Cheney had major heart surgery

[Sinatra]

is that supposed to be english of some type?

i suspect, btw, that if you actually look at what funded the creation of the device that is keeping cheney alive, the research was probably largely backed by government grants.

try again.

Oh reeeeaaaaaalllllyyyyyy?????

Thoratec Corp.



Ya'll so dumb they jus ain't na sport in it na mer....

hey, you're the one who can't speak english.

and i suspect you'll find some government contracts in there somewhere, freak.

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Circling yer own tail again are yah?

Thoratec is a $2.5 billion dollar company - and responsible for the lions share of VAD technology.

They will sell this technology all over the world - but its produced here in the good ole USA because that is where medical innovation allows for PROFIT.

Without this motivation, this device would most likely not exist and tens of thousands of Americans and tens of thousands more around the world would die of heart failure.

You best do some more learnin' on this subject pardo - yer lookin mahhhhtiiiiii foolish 'bout now...

 

[Sinatra]

THOR stock quote - Thoratec Corporation stock price - NASDAQ.com

 

[DiveCon]

Oh reeeeaaaaaalllllyyyyyy?????

Thoratec Corp.



Ya'll so dumb they jus ain't na sport in it na mer....

hey, you're the one who can't speak english.

and i suspect you'll find some government contracts in there somewhere, freak.

____



Circling yer own tail again are yah?

Thoratec is a $2.5 billion dollar company - and responsible for the lions share of VAD technology.

They will sell this technology all over the world - but its produced here in the good ole USA because that is where medical innovation allows for PROFIT.

Without this motivation, this device would most likely not exist and tens of thousands of Americans and tens of thousands more around the world would die of heart failure.

You best do some more learnin' on this subject pardo - yer lookin mahhhhtiiiiii foolish 'bout now...

a quick search seems to show they either gave or received some kind of grant

 

[jillian]

THOR stock quote - Thoratec Corporation stock price - NASDAQ.com

clearly you have no understading of research grants, government contracts or anything else.

you're useless as boobs on a bull.

perhaps after you learn to speak english, you'll do better.

 

[jillian]

a quick search seems to show they either gave or received some kind of grant

they probably did both. they also probably entered into contracts with government for certain types of research or manufacture.

 

[DiveCon]

a quick search seems to show they either gave or received some kind of grant

they probably did both. they also probably entered into contracts with government for certain types of research or manufacture.

when i did the search, the link took me to a page that seemed to have been updated, or the story was already removed
but the link only said it was a grant of some type

 

[Sinatra]

a quick search seems to show they either gave or received some kind of grant

they probably did both. they also probably entered into contracts with government for certain types of research or manufacture.

when i did the search, the link took me to a page that seemed to have been updated, or the story was already removed
but the link only said it was a grant of some type

____

Link that bad boy!!!!

Methinks a grant - if it existed, did not come close to what private industry spent developing this amazing technology. As it continues to PROFIT, and improve, the need for heart transplants will become increasingly rare...
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Thoratec has spent $120 million over the last three years to develop the HeartMate II. An older model, about the size of a saucer and as thick as a paperback novel, had a complex pulsing design with six moving parts. It's Thoratec's bestselling product but lasts only two years before it has to be replaced. It is also too big for most women and teens. Thoratec grossed 60% of its $235 million in revenue from its ventricular assist devices last year


Heart Support - Forbes.com

 

[DiveCon]

they probably did both. they also probably entered into contracts with government for certain types of research or manufacture.

when i did the search, the link took me to a page that seemed to have been updated, or the story was already removed
but the link only said it was a grant of some type

____

Link that bad boy!!!!

Methinks a grant - if it existed, did not come close to what private industry spent developing this amazing technology. As it continues to PROFIT, and improve, the need for heart transplants will become increasingly rare...
___

Thoratec has spent $120 million over the last three years to develop the HeartMate II. An older model, about the size of a saucer and as thick as a paperback novel, had a complex pulsing design with six moving parts. It's Thoratec's bestselling product but lasts only two years before it has to be replaced. It is also too big for most women and teens. Thoratec grossed 60% of its $235 million in revenue from its ventricular assist devices last year


Heart Support - Forbes.com

the story wasnt still on the page

 

[Sinatra]

when i did the search, the link took me to a page that seemed to have been updated, or the story was already removed
but the link only said it was a grant of some type

____

Link that bad boy!!!!

Methinks a grant - if it existed, did not come close to what private industry spent developing this amazing technology. As it continues to PROFIT, and improve, the need for heart transplants will become increasingly rare...
___

Thoratec has spent $120 million over the last three years to develop the HeartMate II. An older model, about the size of a saucer and as thick as a paperback novel, had a complex pulsing design with six moving parts. It's Thoratec's bestselling product but lasts only two years before it has to be replaced. It is also too big for most women and teens. Thoratec grossed 60% of its $235 million in revenue from its ventricular assist devices last year


Heart Support - Forbes.com

the story wasnt still on the page

Ah - well clearly it has been proven that is was private funding that did the lion's share of providing the means to do the R&D on this fantastic innovation.

And it is this same medical R&D that will be under attack if the health care system goes off into socialized medicine land.

There is a reason the vast majority of medical innovation comes from the United States - PROFIT.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Cheney and all those Republican congressmen use that good old government health care. Pure socialism.

No, dumbfuck, they don't. Congressmen, the President, the VP, etc. all have private insurance, paid for by their employers. Nothing "socialized" about employer-provided health insurance as a job benefit.

Epic fail. As usual.

 

[Cecilie1200]

ah, wonderful, another thread showcasing liberal compassion

Give me a break Dive. Plenty of Liberals including myself were compassionate when he first went into the hospital. However, if you want "compassion" why don't you go make your way over to the Robert Byrd or Ted Kennedy threads. I didn't see you saying "ah, wonderful, another thread showcasing conservative compassion."

So your response is, "We can behave badly because other people are doing it"? You sound like my teenager.

 

[Cecilie1200]

but.......but.....but........the Republicans are trying to tell us that socialized medicine known as Medicaid/Medicare is evil!

Like I said, a great testament to socialized medicine. It even saves soul less assholes who deserve a lot worse than death for the bullshit they've inflicted on the world.

Hate to burst your bubble, but Cheney's treatment isn't paid by Medicare, or Medicaid. His is a private policy, the premium paid by you and me, and it is a policy you nor I can get. His out of pocket expenses are zero (there is no deductible on the Federal plan), but 100% of the PRIVATIZED cost is paid by you and me. Doctors and the hospital made crazy profit off of this one, so where you're getting "socialized" is beyond understanding.

He earned it. I'm glad we finally spent some of my money on something worthwhile.

actually cheney gets his health care from a government=paid-for-insurance-plan. how does that differ from a plan that reimburses a doctor from government funds?

The difference is that Cheney is a retired government employee, and his health insurance is a residual benefit from employment, rather than a social welfare program for people who've never been employed by the government at all.

 

[jillian]

the story wasnt still on the page

he's a liar anyway. either that or he knows nothing about how corporations like Thoratec work.

Thoratec grew because it "simultaneously pursued development and commercialization of the Hemopump along with the government funded electrical and thermal LVAS contracts"

Guide to Collections Relating to the History of Artificial Internal Organs

...which is what happens with most of these corporations.... which maybe the loon would have known if he actually tried to learn english.

you betcha!

 

[traveler52]

And who provided this low life, scum sucking, draft dodging piece of shit this surgery, the American Tax Payer. He has Government Funded, Tax Payer Supported Health Care.

I for one hope this lying shit eating low life dies a very long, slow and painful death. Preferably from being waterboarded.

 

[Cecilie1200]

is that supposed to be english of some type?

i suspect, btw, that if you actually look at what funded the creation of the device that is keeping cheney alive, the research was probably largely backed by government grants.

try again.

Oh reeeeaaaaaalllllyyyyyy?????

Thoratec Corp.



Ya'll so dumb they jus ain't na sport in it na mer....

hey, you're the one who can't speak english.

and i suspect you'll find some government contracts in there somewhere, freak.

Big difference between "some government contracts" and "largely backed by government grants". Nice try at a casual backpedal, though.

 

[Modbert]

So your response is, "We can behave badly because other people are doing it"? You sound like my teenager.

Wrong. My response is those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. You won't see me being gleeful because another human being who happens to be the right is dying/dead.

 

[Mr Natural]

Cheney and all those Republican congressmen use that good old government health care. Pure socialism.

No, dumbfuck, they don't. Congressmen, the President, the VP, etc. all have private insurance, paid for by their employers. Nothing "socialized" about employer-provided health insurance as a job benefit.

Epic fail. As usual.

The employers being us the taxpayers.

 

[jillian]

Oh reeeeaaaaaalllllyyyyyy?????

Thoratec Corp.



Ya'll so dumb they jus ain't na sport in it na mer....

hey, you're the one who can't speak english.

and i suspect you'll find some government contracts in there somewhere, freak.

Big difference between "some government contracts" and "largely backed by government grants". Nice try at a casual backpedal, though.

nope... you're ignoring facts...

like this...

Guide to Collections Relating to the History of Artificial Internal Organs

thoratech's entire growth was based on a combination of private projects and governmental contracts/grants.

 

[Sinatra]

hey, you're the one who can't speak english.

and i suspect you'll find some government contracts in there somewhere, freak.

Big difference between "some government contracts" and "largely backed by government grants". Nice try at a casual backpedal, though.

nope... you're ignoring facts...

like this...

Guide to Collections Relating to the History of Artificial Internal Organs

thoratech's entire growth was based on a combination of private projects and governmental contracts/grants.

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From your own link kiddo - it appears you don't even read that which you link to...
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The name Nimbus was selected because of the region, at one time called Nimbus, and because of its nondescript nature. The intent was to select a name to avoid typecasting the company as being solely medical in nature, leaving open the possibility for other avenues of commerce including private development projects. Nimbus self-funded the initial development of the Hemopump, first conceived by Nimbus employees and co-founder, Dr. Richard Wampler. Nimbus later obtained venture capital and the company grew as it simultaneously pursued development and commercialization of the Hemopump along with the government funded electrical and thermal LVAS contracts. In 1990 the Hemopump technology was sold to Johnson and Johnson, with half the employees joining J & J and the other half returning to NIH contract development work. Spin-off technology from the Hemopump was further developed under NHLBI contract in their innovative ventricular assist system (IVAS) initiative that started in 1995. On the strength of that technology, Nimbus was purchased by former competitor Thermo Cardiosystems Inc. at the end of 1996. The IVAS technology was given the working name "HeartMate II" as a so-called "second generation" LVAS. It was first used clinically in July 2000 in Israel. On February 14, 2001 Thermo Cardiosystems Inc., and its wholly-owned subsidiary Nimbus Inc. were sold to Thoratec Laboratories Corporation, with the combined entity renaming itself, "Thoratec Corporation."

Guide to Collections Relating to the History of Artificial Internal Organs
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Once again - America enjoys the lions share of medical innovation in the world due to its profit driven medical innovation market. While the government does assist in funding of some R&D, rarely is the groundwork for that R&D the result of such funding assistance - and this government funding is simply another LESSER revenue stream by which companies may apply for.

Jillian, once again you have shown yourself incapable of even following the intent of your own posts, let alone a more developed discussion within a thread.

Socialized medicine greatly endangers R&D medical innovation. The controls over what is researched then falls into the hands of government monopoly, not the private market, and as such, that so incredibly important and essential innovation stagnates. When in the hands of private venture, innovation is both cheaper and quicker, which is exactly what we would want within the medical innovation community.

Try again kiddo...

 

[Cecilie1200]

Cheney and all those Republican congressmen use that good old government health care. Pure socialism.

No, dumbfuck, they don't. Congressmen, the President, the VP, etc. all have private insurance, paid for by their employers. Nothing "socialized" about employer-provided health insurance as a job benefit.

Epic fail. As usual.

The employers being us the taxpayers.

ALL legal, legitimate employers are taxpayers. So what?