Christians break the Golden Rule when accepting Jesus as savior.

[GreatestIam]

I agree.

Only a satanic God would see justice in the punishing of the innocent instead of the guilty.

That is partly why Gnostic Christians see the biblical God as a vile demiurge.

Regards
DL

Talk about an unholy alliance... a militant Jew aligning with a militant atheist to attack Christianity. You guys are messed up.

I am neither but thanks for asking.

Put your other foot in your mouth now.

Regards
DL

My bad. I apologize. Let me ask now. What faith do you practice and why is Christianity any concern of yours?

I am a Gnostic Christian, and not to be ignorant, but all moral men will fight against the homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam.

They have done to much damage in the past and present and to just allow that evil to grow without a fight makes all moral people look quite immoral.

Regards
DL

Yes. They will even align themselves with militant atheists in their fight to subordinate religion and demoralize its people.

You mean enlighten the people and improve their morals.

Regards
DL

 

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Talk about an unholy alliance... a militant Jew aligning with a militant atheist to attack Christianity. You guys are messed up.

I am neither but thanks for asking.

Put your other foot in your mouth now.

Regards
DL

My bad. I apologize. Let me ask now. What faith do you practice and why is Christianity any concern of yours?

I am a Gnostic Christian, and not to be ignorant, but all moral men will fight against the homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam.

They have done to much damage in the past and present and to just allow that evil to grow without a fight makes all moral people look quite immoral.

Regards
DL

I see. Gnogstics were a pretty reprehensible lot. You probably shouldn't be throwing stones.

Yet here you are throwing stones without even showing what is reprehensible.

That is reprehensible and rather childish. Child.

Now you have two feet in o moth so move along.

Regards
DL

I would be happy to show you the foundation of your religion when I get back to my house. Suffice it to say your religion, like all socialistic movements before it and after it is a reaction and seeks to subordinate religion. No wonder why you are such a natural fit with militant atheism.

 

[ding]

Talk about an unholy alliance... a militant Jew aligning with a militant atheist to attack Christianity. You guys are messed up.

I am neither but thanks for asking.

Put your other foot in your mouth now.

Regards
DL

My bad. I apologize. Let me ask now. What faith do you practice and why is Christianity any concern of yours?

I am a Gnostic Christian, and not to be ignorant, but all moral men will fight against the homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam.

They have done to much damage in the past and present and to just allow that evil to grow without a fight makes all moral people look quite immoral.

Regards
DL

Yes. They will even align themselves with militant atheists in their fight to subordinate religion and demoralize its people.

You mean enlighten the people and improve their morals.

Regards
DL

No. I mean normalization of deviance, moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness and external locus of control.

 

[GreatestIam]

I am neither but thanks for asking.

Put your other foot in your mouth now.

Regards
DL

My bad. I apologize. Let me ask now. What faith do you practice and why is Christianity any concern of yours?

I am a Gnostic Christian, and not to be ignorant, but all moral men will fight against the homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam.

They have done to much damage in the past and present and to just allow that evil to grow without a fight makes all moral people look quite immoral.

Regards
DL

I see. Gnogstics were a pretty reprehensible lot. You probably shouldn't be throwing stones.

Yet here you are throwing stones without even showing what is reprehensible.

That is reprehensible and rather childish. Child.

Now you have two feet in o moth so move along.

Regards
DL

I would be happy to show you the foundation of your religion when I get back to my house. Suffice it to say your religion, like all socialistic movements before it and after it is a reaction and seeks to subordinate religion. No wonder why you are such a natural fit with militant atheism.

Our foundations are hard to pin down but if you have anything on the Chrestians, I am all ears. No. That is not a spelling error.

Well of course we want to subordinate the unworthy religions.

Have you not seen how they are mostly the ones responsible for our 5,000 years of history of war, homophobia and misogyny and inequality.

You seen to not like social movement but fail to recognize, perhaps, that secular humanism has made secular law way better than what the religions have produced.

FMPOV, those who do not want to rid us of the mainstream religions must like that they are homophobic and misogynous and refuse to grant all souls equality.

I am not a good fit for militant atheism because they do not seem to care about the homophobia and misogyny that religion propagate. My religion forces me to fight evil. Atheist have no such entity pushing them and that makes them soft on religious immorality.

It is atheists who are not a good fit for Gnostic Christianity as they do not fight evil as hard as we do. There are no real militant atheists in my view. At least I have not met any although I did promote it for a time and gave up on finding any.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

I am neither but thanks for asking.

Put your other foot in your mouth now.

Regards
DL

My bad. I apologize. Let me ask now. What faith do you practice and why is Christianity any concern of yours?

I am a Gnostic Christian, and not to be ignorant, but all moral men will fight against the homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam.

They have done to much damage in the past and present and to just allow that evil to grow without a fight makes all moral people look quite immoral.

Regards
DL

Yes. They will even align themselves with militant atheists in their fight to subordinate religion and demoralize its people.

You mean enlighten the people and improve their morals.

Regards
DL

No. I mean normalization of deviance, moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness and external locus of control.

Try English or broken explanatory sentences. I read gibberish.

Then again, my first language is French.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

My bad. I apologize. Let me ask now. What faith do you practice and why is Christianity any concern of yours?

I am a Gnostic Christian, and not to be ignorant, but all moral men will fight against the homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam.

They have done to much damage in the past and present and to just allow that evil to grow without a fight makes all moral people look quite immoral.

Regards
DL

I see. Gnogstics were a pretty reprehensible lot. You probably shouldn't be throwing stones.

Yet here you are throwing stones without even showing what is reprehensible.

That is reprehensible and rather childish. Child.

Now you have two feet in o moth so move along.

Regards
DL

I would be happy to show you the foundation of your religion when I get back to my house. Suffice it to say your religion, like all socialistic movements before it and after it is a reaction and seeks to subordinate religion. No wonder why you are such a natural fit with militant atheism.

Our foundations are hard to pin down but if you have anything on the Chrestians, I am all ears. No. That is not a spelling error.

Well of course we want to subordinate the unworthy religions.

Have you not seen how they are mostly the ones responsible for our 5,000 years of history of war, homophobia and misogyny and inequality.

You seen to not like social movement but fail to recognize, perhaps, that secular humanism has made secular law way better than what the religions have produced.

FMPOV, those who do not want to rid us of the mainstream religions must like that they are homophobic and misogynous and refuse to grant all souls equality.

I am not a good fit for militant atheism because they do not seem to care about the homophobia and misogyny that religion propagate. My religion forces me to fight evil. Atheist have no such entity pushing them and that makes them soft on religious immorality.

It is atheists who are a good fit for Gnostic Christianity as the do not fight evil as hard as we do. There are no real militant atheists in my view. At least I have not met any although I did promote it for a time and gave up on finding any.

Regards
DL

I rest my case.

 

[ding]

My bad. I apologize. Let me ask now. What faith do you practice and why is Christianity any concern of yours?

I am a Gnostic Christian, and not to be ignorant, but all moral men will fight against the homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam.

They have done to much damage in the past and present and to just allow that evil to grow without a fight makes all moral people look quite immoral.

Regards
DL

Yes. They will even align themselves with militant atheists in their fight to subordinate religion and demoralize its people.

You mean enlighten the people and improve their morals.

Regards
DL

No. I mean normalization of deviance, moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness and external locus of control.

Try English or broken explanatory sentences. I read gibberish.

Then again, my first language is French.

Regards
DL

That explains a lot.

 

[RodISHI]

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How do YOU know that it is not the spirit in them that takes care of the law and atonement in them once they accept Jesus as their personal savior?

Why would you think that when that is not how Christianity sells it?

At least not usually as they do not believe in the more Eastern esoteric Jesus who said what follows.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

What you put would make too much sense and would be moral, but to tie it to Jesus would be quite wrong as this is all about you. Unless you have taken on the Christ mind.

Regards
DL

Why would you think that when that is not how Christianity sells it?
Let us just say for now that I was blessed to see and experience the things I have been given in the flesh and the spirit. As a child and as an adult when I called out God was there and he sent his angel(s) to me. "He shall send from heaven, and save me [from] the reproach of him that would swallow me up. Selah. God shall send forth his mercy and his truth." (Psalm 57:3)
Salvation comes from Jesus not from something that anyone of the earth/carnal flesh is trying to sell. The spirit of God with us is not so limited as those who think with a carnal mind would attempt to make it. You have stated just a few of the verses that confirm salvation is planted/instilled in us. Without a Christ/anointed mind one cannot overcome the son of perdition in themselves. 2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

I see that you keep your eyes on the prize and do not care about your moral soul.

Perhaps this Bishop can enlighten you since I cannot make you think.



Regards
DL

I listened to 17+ minutes of 'your bishop' and Rod also heard the same as I did in that brief introduction to 'his beliefs'. Seventeen minutes plus of his blathering from his own pharasitical theological precepts through his own serpent was enough for me and my husband. Hubby agreed it was "blathering". Obviously you or the one who labels themselves a bishop work from your own precepts. Who am I that I would suggest such a thing as to insinuate you can't get the door open that the Lord closed and locked with his own personal set of keys.

My mind is already occupied by the Spirit of God the Father whom you obviously do not know, do not understand and cannot see. It has already been enlighten by the spirit of the one who matters to me. I have that personal guarantee from him that he would be with me always and he has his own key to the door of the safe house where he keeps my children and I safe.

Enlightened spirits do not idol worship genocidal son murdering Gods and that is what you are doing.

Apologies for not knowing that you did not have the attention span to view the whole sermon.

As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

Regards
DL

Has nothing to do with attention span. It has to do with an initial ten minutes of blathering that has nothing to do with the push twenty minutes into this time waster.Theologians with all these theories come up with to twist the Bible to fit their carnally minded human precepts without having the spirit are in error and make claims that something else is in error such as this '4th century politics' theory. We are dealing with the same spirit now as then. Men who believe that they should be the ones to control the food for they can control the masses. The only difference between today and yesterday is "the cloud" (the Internet) and the fact that once again a few believe that they have "the right" to attempt to control the hearts of humans through their bellies both spiritually and physically.

If anyone has not been awakened or is not being awakened from the dead/asleep in the dust-confusion of the earth they can't hear nor do they have eyes to "see". Plus I am not here to critique every carnal precept out there. There is a spirit in humans that can do that if they are seeking the truth. They make choices along the way and subject themselves to all sorts of devices both physically and spiritually (the price paid in their flesh keeping in mind flesh is as grass. It is merely a container, a skin, a bottle to hold the new wine). Teachers/preachers/rabbis/whatever pass on their own precepts just as you attempted to do when you said "I see that you keep your eyes on the prize and do not care about your moral soul". My Soul is secure is yours?

Genesis 2:21 Adam= red earth human with an Eve made from a riyb is a portion, a spiritual host in Adam. That is supposed to speaking to each and every red earth human (that personal relationship thingy). In Adam's mind with Eve/life (more specifically a host to show where life is and teach the human how to breath spiritually). Cain is another spiritual host that is born/brought forth/ conceived in the human when the Eve portion of that human realizes it has a spiritual MAN in it Genesis 1:27.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Christians break the Golden Rule when accepting Jesus as savior.

Jesus indicated that doing unto others as we would want done to us was a commandment.

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, goes against the Golden Rule and Jesus’s commandment.

None of us would want to be punished for someone else’s sin, yet Christians ignore Jesus's commandment and eagerly consent to let Jesus suffer for the sins they have done so that they might escape their just punishment.

From what Jesus said, Christians are showing that they are not fit for heaven as they do not follow Jesus’s commandment and thus do evil.

Should Christians step up and make themselves fit for heaven by rejecting substitutionary atonement?

Regards
DL

Jesus Was the First Protestant

Proxy atonement makes no sense at all. Suppose a boss wants to punish lazy employees. Does he bring his son in and whip him, thinking that will make them ashamed of themselves and go on to work more productively? Its appeal is as a way to get off the hook.

The Christian hierarchy made up the atonement story because Jesus was actually crucified for standing up to the Scribes, Pharisees, and other high officials of the Hebrew religion. The high priests were agents of the Roman Empire, so they passed the word onto Pilate to get rid of Jesus, just as they had done about John the Baptist.

 

[GreatestIam]

I am a Gnostic Christian, and not to be ignorant, but all moral men will fight against the homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam.

They have done to much damage in the past and present and to just allow that evil to grow without a fight makes all moral people look quite immoral.

Regards
DL

I see. Gnogstics were a pretty reprehensible lot. You probably shouldn't be throwing stones.

Yet here you are throwing stones without even showing what is reprehensible.

That is reprehensible and rather childish. Child.

Now you have two feet in o moth so move along.

Regards
DL

I would be happy to show you the foundation of your religion when I get back to my house. Suffice it to say your religion, like all socialistic movements before it and after it is a reaction and seeks to subordinate religion. No wonder why you are such a natural fit with militant atheism.

Our foundations are hard to pin down but if you have anything on the Chrestians, I am all ears. No. That is not a spelling error.

Well of course we want to subordinate the unworthy religions.

Have you not seen how they are mostly the ones responsible for our 5,000 years of history of war, homophobia and misogyny and inequality.

You seen to not like social movement but fail to recognize, perhaps, that secular humanism has made secular law way better than what the religions have produced.

FMPOV, those who do not want to rid us of the mainstream religions must like that they are homophobic and misogynous and refuse to grant all souls equality.

I am not a good fit for militant atheism because they do not seem to care about the homophobia and misogyny that religion propagate. My religion forces me to fight evil. Atheist have no such entity pushing them and that makes them soft on religious immorality.

It is atheists who are a good fit for Gnostic Christianity as the do not fight evil as hard as we do. There are no real militant atheists in my view. At least I have not met any although I did promote it for a time and gave up on finding any.

Regards
DL

I rest my case.

Good. For evil to grow, all good people need do is give our mainstream religion a pass on morality.

I had to edit my last paragraph and added a (not) to it. Sorry.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

I am a Gnostic Christian, and not to be ignorant, but all moral men will fight against the homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam.

They have done to much damage in the past and present and to just allow that evil to grow without a fight makes all moral people look quite immoral.

Regards
DL

Yes. They will even align themselves with militant atheists in their fight to subordinate religion and demoralize its people.

You mean enlighten the people and improve their morals.

Regards
DL

No. I mean normalization of deviance, moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness and external locus of control.

Try English or broken explanatory sentences. I read gibberish.

Then again, my first language is French.

Regards
DL

That explains a lot.

Yes but not your poor writing.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Christians break the Golden Rule when accepting Jesus as savior.

Jesus indicated that doing unto others as we would want done to us was a commandment.

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, goes against the Golden Rule and Jesus’s commandment.

None of us would want to be punished for someone else’s sin, yet Christians ignore Jesus's commandment and eagerly consent to let Jesus suffer for the sins they have done so that they might escape their just punishment.

From what Jesus said, Christians are showing that they are not fit for heaven as they do not follow Jesus’s commandment and thus do evil.

Should Christians step up and make themselves fit for heaven by rejecting substitutionary atonement?

Regards
DL

Jesus Was the First Protestant

Proxy atonement makes no sense at all. Suppose a boss wants to punish lazy employees. Does he bring his son in and whip him, thinking that will make them ashamed of themselves and go on to work more productively? Its appeal is as a way to get off the hook.

The Christian hierarchy made up the atonement story because Jesus was actually crucified for standing up to the Scribes, Pharisees, and other high officials of the Hebrew religion. The high priests were agents of the Roman Empire, so they passed the word onto Pilate to get rid of Jesus, just as they had done about John the Baptist.

You are a lot closer to the truth in my view than the idiocy that Christians have swallowed.

You might also consider that another famous Protestant was moving to being a Gnostic Christian.



Regards
DL

 

[RWNJ]

Christians break the Golden Rule when accepting Jesus as savior.

Jesus indicated that doing unto others as we would want done to us was a commandment.

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, goes against the Golden Rule and Jesus’ commandment.

None of us would want to be punished for someone else’s sin, yet Christians ignore Jesus’ commandment and eagerly consent to let Jesus suffer for the sins they have done so that they might escape their just punishment.

From what Jesus said, Christians are showing that they are not fit for heaven as they do not follow Jesus’ commandment and thus do evil.

Should Christians step up and make themselves fit for heaven by rejecting substitutionary atonement?

Regards
DL

Congratulations. You have just taken over the number one position on my list of fools. I'm impressed, since the competition is so fierce. You should be proud. It couldn't have been easy.

 

[ding]

I see. Gnogstics were a pretty reprehensible lot. You probably shouldn't be throwing stones.

Yet here you are throwing stones without even showing what is reprehensible.

That is reprehensible and rather childish. Child.

Now you have two feet in o moth so move along.

Regards
DL

I would be happy to show you the foundation of your religion when I get back to my house. Suffice it to say your religion, like all socialistic movements before it and after it is a reaction and seeks to subordinate religion. No wonder why you are such a natural fit with militant atheism.

Our foundations are hard to pin down but if you have anything on the Chrestians, I am all ears. No. That is not a spelling error.

Well of course we want to subordinate the unworthy religions.

Have you not seen how they are mostly the ones responsible for our 5,000 years of history of war, homophobia and misogyny and inequality.

You seen to not like social movement but fail to recognize, perhaps, that secular humanism has made secular law way better than what the religions have produced.

FMPOV, those who do not want to rid us of the mainstream religions must like that they are homophobic and misogynous and refuse to grant all souls equality.

I am not a good fit for militant atheism because they do not seem to care about the homophobia and misogyny that religion propagate. My religion forces me to fight evil. Atheist have no such entity pushing them and that makes them soft on religious immorality.

It is atheists who are a good fit for Gnostic Christianity as the do not fight evil as hard as we do. There are no real militant atheists in my view. At least I have not met any although I did promote it for a time and gave up on finding any.

Regards
DL

I rest my case.

Good. For evil to grow, all good people need do is give our mainstream religion a pass on morality.

I had to edit my last paragraph and added a (not) to it. Sorry.

Regards
DL

No worries. People make mistakes. Christianity is based on forgiving the mistakes of others. I don't know why you would think Christians give a pass on morality. We don't judge the sinner we judge the sin.

 

[ding]

Yes. They will even align themselves with militant atheists in their fight to subordinate religion and demoralize its people.

You mean enlighten the people and improve their morals.

Regards
DL

No. I mean normalization of deviance, moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness and external locus of control.

Try English or broken explanatory sentences. I read gibberish.

Then again, my first language is French.

Regards
DL

That explains a lot.

Yes but not your poor writing.

Regards
DL

Bless your heart you got so flustered this was the only thing you could think to write. It seems to me that you don't have beliefs you have arguments against the beliefs of others. If your religion were worth stating that's what you would do, but since it apparently isn't, you attack mine. That is exactly what militant atheists and socialists do. Now let's turn the table and discuss Gnostics, ok? Fair enough?

"...Shafarevich points out with great precision both the cause and the genesis of the first socialist doctrines, which he characterizes as reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity..."

"...Beginning with the Middle Ages and the Reformation, doctrines of chiliastic socialism in Western Europe appeared under religious guise. As varied as they were, all these doctrines had in common a characteristic trait--the rejection of numerous aspects of the teachings of the Catholic Church and a fierce hatred for the Church itself..."

"...The movement of the Cathars (Greek for "the pure") spread in Western and Central Europe in the eleventh century. It seems to have originated in the East, arriving from Bulgaria, the home of Bogomil heresy in the preceding century. The ultimate origins of both, however, are more ancient...."

"...The so-called dualistic Cathars believed this to be caused by the existence of two Gods--one good, the other evil. It was the God of evil who had created the physical world--the earth with everything that grows upon it, the sky, the sun and the stars, and human bodies as well. The good God, on the other hand, was seen as the creator of the spiritual world, in which there is another, spiritual sky, other stars and another sun. Other Cathars, called monarchian Cathars, believed in one beneficent God, the creator of the universe, but assumed that the physical world was the creation of his eldest, fallen son--Satan or Lucifer. All the Cathars held that the mutual hostility of the realms of matter and spirit allowed for no intermingling. They therefore denied the bodily incarnation of Christ (asserting that his body was a spiritual one, which had only the appearance of physicality) and the resurrection of the flesh. They saw a reflection of their dualism in the division of the Holy Scriptures into Old and New Testaments. They identified the God of the Old Testament, the creator of the physical world, with the evil God or with Lucifer. They professed the New Testament as the teaching of the good God.

"...The Cathars did not believe that God had created the world from nothing; they held that matter was eternal and that the world would have no end. So far as people were concerned, they considered their bodies to be the creation of the evil force. Their souls, though, did not have a single source. The souls of the majority of men, just like their bodies, were begotten by evil--such people had no hope for salvation and were doomed to perish when the entire material world returned to a state of primeval chaos...."

Does this sound like you? Can you tell me how your beliefs vary from these beliefs?

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

 

[ding]

Our foundations are hard to pin down but if you have anything on the Chrestians, I am all ears. No. That is not a spelling error.

Yes, socialism does deny examination. It always has and always will because it is based on deceit. In fact there is no formal socialism of socialism. Just vague rosy notions of goodness which will instantly create euphoria in its followers and lead to utopia, of course that is all bullshit, but I digress. So it does not surprise me that your beliefs are hard to pin down. That's exactly how you want it.