Choosin’ Your Religion

[PoliticalChic]

Soooo.....you never heard about the 100 million men, women and children the Democrat predecessors slaughtered in the last century?

That's government schooling for ya'....


...you dunce.

All I am saying is that religion is at least as corrupt as any other human institution. Since believers tend to be very naive and trusting of clergy it's probably the most corrupt thing in the world. I find more honesty and genuine goodness in a bar room than I ever did in church. Making religious authority figures into infallible and trustworthy conduits to God seems to be an excellent way to get your pocket picked and your children molested.

Let's review..

First you claimed that religion is force on you...and I showed it certainly is not. In fact it is hidden and marginalized by your religion, Secular Totalitarianism

Next, you referred to it being evil, and I showed that there is no historical basis for comparing the numbers slaughtered by your side, to that of religion.



Shouldn't you begin to question why you've been lied to?


And...consider the rest of the comparisons I'm gonna provide in this thread.

Let me straighten you out on something. I learned about religion by living it. I was taken to church by my family every Sunday and Wednesday for my entire childhood where I met a lot of good people who looked the other way as their kids got molested so much I thought it was just what church was about. Not even saying my childhood Hell was typical but it showed me just how blind people can be in their faith. There as preachers preying on poor people and their children right now and you want to let them be the moral compass of the nation.

So....why have you switched to Secular Totalitarianism?


OK…so, so far, if not for government schools, you could consider whether to worship God, or man, to have children or not, and whether there are two sexes, or dozens, and whether the social commitment known as marriage is good for the individual and for society.
Now we see that Totalitarian Secularism gives more than a shrug about the murder of millions.

My religious faith died by a thousand cuts culminating with my sweet mother's horrible, slow and painful death. I didn't switch to anything. God is uncaring and his lousy fan clubs are a drag on society.

So sorry for your loss, and her agony.


And you raise a valid and oft asked question.


Here is one answer:

Milton Steinberg said “The believer in God has to account for the existence of unjust suffering; the atheist has to account for the existence of everything else.”

 

[PoliticalChic]

Soooo.....you never heard about the 100 million men, women and children the Democrat predecessors slaughtered in the last century?

That's government schooling for ya'....


...you dunce.

All I am saying is that religion is at least as corrupt as any other human institution. Since believers tend to be very naive and trusting of clergy it's probably the most corrupt thing in the world. I find more honesty and genuine goodness in a bar room than I ever did in church. Making religious authority figures into infallible and trustworthy conduits to God seems to be an excellent way to get your pocket picked and your children molested.

Let's review..

First you claimed that religion is force on you...and I showed it certainly is not. In fact it is hidden and marginalized by your religion, Secular Totalitarianism

Next, you referred to it being evil, and I showed that there is no historical basis for comparing the numbers slaughtered by your side, to that of religion.



Shouldn't you begin to question why you've been lied to?


And...consider the rest of the comparisons I'm gonna provide in this thread.

Let me straighten you out on something. I learned about religion by living it. I was taken to church by my family every Sunday and Wednesday for my entire childhood where I met a lot of good people who looked the other way as their kids got molested so much I thought it was just what church was about. Not even saying my childhood Hell was typical but it showed me just how blind people can be in their faith. There as preachers preying on poor people and their children right now and you want to let them be the moral compass of the nation.

So....why have you switched to Secular Totalitarianism?


OK…so, so far, if not for government schools, you could consider whether to worship God, or man, to have children or not, and whether there are two sexes, or dozens, and whether the social commitment known as marriage is good for the individual and for society.
Now we see that Totalitarian Secularism gives more than a shrug about the murder of millions.

My religious faith died by a thousand cuts culminating with my sweet mother's horrible, slow and painful death. I didn't switch to anything. God is uncaring and his lousy fan clubs are a drag on society.

"God is uncaring and his lousy fan clubs are a drag on society."

I didn't want to answer that in the same post about your mother.


So....a drag?

The ethical monotheism under discussion is responsible for dragging mankind from paganism to Western Civilization. The brand of theism you have fallen to, Secular Totalitarianism, is leading back to that earlier era....


Now…..as to the secularists leading civilization back to the nature-worship of by ancient Mesopotamian and Near-Eastern cultures and religions, it is easily demonstrated.

"The Earth Is Just as Alive as You Are
Scientists once ridiculed the idea of a living planet. Not anymore.

Life in the Amazon does not simply receive rain — it summons it.

Faced with this preponderance of evidence, it is time to revive an idea that was once roundly mocked: the Gaia hypothesis. Conceived by the British chemist James Lovelock in the early 1970s and later developed with the American biologist Lynn Margulis, the Gaia hypothesis proposes that all the living and nonliving elements of Earth are “parts and partners of a vast being who in her entirety has the power to maintain our planet as a fit and comfortable habitat for life.”

Over time, however, scientific opposition to Gaia waned. In his early writing, Dr. Lovelock occasionally granted Gaia too much agency, which encouraged the misperception that the living Earth was yearning for some optimal state. But the essence of his hypothesis — the idea that life transforms and in many cases regulates the planet — proved prescient and profoundly true. We and all living creatures are not just inhabitants of Earth, we are Earth — an outgrowth of its physical structure and an engine of its global cycles. Although some scientists still recoil at the mention of Gaia, these truths have become part of mainstream science.

“It’s definitely time to revisit Gaia,” said Adam Frank, an astrophysicist at the University of Rochester."
Opinion | The Earth Is Just as Alive as You Are

 

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All I am saying is that religion is at least as corrupt as any other human institution. Since believers tend to be very naive and trusting of clergy it's probably the most corrupt thing in the world. I find more honesty and genuine goodness in a bar room than I ever did in church. Making religious authority figures into infallible and trustworthy conduits to God seems to be an excellent way to get your pocket picked and your children molested.

Let's review..

First you claimed that religion is force on you...and I showed it certainly is not. In fact it is hidden and marginalized by your religion, Secular Totalitarianism

Next, you referred to it being evil, and I showed that there is no historical basis for comparing the numbers slaughtered by your side, to that of religion.



Shouldn't you begin to question why you've been lied to?


And...consider the rest of the comparisons I'm gonna provide in this thread.

Let me straighten you out on something. I learned about religion by living it. I was taken to church by my family every Sunday and Wednesday for my entire childhood where I met a lot of good people who looked the other way as their kids got molested so much I thought it was just what church was about. Not even saying my childhood Hell was typical but it showed me just how blind people can be in their faith. There as preachers preying on poor people and their children right now and you want to let them be the moral compass of the nation.

So....why have you switched to Secular Totalitarianism?


OK…so, so far, if not for government schools, you could consider whether to worship God, or man, to have children or not, and whether there are two sexes, or dozens, and whether the social commitment known as marriage is good for the individual and for society.
Now we see that Totalitarian Secularism gives more than a shrug about the murder of millions.

My religious faith died by a thousand cuts culminating with my sweet mother's horrible, slow and painful death. I didn't switch to anything. God is uncaring and his lousy fan clubs are a drag on society.

So sorry for your loss, and her agony.


And you raise a valid and oft asked question.


Here is one answer:

Milton Steinberg said “The believer in God has to account for the existence of unjust suffering; the atheist has to account for the existence of everything else.”

The question of the existence of God is meaningless since it is unanswerable. I don't waste a lot of time on that anymore. Atheists are every bit as pushy and judgmental as religious people. I reject any belief system that in the end requires one to take the nature of existence itself on faith.

 

[PoliticalChic]

OK…so, so far, if not for government schools, you could consider whether to worship God, or man, to have children or not, and whether there are two sexes, or dozens, and whether the social commitment known as marriage is good for the individual and for society.
Now we see that Totalitarian Secularism gives more than a shrug about the murder of millions.

But wait....there's more!



8. Arguably the greatest gift that the Bible gave to Western Civilization, is in Genesis 1:27 “So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.”

This is the basis of equality, the argument against slavery, and of the intrinsic value of every life.



The other religion, Totalitarian Secularism, sees humans as no dearer than any animal, or a grain of sand. All six version incorporate that view: communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism, and Fascism. It is the basis for collectivizing all the 'grains of sand,' rather than recognizing the uniqueness of each and every individual.





Philosophically, organizationally, and politically the progressives were as close to authentic homegrown fascists as any movement American has ever produced. Militaristic, fanatically nationalist, imperialist, racist, deeply involved in the promotion of Darwinian eugenics, enamored of the Bismarkian welfare state, statist beyond modern reckoning, the progressives represented the American flowering of a transatlantic movement, a profound reorientation toward the Hegelian and Darwinian collectivism imported from Europe at the end of the nineteenth century.
Jonah Goldberg, “Liberal Fascism”


You can’t make Socialists out of individualists — children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming, where everyone is interdependent.
John Dewey

That would be conservatives about whom Dewey is speaking.

 

[Mac1958]

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is this the Gandhi that you worship?

"...Gandhi decided to write Hitler a letter. In the letter, he refers to Hitler as his “friend.” While he condemns Hitler’s war and the actions toward the Jews, he assures Hitler, “Nor do we believe that you are the monster described by your opponents.”

...the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs. As it is, they succumbed anyway in their millions.” He also said that had the Jews committed collective suicide, that would have been “heroism.”
Repudiating Gandhian pacifism in the face of mass murder


You're pretty much a moron, aren't you.


People might take you more seriously if you’d stop dressing as Carmen Miranda with that fruit bowl on your head.

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. On this one demand, both the Judeo-Christian version and the Leftist collectivist religion agree. God demands no other worship…and so do Secular statists, who demand the bending the knee and the neck to government.

In the Ten Commandments found in the Hebrew Bible at Exodus 20:2 and Deuteronomy 5:6, "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me"



And, in Mark, chapter 12: And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

While it appears to be a rule directed at Mesopotamian and Near Eastern religions, it applies to the statist religion of Leftism, as well….it means don’t worship man, or government.




“Even if one does not consider the liberal administrations of the recent past fascist, Mr. Goldberg is correct to see the liberalism of today to be state worship, which built upon the original statist liberalism of the Wilson administration. Mr. Goldberg has, unlike the leftists who yell the term, made the strongest possible case that Americans today live in a soft form of fascism, a statist liberal society whose citizens are unaware of the roots of ideas they hold.
America's 'Fascist Moment' A review of Liberal Fascism




It is a fact of contemporary life that woe betide any who defy or even question the Secular orthodoxy.
They will be attacked, ridicules and their lives ruined.



Secular religion allows no apostasy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Two religions….the Judeo-Christian faith of our Founders…..vs the Rousseau/Hegel/Marx one practiced by Progressives/Liberals/Democrats.


10. Here, a few of the atheistic scientists demand their god be worshiped:

Massimo Pigliucci is the editor in chief for the journal Philosophy & Theory in Biology. He has written: “science is a much more humble enterprise than any religion or other ideology.” Yet, the Richard Dawkins, evolutionary biologist, and atheist-in-chief, has written "It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)."


Peter Atkins, professor of physical chemistry at Oxford, denounced theology, poetry and philosophy and concluded that ’scientists are at the summit of knowledge, beacons of rationality and intellectually honest.’” Of course, he is an ardent atheist. Comical.



“So, it seems that in our time, much of science is involved in an attack on traditional religious thought, and rational men and women must place their faith, and devotion, in this system of belief. And, like any militant church, science places a familiar demand before all others: “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
David Berlinski