Chief Justice Roberts Is A Genius

[Lovebears65]

Chief Justice Roberts Is A Genius « White House 2012

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The rightists aren’t taking this well at all.

 

[BDBoop]

No, it's been toddler mania all damn day. I have to call my daughter and tell her I don't know how she does it.

 

[EriktheRed]

No, it's been toddler mania all damn day. I have to call my daughter and tell her I don't know how she does it.

What does she do?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Roberts flipped it back to a tax which is what the O administration said it wasn't.

 

[BDBoop]

She has three children under five, two of which are one day shy of 13 months apart.

 

[EriktheRed]

She has three children under five, two of which are one day shy of 13 months apart.

Aaaaah...

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Right. Because the Dems won't see this coming a mile away. Nice try, Righty Tighties.

 

[BDBoop]

She has three children under five, two of which are one day shy of 13 months apart.

Aaaaah...

Yeah. And with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, nevermind whining and uncontrolled sobbing in here today? I quite feel her pain.

 

[clevergirl]

Chief Justice Roberts Is A Genius « White House 2012

This is also Krauthammers perspective.

Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That’s how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can’t compel American citizens to purchase anything. Ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.

Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax. This is also critical. Recall back during the initial Obama-care battles, the Democrats called it a penalty, Republicans called it a tax. Democrats consistently soft sold it as a penalty. It went to vote as a penalty. Obama declared endlessly, that it was not a tax, it was a penalty. But when the Democrats argued in front of the Supreme Court, they said ‘hey, a penalty or a tax, either way’. So, Roberts gave them a tax. It is now the official law of the land — beyond word-play and silly shenanigans. Obama-care is funded by tax dollars. Democrats now must defend a tax increase to justify the Obama-care law.

Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — ‘comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.’ Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can’t penalize the state by yanking other funding. Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in “national” health-care? Suddenly, it’s not national, is it?

Ultimately, Roberts supported states rights by limiting the federal government’s coercive abilities.

 

[Trajan]

The rightists aren’t taking this well at all.

did you read the link

 

[clevergirl]

"OBAMA: No. That’s not true, George. The — for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase."

No, but — but, George, you — you can’t just make up that language and decide that that’s called a tax increase.

OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam’s Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you’re stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition.

STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.

OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I’m taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we’re going to have an individual mandate or not, but…

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it’s a tax increase?

OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.

The president to George Stephanopoulos September 2009

 

[GuyPinestra]

Chief Justice Roberts Is A Genius « White House 2012

This is also Krauthammers perspective.

Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That’s how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can’t compel American citizens to purchase anything. Ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.

Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax. This is also critical. Recall back during the initial Obama-care battles, the Democrats called it a penalty, Republicans called it a tax. Democrats consistently soft sold it as a penalty. It went to vote as a penalty. Obama declared endlessly, that it was not a tax, it was a penalty. But when the Democrats argued in front of the Supreme Court, they said ‘hey, a penalty or a tax, either way’. So, Roberts gave them a tax. It is now the official law of the land — beyond word-play and silly shenanigans. Obama-care is funded by tax dollars. Democrats now must defend a tax increase to justify the Obama-care law.

Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — ‘comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.’ Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can’t penalize the state by yanking other funding. Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in “national” health-care? Suddenly, it’s not national, is it?

Ultimately, Roberts supported states rights by limiting the federal government’s coercive abilities.

Additionally, tax measures are not subject to filibuster, which means that this albatross of a law can be repealed with only 51 votes in the Senate.

 

[Rozman]

"OBAMA: No. That’s not true, George. The — for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase."

No, but — but, George, you — you can’t just make up that language and decide that that’s called a tax increase.

OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam’s Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you’re stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition.

STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.

OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I’m taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we’re going to have an individual mandate or not, but…

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it’s a tax increase?

OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.

The president to George Stephanopoulos September 2009

And now it is a tax increase or certain aspects will be treated as a tax.
Where is Obama on this issue now.
Is it a tax or not...

As for Roberts I have heard a lot of people today say he ruled the way he did because
he did not want to be the guy to bring Health Care down....

Did he do his job or not?
I really think this is an issue here.

 

[Liability]

I KNEW pa was right when he told me "never trust whitey."

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

She has three children under five, two of which are one day shy of 13 months apart.

Aaaaah...

Yeah. And with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, nevermind whining and uncontrolled sobbing in here today? I quite feel her pain.

I just now got my foot out of my mouth. I have yet to begin gnashing my teeth.

 

[Liability]

The Chief Justice is NOT a genius. He was duplicitous and he was a complete fail today.

The decision was there for the taking. And he personally fucked it up.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Chief Justice Roberts Is A Genius « White House 2012

Roberts punted. Dumped this back in the collective lap of the US Congress. IMO, right where it belongs.
Two points. It labels the ACA as a TAX. Which is has been from the get go. The thing is the ACA bill is actually vulnerable to destruction because it has no sevarability clause Additionally the law may be invalid because it was never offered to a Budget committee which is a requirement for all bills pertaining to taxation and budgetary legislation.
Second, the Congress will have to do something about it. Should the GOP score wins in November, I would imagine the first order of business once the legislative session begins is to work on repealing, gutting or defunding Obamacare.
This is NOT over yet.
In fact, this ruling by the SCOTUS and the ACA itself should be hung around Obama's neck like an albatross.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Here's another perspective:

George Will: Supreme Court gives conservatives a consolation prize - The Washington Post

O and congress told us there was no tax. The Supreme Court just ruled that there was a massive tax in the act.

 

[BDBoop]

Aaaaah...

Yeah. And with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, nevermind whining and uncontrolled sobbing in here today? I quite feel her pain.

I just now got my foot out of my mouth. I have yet to begin gnashing my teeth.

Would that you were the one I was speaking of.

No, there's an entire day care full of butt hurt - - - OOH!!

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