Chicago shutters infamous public housing complex

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Chicago closes infamous public housing complex - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
By KAREN HAWKINS


CHICAGO — To some, Cabrini-Green's infamous high-rises were a symbol of urban blight — towering testaments to the failure of Chicago public housing to safely give shelter to the poorest of the poor. But to the last residents being rousted from the last building, Cabrini-Green was simply home. Homes are owned by the resident.

The closure of Cabrini's high-rises marks the end of an ugly era in public housing. The 70-acre development was initially hailed as a salvation for the city's poor that was emulated nationwide. But it quickly decayed into a virtual war-zone, the kind of place where little boys were gunned down on their way to school and little girls were sexually assaulted and left for dead in stairwells.


But the buildings weren't well-maintained, and crime, gangs and drugs soon became rampant. There's a shock. Liberals built it then didn't take care of it.

Along with changing the city's public housing system, the transformation plan has brought the political legacy of the powerful Daley family full circle. The elder Mayor Richard J. Daley is blamed for overseeing development of the high-rises decades ago, while his son, the current Mayor Richard M. Daley, has spent the last decade tearing them down and relocating residents. Gotta love the Daleys, no one family has better mob connections than them.


Some resisting the move Alther Harris, 67, has lived in Cabrini for more than 30 years and considers it home. She moved to Cabrini's last high-rise a year ago from a building that has since been demolished. She said the series of recent moves have been "very, very stressful," she said.

"You can't clean up right, you can't cook right, you can't eat right because you know that day is coming," said Harris, who lives with her daughter and three grandchildren. "It keeps a person's mind confused not really knowing what's coming next."
awww, you poor poor baby. We took care of you and your kids for 30 years, and your complaining that your gonna get moved to a new place. there there, don't you fret none, big daddy liberal gonna get you a lawyer so you can sue big daddy government for all that mean ol' stress.


Former Cabrini residents also have been offered vouchers for private apartments.


Kenneth Hammond said the townhome he was offered wasn't done being rehabbed and had boards on its door and cracked windows. The private apartment he and his family were shown looked nice during the day, but the neighborhood turned unsafe at night, he said.

"What we as residents want to do is be accommodated right and leave the building with pride and dignity," Hammond said. "We just want to be treated fairly."

I had to stop reading there. I'm certain there more of this victum mentallity in this tripe, but I'm getting pissed off.

Nearly 70 years of this shit and nothing has gotten better, so the fools on the left want to do it harder, thinking it will work this time.
 
A bunch of years ago the city of Chicago and HUD or some other federal agency thought they'd be nice to the denizens of Cabrini-Green by adding air conditioning to each apartment. To do so they had to cut holes in the walls and stick a a/c unit into it, much like you see in some motels. It was a very expensive undertaking that ran into the millions.

Within a couple of years or so the majority of the apartments had no a/c. Some units were just broken but most of them didn't exist any more. The tenants had removed them and sold them, which was a big boom to local duct tape sales that was used to secure the cardboard over the hole in the wall. Guess what happened to burglary rates once all the bad guys had to do was kick or cut their way through cardboard?
 
Entitlement programs don't work. You can't just give people things because they WANT them, and expect them to know what to do with them. People who have to earn things have an understanding of what it takes to maintain their property and because they are constricted by their budget, cannot get into a mess buying things that they can't keep up.

Here a few years ago, the DEQ and various establishments decided it would be a good idea to get rid of troublesome wood stoves and replace them with monitor oil stoves.

Well that's just great...except the people they targeted were the poorest of the poor. They yanked out the wood stoves - and most people around here can find something to burn in a wood stove to keep warm...and put in these nice oil stoves. Which require both electricity and oil to run. Then oil and electricity both jumped exponentially. I have one of the higher paying jobs in my county, and I don't run mine. It's ridiculous...I'd pay over $300 for heat. But I don't have a wood stove for back up..and neither do most of the poor, disabled, and elderly in my community. When the electricity goes out, they go cold. When they don't have money for oil, they're cold. It's criminal.
 
A bunch of years ago the city of Chicago and HUD or some other federal agency thought they'd be nice to the denizens of Cabrini-Green by adding air conditioning to each apartment. To do so they had to cut holes in the walls and stick a a/c unit into it, much like you see in some motels. It was a very expensive undertaking that ran into the millions.

Within a couple of years or so the majority of the apartments had no a/c. Some units were just broken but most of them didn't exist any more. The tenants had removed them and sold them, which was a big boom to local duct tape sales that was used to secure the cardboard over the hole in the wall. Guess what happened to burglary rates once all the bad guys had to do was kick or cut their way through cardboard?

Why am I not surprised?

My Dad knew someone that built a tenament highrise, he truly wanted to help the poor, and made sure they got the best that he could afford.

About 2 months after it opened he was sued by the tenants b/c they didn't have working toilets or sinks.

The had sold all the faucets and ripped the copper piping out of the walls.

He lost the suit, but had the placed condemed instead of paying to fix, what he now knew, would just be broken.
 
Cabrini Green was horrible, it was notorious for crime. That projects was filled with criminals taking advantage of the innocent people that did live there, it should have been closed long ago. The thing is closing the projects down does nothing but move the criminal elements to other places and the crime rates will escalate in the areas they do move to unfortunatly, I've seen this happen in Los Angeles and other places when they closed their projects.
 
A bunch of years ago the city of Chicago and HUD or some other federal agency thought they'd be nice to the denizens of Cabrini-Green by adding air conditioning to each apartment. To do so they had to cut holes in the walls and stick a a/c unit into it, much like you see in some motels. It was a very expensive undertaking that ran into the millions.

Within a couple of years or so the majority of the apartments had no a/c. Some units were just broken but most of them didn't exist any more. The tenants had removed them and sold them, which was a big boom to local duct tape sales that was used to secure the cardboard over the hole in the wall. Guess what happened to burglary rates once all the bad guys had to do was kick or cut their way through cardboard?

Thats life in the projects, its another world in there. I been to some apartments in the projects that were decked out in nice carpets with new furniture, televisions, fish bowls etc and than I went into some that made you feel like you were in Haiti. Those people are so desperate they don't know how to act when someone tries to do something nice for them.
 
The liberal utopia bites the dust. color me shocked

Chicago closes infamous public housing complex - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
By KAREN HAWKINS

I thought they had pulled the plug on the CG a while back....:eusa_eh:


oops I see it the last high rise goes down in Jan.....

epic fail. people will not be engineered like blocks of wood ....so where are the gov.central planners, academics, intellectuals and innocently ignorant do gooders who pushed this nonsense now? Exactly..........thats why we keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over.
 
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A bunch of years ago the city of Chicago and HUD or some other federal agency thought they'd be nice to the denizens of Cabrini-Green by adding air conditioning to each apartment. To do so they had to cut holes in the walls and stick a a/c unit into it, much like you see in some motels. It was a very expensive undertaking that ran into the millions.

Within a couple of years or so the majority of the apartments had no a/c. Some units were just broken but most of them didn't exist any more. The tenants had removed them and sold them, which was a big boom to local duct tape sales that was used to secure the cardboard over the hole in the wall. Guess what happened to burglary rates once all the bad guys had to do was kick or cut their way through cardboard?

Thats life in the projects, its another world in there. I been to some apartments in the projects that were decked out in nice carpets with new furniture, televisions, fish bowls etc and than I went into some that made you feel like you were in Haiti. Those people are so desperate they don't know how to act when someone tries to do something nice for them.

We need to let people be. They are not plants that need constant tending. I have always felt that if you offered just enough to live, but plenty of help on how to get out, things like this would thin out [poverty will never end]. And then those people would be able to have the pride to say they made it, they did it. When they went home they would go to thier home, when they ate, they were eating thier food, bought by them.

but hey, why bother trying to instill pride when we can pay to move the criminals to a nicer part of town.
 
Thats life in the projects, its another world in there. I been to some apartments in the projects that were decked out in nice carpets with new furniture, televisions, fish bowls etc and than I went into some that made you feel like you were in Haiti. Those people are so desperate they don't know how to act when someone tries to do something nice for them.

wasn't always.
 
The liberal utopia bites the dust. color me shocked

Chicago closes infamous public housing complex - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
By KAREN HAWKINS

I thought they had pulled the plug on the CG a while back....:eusa_eh:


oops I see it the last high rise goes down in Jan.....

epic fail. people will not be engineered like blocks of wood ....so where are the gov.central planners, academics, intellectuals and innocently ignorant do gooders who pushed this nonsense now? Exactly..........thats why we keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over.

Money spent to buy votes.

That's the Chicago way.
 
The liberal utopia bites the dust. color me shocked

Chicago closes infamous public housing complex - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
By KAREN HAWKINS

I thought they had pulled the plug on the CG a while back....:eusa_eh:


oops I see it the last high rise goes down in Jan.....

epic fail. people will not be engineered like blocks of wood ....so where are the gov.central planners, academics, intellectuals and innocently ignorant do gooders who pushed this nonsense now? Exactly..........thats why we keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over.

Most of Cabrini has been gone for years, Robert Taylor too. Both South and Near West Sides are going through gentrification. I haven't a clue to where the poor people are going.

As someone said at the beginning, high rises were an example of 'unintended consequences.' They never thought through the ramifications of little kids and elevator buildings-they reeked of urine from the get go. Granted the fire safety couldn't be denied, but they were cities filled with a combination of young kids, many unemployed teen boys, (aka gangbangers), the elderly.

Somehow they couldn't predict the outcome?
 
Anyone that goes by ANY public housing project sees what eventually happens to them...they get run down, infested with thuggery...and they are closed.

This is what happens when you just give people something. The responsibility factor goes to ZERO...and the looks of the place follow suit.

Taxpayers should DEMAND accounability from those that inhabit these places and from those that enable the funding, and from those that run them.

Otherwise? Just another swirling vortex of doom and desparation that eats money. Socialism on the march.
 
The liberal utopia bites the dust. color me shocked

Chicago closes infamous public housing complex - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
By KAREN HAWKINS

I thought they had pulled the plug on the CG a while back....:eusa_eh:


oops I see it the last high rise goes down in Jan.....

epic fail. people will not be engineered like blocks of wood ....so where are the gov.central planners, academics, intellectuals and innocently ignorant do gooders who pushed this nonsense now? Exactly..........thats why we keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over.

Most of Cabrini has been gone for years, Robert Taylor too. Both South and Near West Sides are going through gentrification. I haven't a clue to where the poor people are going.

thats a very good question, one would think the leftys who bemoan the evil reps hating on the homeless would be all over this...but then again that would require introspection and admitting they tore it down because their polices didn't work.

so the question stands...where did they all go? gotta be talking what min. 1000 and maybe abut 5 k people all told?


As someone said at the beginning, high rises were an example of 'unintended consequences.' They never thought through the ramifications of little kids and elevator buildings-they reeked of urine from the get go. Granted the fire safety couldn't be denied, but they were cities filled with a combination of young kids, many unemployed teen boys, (aka gangbangers), the elderly.

Somehow they couldn't predict the outcome?

no because they admit nothing, they are never held to account..wheres their mia culpas? ,..you cannot throw a stone here or any forum without hitting a thread on boooosh and he lied and won't admit the wmds never where found...well, whats about their social policies blowing up in their faces?

nope, you see the system is broken, or we didn't do enough to help those unfortunates, didn't spend enough etc. who only became more unfortunate once the gov. showed up to 'help'.

wheres all those luminaries ( and the suckers who believed them) who were told how smart they were and how they had the answers and based on their 50's and early 60's waling that the system was tilted against the 'poor' so they had to send in the government!!!!!!!more $$$$$$$$.....?

of course the system became broken only after the fail become so huge they were caught in a quandary, they could not go backwards because that would require admitting they screwed up or were wrong, the new story was and became- the system is fundamentally broken, there by recusing themselves from any responsibility for the prgms. they pushed that broke the people who they gamed based on their ' bubbled intellectualism'.

I wonder if theres an old framed picture of say Michael Harrington that got bulldozed, left behind, hanging in the lobby of one of those hellholes?
 
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I thought they had pulled the plug on the CG a while back....:eusa_eh:


oops I see it the last high rise goes down in Jan.....

epic fail. people will not be engineered like blocks of wood ....so where are the gov.central planners, academics, intellectuals and innocently ignorant do gooders who pushed this nonsense now? Exactly..........thats why we keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over.

Most of Cabrini has been gone for years, Robert Taylor too. Both South and Near West Sides are going through gentrification. I haven't a clue to where the poor people are going.

thats a very good question, one would think the leftys who bemoan the evil reps hating on the homeless would be all over this...but then again that would require introspection and admitting they tore it down because their polices didn't work.

so the question stands...where did they all go? gotta be talking what min. 1000 and maybe abut 5 k people all told?


As someone said at the beginning, high rises were an example of 'unintended consequences.' They never thought through the ramifications of little kids and elevator buildings-they reeked of urine from the get go. Granted the fire safety couldn't be denied, but they were cities filled with a combination of young kids, many unemployed teen boys, (aka gangbangers), the elderly.

Somehow they couldn't predict the outcome?

no because they admit nothing, they are never held to account..wheres their mia culpas? ,..you cannot throw a stone here or any forum without hitting a thread on boooosh and he lied and won't admit the wmds never where found...well, whats about their social policies blowing up in their faces?

nope, you see the system is broken, or we didn't do enough to help those unfortunates, didn't spend enough etc. who only became more unfortunate once the gov. showed up to 'help'.

wheres all those luminaries ( and the suckers who believed them) who were told how smart they were and how they had the answers and based on their 50's and early 60's waling that the system was tilted against the 'poor' so they had to send in the government!!!!!!!more $$$$$$$$.....?

of course the system became broken only after the fail become so huge they were caught in a quandary, they could not go backwards because that would require admitting they screwed up or were wrong, the new story was and became- the system is fundamentally broken, there by recusing themselves from any responsibility for the prgms. they pushed that broke the people who they gamed based on their ' bubbled intellectualism'.

I wonder if theres an old framed picture of say Michael Harrington that got bulldozed, left behind, hanging in the lobby of one of those hellholes?

“The Great Society rests on abundance and liberty for all. It demands an end to poverty and racial injustice, to which we are totally committed in our time.”

—President Lyndon Baines Johnson, May 22, 1964
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(Heritage)

But yet since the time of Johnson, and FDR...the problem grows worse...more are going into poverty...and the government screams for MORE.​

Perhaps Government isn't the best solution...for even the same govenment grows exponentially with the problem.​

Something has to give.

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""For you always have the poor with you; but you do not always have Me..." ~Jesus Christ

The answer lies within the quote...forced servitude unto the poor via government is NOT the answer. People tend to bolt when forced to give against their consent.
 
There are tons of eye soar projects all across the USA that were never finished because of the economic collapse. It's obvious that the country built more than it needed or the public demanded. I don't think this is hard to understand.
 
If big government wants to control something, why don't they try putting some grips on the out-of-control costs of real estate. How does land that costs so little 30 years ago, cost so much now? It's dirt...why does the house I grew up in cost 170,000 now but when my parents bought it, they only paid 39,000? I've been through the neighborhood recently, I can assure you that the value of the home is not because the area has improved. It's sad really. There's 6 houses on our old street for sale. I drove around the block and counted 8 more. It was a GREAT neighborhood when I was a kid. I doubt I'd move back there, even if the owner of my old house called and said, "Hey, you grew up here...so I want to give you the house back...no strings attached. All you have to do is move right in." I couldn't (and wouldn't) do it.

But I digress...the housing market has failed for many reasons. We've all pointed out who we want to blame. But very few of us have ever pointed toward the fact that real estate is just absolutely insane expensive...yet they KEEP building houses!!! Houses that most American's can't afford today.
 
If big government wants to control something, why don't they try putting some grips on the out-of-control costs of real estate. How does land that costs so little 30 years ago, cost so much now? It's dirt...why does the house I grew up in cost 170,000 now but when my parents bought it, they only paid 39,000? I've been through the neighborhood recently, I can assure you that the value of the home is not because the area has improved. It's sad really. There's 6 houses on our old street for sale. I drove around the block and counted 8 more. It was a GREAT neighborhood when I was a kid. I doubt I'd move back there, even if the owner of my old house called and said, "Hey, you grew up here...so I want to give you the house back...no strings attached. All you have to do is move right in." I couldn't (and wouldn't) do it.

But I digress...the housing market has failed for many reasons. We've all pointed out who we want to blame. But very few of us have ever pointed toward the fact that real estate is just absolutely insane expensive...yet they KEEP building houses!!! Houses that most American's can't afford today.

There are few things that go up in value as they get older.

Land is one of them

You can have the worst credit, if you own an acre of land you can get a loan.


My wife and I went to see her childhood home, when we got there I wouldn't let her out and was shocked that it was so bad. She told me it wasn't like that growing up. In 10 years the middle of "da hood" passed by that area. The whole city went to crap and you could tell where the people with money started living.
 

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