the back of our minds not to fully forgive and let go yet!

People respond to nonverbal cues and communication, even reading between the lines when we didn't directly say this or that.

Ravi I think you know this by now
but this process of projection gets convulated quickly when everyone does it at the same time!
It becomes impossible to tell who was reacting to who, and who projected first,
to instigate this attack insult or "generalization" that escalated from there.

The only way I know to end the mutual fingerpointing contest
is to forgive each person and each instance FULLY (without
condition, not saying I will do this if that person does that, etc.)

mutual tolerance is one step, and an important one to start,
but it is not enough to finish the whole process, the emotions underneath of resentment
or "keeping score of who owes what correction before letting it go"
will keep projecting and coloring whatever you (or I) talk about or look at,
even msgs we read.

So I encouarge you to do more than tolerate
but really do the hard work it takes to forgive and let go of resentment
of people or groups you have the hardest time tolerating.

You will become a more and more effective and influential person
the more you replace these resentments with the choice to
forgive and correct the problems bothering you (that also bother me).

I have to constantly let go and forgive layer after layer
or these problems would eat me up!

TAke care Ravi and take heart and courage in
everything you do to overcome the very things you can't stand.

Best wishes and pls know you have my support.

You realize this is a spoof thread, right?


http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...een-acceptance-and-tolerance.html#post5763718

The hate and contempt right wingers have for the gays is not funny.

Hatred is not funny. Huh. Who woulda thunk? Thanks for that. No Reeally..



Totally serious ^ Not at all humorous in the least!!

 

[beagle9]

Christians, who are real Christians, do not accept sin, do not tolerate it, and certainly do not respect it. At best, the very least, is to separate themselves from it.

Ya know I love ya, Katz, but "real" Christians aren't without sin and should accept that fact.
For without that sin, there would have been no reason for His sacrifice.
No reason for redemption. No call to spread His good news.

"For all have sinned all fall short of the glory of God"

Gays are sinners.

And so am I.

And so are you.

And so are we all.

And no sin is worse than any other.

I disagree with the analogy that no sin is worse than anyother...Examples: What Sandusky did was to such a degree that warrants him never seeing the light of day again from behind his prison cell or maybe even punishment by death possibly all depending, and also what Holmes did is even worse than that, where as he should be put to death without question upon his judgement if he is given death, so I would say that there are degree's of sin, and then the punisments that do follow afterwards whether it be here or in the after life come the day of judgement. There are many more examples to be given, but you get the point right ?

 

[hipeter924]

They are not the fucking same, I don't have to accept Christians and Christian behavior in order to be tolerant of it. If I don't harass, bother, discriminate, or physically assault anyone and treat them with respect when I do have to interact with them I am being tolerant. Get over it and stop trying to force people to accept your bullshit.

Both believers and non believers can be assholes. Make an account on one of those atheist forums; I promise you if you dare to justify communism or anarcho-capitalism or anything that isn't 'left wing libertarianism', 'right wing libertarianism*2'or 'democratic socialism' then they will get on you like a lynch mob. People don't stop being bigots just by turning off a light and becoming 'atheist' or 'agnostic'.

*1: One of them suggested that Anarcho-Capitalism and Anarchist Communism are the same as Objectivism.
*2: Yes there are plenty of homophobic Atheists, it isn't just Christians; they all use the line 'marriage is state privilege'.

 

[daveman]

The hate and contempt right wingers have for the gays is not funny.

Flaylo, the OP of the thread this one is based on, is not a right winger. He's a leftist. That is inarguable.

 

[daveman]

Ya know I love ya, Katz, but "real" Christians aren't without sin and should accept that fact.
For without that sin, there would have been no reason for His sacrifice.
No reason for redemption. No call to spread His good news.

"For all have sinned all fall short of the glory of God"

Gays are sinners.

And so am I.

And so are you.

And so are we all.

And no sin is worse than any other.

I disagree with the analogy that no sin is worse than anyother...Examples: What Sandusky did was to such a degree that warrants him never seeing the light of day again from behind his prison cell or maybe even punishment by death possibly all depending, and also what Holmes did is even worse than that, where as he should be put to death without question upon his judgement if he is given death, so I would say that there are degree's of sin, and then the punisments that do follow afterwards whether it be here or in the after life come the day of judgement. There are many more examples to be given, but you get the point right ?

You're talking about man's justice, and I agree with your point.

But to God, sin is sin. There are no degrees.

 

[beagle9]

Gays are sinners.

And so am I.

And so are you.

And so are we all.

And no sin is worse than any other.

I disagree with the analogy that no sin is worse than anyother...Examples: What Sandusky did was to such a degree that warrants him never seeing the light of day again from behind his prison cell or maybe even punishment by death possibly all depending, and also what Holmes did is even worse than that, where as he should be put to death without question upon his judgement if he is given death, so I would say that there are degree's of sin, and then the punisments that do follow afterwards whether it be here or in the after life come the day of judgement. There are many more examples to be given, but you get the point right ?

You're talking about man's justice, and I agree with your point.

But to God, sin is sin. There are no degrees.

Do you know that there are different rewards coming to each of us in Heaven ? A good place to read about this is in the King james Version of the Holy Bible. It will be that we shall receive a new body after our passing, and this according to that which was pleasing unto the Lord in regards to us, in such that their will be some whom will be given celestial bodies and others terestial bodies and etc. (glorified), where as these are known to be the differences as is noted in the new testement reading of the King James Version of the Holy Bible.

Read here if want more information (1 Corinthians 15, verse 33 thru 58). Let me know.... B )

 

[hortysir]

Ya know I love ya, Katz, but "real" Christians aren't without sin and should accept that fact.
For without that sin, there would have been no reason for His sacrifice.
No reason for redemption. No call to spread His good news.

"For all have sinned all fall short of the glory of God"

Gays are sinners.

And so am I.

And so are you.

And so are we all.

And no sin is worse than any other.

I disagree with the analogy that no sin is worse than anyother...Examples: What Sandusky did was to such a degree that warrants him never seeing the light of day again from behind his prison cell or maybe even punishment by death possibly all depending, and also what Holmes did is even worse than that, where as he should be put to death without question upon his judgement if he is given death, so I would say that there are degree's of sin, and then the punisments that do follow afterwards whether it be here or in the after life come the day of judgement. There are many more examples to be given, but you get the point right ?

Your examples are all of "man's law", though.

A sin is a sin is a sin is a sin.
The only sin God doesn't forgive is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

 

[daveman]

I disagree with the analogy that no sin is worse than anyother...Examples: What Sandusky did was to such a degree that warrants him never seeing the light of day again from behind his prison cell or maybe even punishment by death possibly all depending, and also what Holmes did is even worse than that, where as he should be put to death without question upon his judgement if he is given death, so I would say that there are degree's of sin, and then the punisments that do follow afterwards whether it be here or in the after life come the day of judgement. There are many more examples to be given, but you get the point right ?

You're talking about man's justice, and I agree with your point.

But to God, sin is sin. There are no degrees.

Do you know that there are different rewards coming to each of us in Heaven ? A good place to read about this is in the King james Version of the Holy Bible. It will be that we shall receive a new body after our passing, and this according to that which was pleasing unto the Lord in regards to us, in such that their will be some whom will be given celestial bodies and others terestial bodies and etc. (glorified), where as these are known to be the differences as is noted in the new testement reading of the King James Version of the Holy Bible.

Read here if want more information (1 Corinthians 15, verse 33 thru 58). Let me know.... B )

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

James 2:10​

That means that no law is more serious than any other. Therefore, no sin is more serious than any other.

 

[Gadawg73]

Christians, who are real Christians, do not accept sin, do not tolerate it, and certainly do not respect it. At best, the very least, is to separate themselves from it.

Ya know I love ya, Katz, but "real" Christians aren't without sin and should accept that fact.
For without that sin, there would have been no reason for His sacrifice.
No reason for redemption. No call to spread His good news.

"For all have sinned all fall short of the glory of God"

Gays are sinners.

And so am I.

And so are you.

And so are we all.

And no sin is worse than any other.

Murder is worse than eating oysters.

 

[Gadawg73]

I worked a case a few years ago here where a man and his wife moved into town. He was an auto mechanic and after a few years of working at local repair shops he looked for a location to build his auto repair shop on. He found a realtor who happened to be from MY church, sang in the choir and was a big wig in the local church. The realtor found them a location at a very good intersection and they bought the lot for 120K. There was a disclosure clause in the contract that the seller know of no problems with the lot which included hazardous materials, dumping, etc. 6 months later they started construction on the lot. Turned out there was an entire building buried on this lot along with 20 feet deep filling of old construction materials and trash as this has been a dumping ground in the 70s. They had to pay 125K MORE to haul off the debris before they could build. The current building sits low at that intersection. They hired a law firm and the firm hired me to investigate. I found a local grader that had buried a lot of the materials there in the 70s for the past owners and he testified at court. I was so involved in this I went to the realtor that I knew from church. Facts were HE KNEW also. I inquired how could he do this, lie and fabricate this for a sale. This man was in his early 70s and a pillar in the community. "Dawg, this is what I do in the business world 6 days a week to make a living. This is business and what I do to make a sale. So what if we knew and did not tell the truth? God forgives me for my sins on Sunday when I ask for it".
Bull shit. He is going to burn in hell. This bit that one can do what they want, sin all they want and ask forgiveness and be saved one second before they die is Bull Shit.
If that is what Christianity is about then I want no part of it. Sin is not sin is not sin.
And we won the case awarding 250K to the man and his wife for real estate fraud.

 

[Cecilie1200]

In our modern world, Christians have to understand that they are a prominent religion, but not the only religion. Religion is a choice, but there should not be campaigning like "Tebowing". Also, Christians should not thrust their views on anyone. I've never seen any Jewish people thrusting their religion on people.

"Thrust their views on anyone"? You mean, by practicing it where people can see it, instead of keeping it a secret?

 

[Cecilie1200]

In our modern world, Christians have to understand that they are a prominent religion, but not the only religion. Religion is a choice, but there should not be campaigning like "Tebowing". Also, Christians should not thrust their views on anyone. I've never seen any Jewish people thrusting their religion on people.

You never dated a Jew have you?

I did and because I was not a nice Jewish boy, her parents made life very hard for her.

I had a Jewish friend who married a Catholic and his parents still call her Shiska.

Jews are not good examples of tolerance either.

And considering what his definition of "thrusting it on anyone" is, lots of Jews engage in very publicly visible practice of their religion. Depends on which group of Jews you're talking about.

 

[jillian]

Christians, who are real Christians, do not accept sin, do not tolerate it, and certainly do not respect it. At best, the very least, is to separate themselves from it.

guess your church left out that whole "judge not" and "he who is without sin cast the first stone" parts of the NT.

jesus called, he said to stop using his name.