Cheney's Hunting Accident

[Hagbard Celine]

released/leaked----big damn difference

Haha, you're the one who made the original comment dude.

The issue here is that the VP's office DIDN'T talk to the press--they left it up to a private Texas woman to release the story.

It's ridiculous that this story became breaking news before the VP's office had even made a public statement.

I'm watching FOX News right now and they are totally spinning this whole thing. Turn it to CNN--they aren't "outraged" by any means. They are questioning why the story wasn't released by the VP's office within 24 hours of the incident.

 

[dilloduck]

Haha, you're the one who made the original comment dude.

The issue here is that the VP's office DIDN'T talk to the press--they left it up to a private Texas woman to release the story.

It's ridiculous that this story became breaking news before the VP's office had even made a public statement.

I'm watching FOX News right now and they are totally spinning this whole thing. Turn it to CNN--they aren't "outraged" by any means. They are questioning why the story wasn't released by the VP's office within 24 hours of the incident.

Yes--I did make the original statement and there IS a big difference between using the word "leak" instead of "release". "Leak" implies wrong doing and that's the word YOU used.
I saw the news conference--you didn't. I will trust my assesment of the story WAY before I will listen to you relay it to me after hearing it on CNN.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Yes--I did make the original statement and there IS a big difference between using the word "leak" instead of "release". "Leak" implies wrong doing and that's the word YOU used.
I saw the news conference--you didn't. I will trust my assesment of the story WAY before I will listen to you relay it to me after hearing it on CNN.

Sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic. I don't think the differences in the words are that drastic--especially in the context we're using them in. "Leaked" isn't strictly confined to situations involving wrongdoing. It can be used in the context I used it in.

I have seen the press conference and read the transcript as well as about ten different print stories and I've seen the coverage on CNN, CNN Headline and Fox News.

I'm tired of arguing this same thing over and over with you. You have my opinion on the matter--and since you refuse to provide actual instances of what you claim has been the American press' malicious and purpose-driven conspiracy to ruin the reputation of our great country, then of course you're not going to change my opinion.

Consider me done with this thread.

 

[dilloduck]

Sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic. I don't think the differences in the words are that drastic--especially in the context we're using them in. "Leaked" isn't strictly confined to situations involving wrongdoing. It can be used in the context I used it in.

I have seen the press conference and read the transcript as well as about ten different print stories and I've seen the coverage on CNN, CNN Headline and Fox News.

I'm tired of arguing this same thing over and over with you. You have my opinion on the matter--and since you refuse to provide actual instances of what you claim has been the American press' malicious and purpose-driven conspiracy to ruin the reputation of our great country, then of course you're not going to change my opinion.

Consider me done with this thread.

You were done before you started if you think the medias' goal is to present a factual and accurate picture of the news to the American public.

 

[theHawk]

Is it possible to impeach the VP? Let the movement start -

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney apparently broke the No. 1 rule of hunting: Be sure of what you're shooting at. He also violated Texas game law by failing to buy a hunting stamp.


Cheney wounded fellow hunter Harry Whittington in the face, neck and chest Saturday, apparently because he didn't see Whittington approaching as he fired on a covey of quail in Texas.

Hunting safety experts interviewed Monday agreed it would have been a good idea for Whittington to announce himself — something he apparently didn't do, according to a witness. But they stressed that the shooter is responsible for avoiding other people.

"It's incumbent upon the shooter to assess the situation and make sure it's a safe shot," said Mark Birkhauser, president-elect of the International Hunter Education Association and hunter education coordinator in New Mexico. "Once you squeeze that trigger, you can't bring that shot back."

The Parks and Wildlife Department said Cheney and Whittington will be given warning citations for violating game law by not having an upland game bird stamp, a requirement that went into effect in September. Cheney had a $125 nonresident hunting license, the vice president's office said Monday night in a statement, and has sent a $7 check to cover the cost of the stamp.

Cheney, an experienced hunter, has not commented publicly about the accident. He avoided reporters by leaving an Oval Office meeting with United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan before the press was escorted in.

President Bush was told about Cheney's involvement in the accident shortly before 8 p.m. Saturday — about an hour after it occurred — but the White House did not disclose the accident until Sunday afternoon, and then only in response to press questions. Press secretary Scott McClellan said he did not know until Sunday morning that Cheney had shot someone.

Facing a press corps upset that news had been withheld, McClellan said, "I think you can always look back at these issues and look at how to do a better job."

Katharine Armstrong, the owner of the ranch where the shooting occurred, said she told Cheney on Sunday morning that she was going to inform the local paper, the Corpus Christi Caller-Times. She said he agreed, and the newspaper reported it on its Web site Sunday afternoon.

Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said that about an hour after Cheney shot Whittington, the head of the Secret Service's local office called the Kenedy County sheriff to report the accident. "They made arrangements at the sheriff's request to have deputies come out and interview the vice president the following morning at 8 a.m. and that indeed did happen," Zahren said.

At least one deputy showed up at the ranch's front gate later in the evening and asked to speak to Cheney but was turned away by the Secret Service, Zahren said. There was some miscommunication that arrangements had already been made to interview the vice president, he said.

Gilbert San Miguel, chief deputy sheriff for Kenedy County, said the report had not been completed Monday and that it was being handled as a hunting accident, although he would not comment about what that meant they were investigating.

He said his department's investigation had found that alcohol was not a factor in the shooting, but he would not elaborate about how that had been determined. The Texas Parks and Wildlife hunting accident report also said neither Cheney nor Whittington appeared to be under the influence of intoxicants or drugs.

Whittington, a prominent Republican attorney in the Texas capital of Austin, was in stable condition at Christus Spohn Hospital Corpus Christi-Memorial and was moved from intensive care to a "step-down unit" Monday. Doctors decided to leave several birdshot pellets lodged in his skin rather than try to remove them.

Armstrong said the accident occurred toward the end of the hunt, as darkness was encroaching and they were preparing to go inside. Whittington was retrieving from tall grass a bird he had shot.

Cheney and another hunter, Pamela Willeford, the U.S. ambassador to Switzerland, moved on to another covey of quail — Armstrong estimated it was roughly 100-150 yards away — and Cheney fired on a bird just as Whittington rejoined them. She said Whittington was in tall grass and thick brush about 30 yards away, which made it difficult for Cheney to see him, although both men were wearing bright-orange safety vests. She said Whittington made a mistake by not vocally announcing that he had walked up to rejoin the hunting line.

Armstrong said she saw Cheney's security detail running toward the scene. "The first thing that crossed my mind was he had a heart problem," she told The Associated Press.

She said Cheney stayed "close but cool" while the agents and medical personnel treated Whittington, then took him away via ambulance to the hospital. Later, the hunting group sat down for dinner while Whittington was being treated, receiving updates from a family member at the hospital. Armstrong described Cheney's demeanor during dinner as "very worried."

Duane Harvey, president of the Wisconsin Hunter Education Instructors Association, said if Whittington had made his presence known "that would have been a polite thing to do." But, he added, "it's still the fault upon the shooter to identify his target and what is beyond it."

Despite all the safety tips and training, hunting accidents are an unfortunate part of the sport. In Texas, there were 30 accidents and two hunting deaths last year, according to the state Parks and Wildlife Department. National figures kept by the International Hunter Education Association show 744 shooting accidents, with 74 deaths, in 2002, the last year for which figures were available. Twenty-six accidents involving quail hunting were reported.

The association estimates there are 15.7 million hunters who will spend about 250 million days hunting in the United States this year.

Wyoming Gov. Dave Freudenthal, a Democrat, said the accident wouldn't keep him from going on a bipartisan hunt with Cheney. "I would be proud to hunt with the vice president — cautious, but proud," he told reporters.

He broke the law.







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[Gunny]

You were done before you started if you think the medias' goal is to present a factual and accurate picture of the news to the American public.

Must be a first. This twice in one day I've agreed with you. The press presents events from the point of view of its own agenda.

HC wants an example ...... how about the fact that all the news we get from Iraq is negative; yet, there are many positive things going unreported. I talk to young Marines and soldiers on base all the time and they are bewildered whent hey first get back. For some reason they think they're winning until they come back and find out what the media has to say on the matter.

That isn't malicious intent to sell an agenda?

 

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[5stringJeff]

One of the late-night shows had this to say about the whole thing:

"Dick Cheney shot a lawyer... his approval rating is now 92%!"

 

[Working Man]

To working man...Clinton has nothing to do with the VP's hunting accident. Neither does that doof Kerry. But if you're going to bring up "staged press events" and make out like only Dems do it, maybe you should keep this little tidbit in mind:

Bill Clinton enjoyed a certain freedom, from the media,that the current doof doesn't have. I would be wrong to say it is only the dems blowing smoke, even though they are great at it,,, but they had a good run as well. The extent of Bill's cozey relationship with China may not be exposed too soon so long as people like George W are allowing the powers that be to fleece America. Sorry fellow republicans, this guy is making it too easy for some douchebag like Hillary to get elected. So, he has very little use to the longevity of this country. He pissed his allotment of political capitol, credit, or what ever you want to call it, down the drain. It can't be denied that he has little to bank on with a couple of years left in office.

The bottom line, yes the American People have the right to know, but,, I will not grant the media cart blanche every time they smell a story. F' them. I saw some skin pole smoker today trying to best the White House Press Secretary, he didn't do too well. TO me, the more important issues effecting America are going un covered, or just poorly covered, by the media. Why???

 

[Avatar4321]

To working man...Clinton has nothing to do with the VP's hunting accident. Neither does that doof Kerry. But if you're going to bring up "staged press events" and make out like only Dems do it, maybe you should keep this little tidbit in mind:

Bill Clinton enjoyed a certain freedom, from the media,that the current doof doesn't have. I would be wrong to say it is only the dems, but they had a good run as well. The extent of Bill's cozey relationship with China may not be exposed too soon so long as people like George W are allowing the powers that be to fleece America. Sorry fellow republicans, this guy is making it too easy for some douchebag like Hillary to get elected. So, he has very little use. He pissed his allotment of political capitol, credit, or what ever you want to call it, down the drain.

The bottom line, yes the American People have the right to know, but I will not grant the media cart blanche every time they smell a story. F' them. I saw some skin pole smoker today trying to best the White House Press Secretary, he didn't do too well. TO me, the more important issues effecting America are going un covered, poorly covered, by the media. Why???

The American people do know. Cheney accident shot one of his friends while hunting. What is there that the people don't know? What the heck is there to cover up about this?

I think this whole episode explains why no one takes the media seriously. They think this is a major story. Meanwhile Al Gore lies about America in Saudi Arabia at a conference sponsored by a the Osama family corporation and we hardly hear a peep.

 

[Working Man]

The American people do know. Cheney accident shot one of his friends while hunting. What is there that the people don't know? What the heck is there to cover up about this?

I think this whole episode explains why no one takes the media seriously. They think this is a major story. Meanwhile Al Gore lies about America in Saudi Arabia at a conference sponsored by a the Osama family corporation and we hardly hear a peep.

I agree with you.. That is why I feel that the media is loving the fact that a republican is involved in a tragic event. I hope the friend makes a speedy recovery and starts to advertise for Aflac, or something just to piss off the left...

I think Cheney is a smart man. (didn't say I trust him but this is the guy I wan't on "point",,, just as Col. Jeffers, the character in A FEW GOOD MEN,,,
Even on a bad day, such as he is having now,, I would take Cheney over that dope Al Gore.

Accidents do happen. How many people get beaned by golf balls every day?? How many get clocked by baseballs every day?? How many kids drown in five gallon plastic pails???? Wouldn't it be just as tragic to have a kid killed/injured by a runaway mail truck??? Just happened yesterday...

 

[Working Man]

Is it possible to impeach the VP? Let the movement start -




He broke the law.



Yep, he sure did. But keep in mind that the law that was broken, not purchasing a license, has nothing to do with keeping another person out of the firing range of another hunter, now does it? It is just one more goof.. I would believe that in some states, hunting on private property precludes fees and permits that would normally be required while hunting on public land.. But, I could be wrong..

And this accident is going to be a pain in my ass for the next few years.. Why? Cause as a defender of the 2nd Amendment, I will have to downplay the obvious,the accident, to those who haven't a clue where to even find a copy of the Constitution. And for the record, gun ownership, and the right to bare arms, has got nothing to do with hunting. :firing:

But you know,,, what makes me more nervous,, is the fact that the US government allows assholes to talk on their f'n cell phones and drive a vehicle at the same time.. Every day I have to dodge jerk offs and sloppy split tails who are too busy bullshitting with some other dope, while "connected" . They are too selfish to drive safely on the highways of this country.

NOW FOR ALL THE ANTI CHENEY, ANTI REPUBLICANS OUT THERE<< WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 86 CAR PILE UP IN MICHIGAN YESTERDAY??? THERE IS NO REASON FOR PEOPLE TO TRAVEL THAT FAST, OR THAT CLOSE FOR THAT TO HAVE HAPPENED!! CASTRATION AND MUTILATION FOR THOSE WHO WERE INVOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :dev1:

 

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[Jimmyeatworld]

Just to throw it out there: The media seems to be having a conniption fit over the fact that they weren't informed immediately about what happened. Okay, then where was the outrage when Harry Reid had a stroke and the media wasn't informed for four days? What were the Democrats trying to 'cover up"?

 

[dilloduck]

Just to throw it out there: The media seems to be having a conniption fit over the fact that they weren't informed immediately about what happened. Okay, then where was the outrage when Harry Reid had a stroke and the media wasn't informed for four days? What were the Democrats trying to 'cover up"?

It's all about the press. They received a piece of news and contort it, spin it, sharpen it until it's wicked enough to stab someone with it. The NEXT time they get a piece of news they bitch because they got it too late. If they treated me like they do the Bush adminstration, all of my news releases (if there were any) would be posted on USMB. They are lying leeches who need to learn how to report a news item correctly before they get another.

 

[manu1959]

Just to throw it out there: The media seems to be having a conniption fit over the fact that they weren't informed immediately about what happened. Okay, then where was the outrage when Harry Reid had a stroke and the media wasn't informed for four days? What were the Democrats trying to 'cover up"?

that harry didn't have a brain?

 

[theHawk]

I have a new theory. Maybe Cheney thought he was shooting at Kerry.

:firing:

 

[dilloduck]

I have a new theory. Maybe Cheney thought he was shooting at Kerry.

:firing:

:shocked: damn---you may have something there !!!

 

[dilloduck]

The truth is finally seeping out. All the liberal big wigs are saying this is merely an example of how secretive the Bush administration operates all the time.

 

[krisy]

My gosh,I'm flipping channels and have stumbled on Keith Oberman's show on MSNBC. I normally don't wath this show because it's absolutely horrible,but they are talking about Cheney. Of course,they are discussing all the discrepancies in the story,along with how bad Cheney handled this. Whoever the guy is being interviewed says Cheney is known for trying to hide things!!! My gosh,they are insane. I just cannot believe they are going this far. They act like Cheney shot a personal relative of theirs and they are out to punish him.

My mom was telling me earlier on the phone that Cheney did an interview with Britt Hume. Boy,I bet that pissed the other media off-BIG. He goes to Fox and interviews with a thought to be Republican anchor-I love it!!!! I will have to watch thee rerun of the interview tho-I missed it.