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    Which under Islamic law means they MUST be Islamic again.

    You have zero knowledge of Islam, right?
     
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    Too stupid to recognize sarcasm,.....eh, Sparky?
     
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    Just being facetious. Sorry for spam/troll.
     
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    If as you say, multiculturalism is a failure, and cultures with different beliefs can not live peacefully together, then one must destroy the other. I suggest that we not give up on multiculturalism and assimilation, unless the goal is to bring about an Armageddon.
     
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    Multiculturalism is a new and little-tested idea being borne of the failure of assimilation. It has thus far been largely unsuccessful. The entire concept of the nation-state was a commonality between the peoples of that state. In the new world that was challenged with waves of immigrants with many dissimilarities but none-the-less worked because those immigrants were willing to assimilate.

    The late 20th century brought on a new challenge to the nation-state because of less travel restrictions, welfare programs and liberal immigration policies. Suddenly, large numbers of migrants came into mostly western societies without the intention becoming part of the culture of the hosting state. The friction between a critical mass of such people and the native population cannot be denied. It is evident the world over (India/Pakistan, South Africa, Kurds/Turkey, Armenia/Turkey, Yugoslavia and so on).

    In more rational culture and religions, peace and accommodation has prevailed, especially where I live between the Czechs and Slovaks. But this is not the caliber of people we are addressing here. We are addressing, in fact, people who are largely guided by medieval religion and culture. To hope that they can be assimilated is what brought to mind Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech:

    For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed in the Race Relations Bill is the very pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrant communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."

    They are no longer proud words on a dusty shelf, if the ever were.
     
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    Assimilation has not "failed."
     
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    No, assimilation has not failed. multiculturalism has.
     
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    Sí, lo hizo sobre todo. No hay ningún deseo de asimilar. Hay desprecio de asimilación y concentración en facciones.
     
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    LEGAL immigrants still assimilate much as they always have. The problem is controlling our borders and stopping ILLEGAL immigration.
     
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    In fact they assimilated quite well...living off taxpayer money...
    Marathon bombings mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev was living on taxpayer-funded state welfare benefits even as he was delving deep into the world of radical anti-American Islamism, the Herald has learned.
    Tamerlan Tsarnaev got Mass. welfare benefits | Boston Herald

    They received refugee status, qualified for welfare, got to go to schools that most Americans born here would never get the opportunity to attend. Our generosity was repaid with an attack. As a taxpayer I am outraged.

    Now the point of assimilation was that you didn't erase your old traditions, as we all had roots that began elsewhere, and many are celebrated, but those that came learned the language and learned to live with multiple cultures and religions. They took a pledge of allegiance to America. When you become a citizen you become an American First.
     

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