I would love to see an actual Christian DEBATE (rather than an argument) dealing The abortion issue, I do not desire anger or disgust, merely to voice opinions based upon opinions of scripture: In Genisus God laid out the science of physics; light, time, space, and all forms of matter. Man (humans) are contained in this earthly body moving about in this physical world. We are eternal spirits contained within a human form, when we die the container is left behind. Pregnancy is the forming of this container. Surely we can agree on this. The human soul is contained by a body. Just as you identify a container, by what it holds, IE a glass of water, a bottle of wine etc. Paul said I pray I know you by your spirit. It is not about the body, it is about the soul. The breath of life is the act of the soul entering into body. As in Genesis Chapter 2 verse 7 says AND God breathed the breath of life into Adams nostrils and man became a living soul. A body without breath is just flesh. A fetus is alive, but after the birth has a soul. Whether or not you believe the act of abortion is murder, depends upon if you believe that a life is taken, or a soul has simply been given no container within the time that God has created for us. Spirits have no time, rather are eternal. I agree with the Christian doctrine of predestination, or I would not be a Christian, and neither would anyone else. God has plans for all souls. However if the argument of abortion is murder, would not that discount the fact that God doesnt know whether a fetus will or will not be aborted. For plausibility reverse the statement where there is breath there is hope to possibly mean where there is no breath (lack of life) there is no need for hope?