China erects 30 story hotel in 15 days

China is graduating an order of magnitude more engineers every year than we are. They are putting out a lot on money on basic research in many fields. And some of their companies are innovative enough that people like Buffet are putting major money into them.

It is very easy to point out the errors and shoddy products in another nation. We did that with Japan, until they ate our lunch in the automotive market.

I would very much like to see an engineering geologist's assessment of that hotel.

How many Chinese engineers are studying the problem of manmade global warming?

Lots.

I was just at the EXPO 2 years ago. They are going nuts building out houses that are energy efficient..and public transportation.
 
Bashing China out of economic insecurity or just plain racism is foolish and ignorant. Chinese folks and American folks share many qualities. We can become very effective allies as China continues to develop and eventually becomes more politically open and democratic. HOWEVER, there is no reason for blind cheerleading and failing to point out the very serious and potentially deadly weaknesses that still exist there - including what is a superficially new and shiny but ultimately inferior infrastructure. Lefties in the US and Europe were beside themselves over China's quickly built and heavily financed high speed rail system until it almost immediately proved to be fatally flawed.

Is it being scrapped, or upgraded and fixed?

I have worked on many rebuilding projects where a company chose the low bid, and the machinery reflected that fact, and had to be rebuilt in order to function in a manner that was profitable.

And still the managers of the company brag about the bargain they made on the machinery, rather than looking at the fact that they paid a time and an half what the good machinery would have cost by the time we fixed it so the machinery would do what was needed. Managers of whatever nationality do this.


Even if it weren't a deadly heap of crap, there weren't enough people who could afford to ride the thing as priced. Democrats think that's brilliant.
 
Bashing China out of economic insecurity or just plain racism is foolish and ignorant. Chinese folks and American folks share many qualities. We can become very effective allies as China continues to develop and eventually becomes more politically open and democratic. HOWEVER, there is no reason for blind cheerleading and failing to point out the very serious and potentially deadly weaknesses that still exist there - including what is a superficially new and shiny but ultimately inferior infrastructure. Lefties in the US and Europe were beside themselves over China's quickly built and heavily financed high speed rail system until it almost immediately proved to be fatally flawed.

Which high speed rail system?


This one:

China Harsh on Its Rail System in Crash Report - WSJ.com


BBC News - China bullet train crash 'caused by design flaws'


China's high-speed train crash: Interrogating the Party | The Economist
 
Bashing China out of economic insecurity or just plain racism is foolish and ignorant. Chinese folks and American folks share many qualities. We can become very effective allies as China continues to develop and eventually becomes more politically open and democratic. HOWEVER, there is no reason for blind cheerleading and failing to point out the very serious and potentially deadly weaknesses that still exist there - including what is a superficially new and shiny but ultimately inferior infrastructure. Lefties in the US and Europe were beside themselves over China's quickly built and heavily financed high speed rail system until it almost immediately proved to be fatally flawed.

Which high speed rail system? I rode on the maglev..seemed fine.
You rode on the ones the Germans built in Shanghai, I bet. I think he means the ones further out in the hinterlands.
 
Bashing China out of economic insecurity or just plain racism is foolish and ignorant. Chinese folks and American folks share many qualities. We can become very effective allies as China continues to develop and eventually becomes more politically open and democratic. HOWEVER, there is no reason for blind cheerleading and failing to point out the very serious and potentially deadly weaknesses that still exist there - including what is a superficially new and shiny but ultimately inferior infrastructure. Lefties in the US and Europe were beside themselves over China's quickly built and heavily financed high speed rail system until it almost immediately proved to be fatally flawed.

Which high speed rail system? I rode on the maglev..seemed fine.
You rode on the ones the Germans built in Shanghai, I bet. I think he means the ones further out in the hinterlands.


Details....
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That 360 hour figure doesn't include the time it took to build the foundation or, crucially, all the prefabricated parts. "So the claim to a 15-day construction period should not be taken too seriously."

So it wasn't really built in 360 hours.

Do any of you read past the headline?

You must have never worked a construction site. It does not account for the prefab work that went into the materials before they arrived on site.
 


That 360 hour figure doesn't include the time it took to build the foundation or, crucially, all the prefabricated parts. "So the claim to a 15-day construction period should not be taken too seriously."

So it wasn't really built in 360 hours.

Do any of you read past the headline?

You must have never worked a construction site. It does not account for the prefab work that went into the materials before they arrived on site.

Oh but you didnt get the memo???

China is the place to be man...! Communism is the wave of the future now....



 
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Yeah, well ...

Everything's pretty cool in Shanghai and Beijing, but once you get out in the countryside it's a whole other story.

Yup.

That's the one.

Shanghai
I haven't been there since they opened it. Looks like fun, though.

It was..until it blew up causing my firey and untimely death..

Naw..that didn't happen. And Hangzhou is pretty fucking native. Glad I didn't have to use the bathroom..
 
The replacement for the World Trade Center has taken over ten years

True Story

Thanks to politicans and unions.

It's great to break this shit to people that don't live here. But it wasn't Unions. It was the families of the dead that were a drag on construction.

True story. :thup:

They wanted to make the place into a graveyard.

Work Stoppage at World Trade Center - RPA Center for Urban Innovation

Hundreds of unionized concrete workers refused to work Monday at the World Trade Center and a smattering of other sites, setting the stage for a possible strike in the coming days.

The work action stopped construction on part of the World Trade Center's 800,000-square-foot transit hub, according to a person familiar with the matter. Some construction tradesmen continued work there Monday, but a prolonged work stoppage could affect all construction that needs concrete to proceed, according to that person.
Construction proceeded at other sites where workers didn't show up Monday, including the new basketball arena at Atlantic Yards in Brooklyn.

It was not known if a strike vote had been scheduled. The contract covering more than 2,000 concrete workers from three local unions expired on June 30. Since then, the concrete workers have been operating without a new contract.

One looming question remains: If the concrete workers do strike, will other trades cross the picket line?

"I don't think any of the other trades will formally authorize a strike," said Louis Coletti, president of the Building Trades Employers' Association, an umbrella group that represents contractors said Monday. "We won't know till tomorrow."

A source familiar with the matter said labor negotiations were proceeding Monday between the Cement and Concrete Workers District Council representing the concrete workers and the Cement League, a contractors' association that represents management.

"The World Trade Center site should not be held as a bargaining chip in these negotiations," Mr. Coletti said. "Despite differences, they should go to work."

The union declined to comment. Cement League officials could not be reached Monday.

Concrete workers also stopped working at One World Trade Center, slated to be a 104-story office tower, according to another person familiar with the matter. But other construction there will be able to continue for about a week or so.

Monday's work stoppage by the concrete workers union will have "no impact on construction of the 9/11 Memorial, which remains on track to open on the tenth anniversary [of the attacks], and minimal impacts on the site's other projects," said Steve Coleman, a spokesman with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

Contractors have been rushing to complete the 9/11 Memorial, and a delay in that opening could result in a public criticism for both sides.

The work stoppage forced about 600 other World Trade Center laborers to be sent home because construction could not proceed without concrete workers, Mr. Coletti added.

More than 100 workers gathered behind a police barricade set up across the street from the main entrance to the World Trade Center PATH station at West Broadway and Vesey Street, said Chris Montalbano, a concrete worker labor steward who works in the World Trade Center's new transportation hub and is also a representative with Local 6A, one of the three unions representing concrete workers.

Monday's gathering was "not really sanctioned or official," Mr. Montalbano said. If a deal is not reached and ratified, he said the workers will form a picket line Tuesday morning--"out in full force" with signs, which were absent Monday.

Unionized construction workers, including concrete workers, have signed cost-reduction deals referred to as project labor agreements for many projects around the city. These agreements generally forbid a strike. The transit hub and One World Trade Center, however, aren't covered by these agreements, so work stoppages are allowed under labor law.

Other sites around the city reported that concrete workers either showed up late for work on Monday or failed to show up at all, according to people familiar with the matter.

It's unclear how many projects were slowed due to the walkout, or how many laborers refused to work.

Concrete workers failed to show up for work at the Cornell-Weill Medical Center, which is covered by a project labor agreement. An arbitration hearing has been scheduled with the Building & Construction Trades Council of Greater New York to resolve the matter, the person said familiar with the matter said. Cornell did not respond to requests for comment.

More than two dozen union contracts expired in June. Most unions have since signed deals. In addition to cement workers, sheet metal workers still need to hammer out a new deal.

The cost of unionized labor has been a central theme in talks between contractors and the concrete workers, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Contractors want the concrete workers to accept 20% less in wages and benefits for residential construction work versus commercial work, the person said. The unions oppose that.

Concrete workers in New York earned $66.58 an hour in base pay and benefits last year, according to the Engineer New-Record, a trade publication.

"We can't afford the strike [because of the economy], but we can't afford to take a 20% pay cut," said Mr. Montalbano, the concrete worker. "If it was up to me, we should freeze our wages until the economy gets better but don't cut our wages."
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That 360 hour figure doesn't include the time it took to build the foundation or, crucially, all the prefabricated parts. "So the claim to a 15-day construction period should not be taken too seriously."

So it wasn't really built in 360 hours.

Do any of you read past the headline?

Still amazing efficiency. Look at what you would have to pay workers to assemble components in a factory vs what it costs to do the same thing at 20 to 30 stories up. Ironworkers are highly skilled and cost a lot. This construction is very low skilled and is essentially Lego type construction.

I would not underestimate the skill or intelligence of the Chinese. We did the same thing with the Japanese.
Prefab buildings are nothing new. And you have no idea how long it took to pour the foundations and complete the prefabrication.
 
Thanks to politicans and unions.

It's great to break this shit to people that don't live here. But it wasn't Unions. It was the families of the dead that were a drag on construction.

True story. :thup:

They wanted to make the place into a graveyard.

Work Stoppage at World Trade Center - RPA Center for Urban Innovation

Hundreds of unionized concrete workers refused to work Monday at the World Trade Center and a smattering of other sites, setting the stage for a possible strike in the coming days.

The work action stopped construction on part of the World Trade Center's 800,000-square-foot transit hub, according to a person familiar with the matter. Some construction tradesmen continued work there Monday, but a prolonged work stoppage could affect all construction that needs concrete to proceed, according to that person.
Construction proceeded at other sites where workers didn't show up Monday, including the new basketball arena at Atlantic Yards in Brooklyn.

It was not known if a strike vote had been scheduled. The contract covering more than 2,000 concrete workers from three local unions expired on June 30. Since then, the concrete workers have been operating without a new contract.

One looming question remains: If the concrete workers do strike, will other trades cross the picket line?

"I don't think any of the other trades will formally authorize a strike," said Louis Coletti, president of the Building Trades Employers' Association, an umbrella group that represents contractors said Monday. "We won't know till tomorrow."

A source familiar with the matter said labor negotiations were proceeding Monday between the Cement and Concrete Workers District Council representing the concrete workers and the Cement League, a contractors' association that represents management.

"The World Trade Center site should not be held as a bargaining chip in these negotiations," Mr. Coletti said. "Despite differences, they should go to work."

The union declined to comment. Cement League officials could not be reached Monday.

Concrete workers also stopped working at One World Trade Center, slated to be a 104-story office tower, according to another person familiar with the matter. But other construction there will be able to continue for about a week or so.

Monday's work stoppage by the concrete workers union will have "no impact on construction of the 9/11 Memorial, which remains on track to open on the tenth anniversary [of the attacks], and minimal impacts on the site's other projects," said Steve Coleman, a spokesman with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

Contractors have been rushing to complete the 9/11 Memorial, and a delay in that opening could result in a public criticism for both sides.

The work stoppage forced about 600 other World Trade Center laborers to be sent home because construction could not proceed without concrete workers, Mr. Coletti added.

More than 100 workers gathered behind a police barricade set up across the street from the main entrance to the World Trade Center PATH station at West Broadway and Vesey Street, said Chris Montalbano, a concrete worker labor steward who works in the World Trade Center's new transportation hub and is also a representative with Local 6A, one of the three unions representing concrete workers.

Monday's gathering was "not really sanctioned or official," Mr. Montalbano said. If a deal is not reached and ratified, he said the workers will form a picket line Tuesday morning--"out in full force" with signs, which were absent Monday.

Unionized construction workers, including concrete workers, have signed cost-reduction deals referred to as project labor agreements for many projects around the city. These agreements generally forbid a strike. The transit hub and One World Trade Center, however, aren't covered by these agreements, so work stoppages are allowed under labor law.

Other sites around the city reported that concrete workers either showed up late for work on Monday or failed to show up at all, according to people familiar with the matter.

It's unclear how many projects were slowed due to the walkout, or how many laborers refused to work.

Concrete workers failed to show up for work at the Cornell-Weill Medical Center, which is covered by a project labor agreement. An arbitration hearing has been scheduled with the Building & Construction Trades Council of Greater New York to resolve the matter, the person said familiar with the matter said. Cornell did not respond to requests for comment.

More than two dozen union contracts expired in June. Most unions have since signed deals. In addition to cement workers, sheet metal workers still need to hammer out a new deal.

The cost of unionized labor has been a central theme in talks between contractors and the concrete workers, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Contractors want the concrete workers to accept 20% less in wages and benefits for residential construction work versus commercial work, the person said. The unions oppose that.

Concrete workers in New York earned $66.58 an hour in base pay and benefits last year, according to the Engineer New-Record, a trade publication.

"We can't afford the strike [because of the economy], but we can't afford to take a 20% pay cut," said Mr. Montalbano, the concrete worker. "If it was up to me, we should freeze our wages until the economy gets better but don't cut our wages."
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That's an article from 2011. Since 2008 there's been real progress. Before that families were fighting tooth and nail about the design, memorial..and a whole lot of other nonsense that kept it from getting done. I can see the main building from my apartment.

You?
 

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