Discussion in 'Environment' started by Matthew, Dec 25, 2010.
So we are no longer #1 in carbon emissions? Bummer...
China has a very rapidly growing pollution problem on many fronts.
they will have to change or die.
Really? Look at state of this country in 1970! Los Angeles and other cities smogged in!
Rivers filled with toxic waste and people fishing in them! Are we all dead? Yes we are still paying the price in cancers and who knows what but the human being is a resilant biological wonder. It adapts to things quite well. But in the long run they will have to get a handle on these things and one way is going nuclear, which is what they are doing now. While we go more to coal they go more to clean energy, if you want to classify nuclear as clean.
China's pollution is the direct result of the USA's policies, its time we own up to our problem and clean the mess we made out of China.
And that is without any feedbacks, such as from Arctic Ocean Clathrates and permafrost, or high altitude soil outgassing.
Old Crock supports China's pollution, Old Crock posted the graph that shows the rise in Wind and Solar power components bought from China by Oregon.
All that pollutions it the direct result of Old Crock's ideology, all China's pollution is the direct result of Old Crock supporting Green power. No larger export is coming from China and at this directly to Oregon.
China has 4 times the population of the US. It is impossible for China as of this moment to have a 8 percent growth rate and not to build cheap coal fire plants every week. I expect 8 billion tons a year from just China will be set in 2010 and upwards of 11 by 2015. Agreement or no agreement if the economy keeps growing at the rate it is. Sure some of the richer area's may go over to wind or solar or even nuclear, but most of the country being poor will stick with coal. So will india. I also expect America will rise to 6 billion tons within the next few years as our economy improves. There is NO way in hell we will lower the output of global co2 within the next 10 years. It will follow A1F1 to at least 2030.
With the direct effects of that being felt in 2060. And for several centuries thereafter. By the way, Mathew, 2/3 through the Royal Society report. Thank you again. Much good information there, and the basis of the predictions and cavieats for those predictions provide a good deal of information to ponder.
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