Cheaper More Efficient Nanotech Electrocatalyst

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Now, scientists at the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Brookhaven
National Laboratory have developed a new electrocatalyst that addresses
one of these problems by generating hydrogen gas from water cleanly and
with much more affordable materials. The novel form of catalytic
nickel-molybdenum-nitride - described in a paper published online May 8,
2012 in the journal Angewandte Chemie International Edition - surprised
scientists with its high-performing nanosheet structure, introducing a
new model for effective hydrogen catalysis.

"We wanted to design an optimal catalyst with high activity and low
costs that could generate hydrogen as a high-density, clean energy
source," said Brookhaven Lab chemist Kotaro Sasaki, who first conceived
the idea for this research. "We discovered this exciting compound that
actually outperformed our expectations."

Goldilocks chemistry

Water provides an ideal source of pure hydrogen - abundant and free of
harmful greenhouse gas byproducts. The electrolysis of water, or
splitting water (H2O) into oxygen (O2) and hydrogen (H2), requires
external electricity and an efficient catalyst to break chemical bonds
while shifting around protons and electrons. To justify the effort, the
amount of energy put into the reaction must be as small as possible
while still exceeding the minimum required by thermodynamics, a figure
associated with what is called overpotential.

Nanotech is changing and improving our lives in ways no one even imagined ten years ago. The future is bright for humanity if we can just not kill each other off.
 
Nanotech is THE big advance in materials science. It will be on par with discovering Electricity or Germ Theory with how it is going to change our lives. It's too bad the biggest changes most likely will happen after we are gone (well at least me).
 
The first thing you gotta understand is that things aren't always what they seem. Brookhaven isn't the warm and fuzzy laboratory dedicated to the good of mankind. Brookhaven used to be the Atomic Energy Commission and it was taken over by the Dept.of Energy. Later the DOE subcontracted it to "University Associates" which was convicted of leaking radioactive material into the N.J. Pine Barons. UA was reorganized under the name of "Brookhaven Science Associates LLC" which is currently affiliated with Stony Brook University and an Ohio non profit entity called Battelle Memorial Inc. The point is that Brookhaven is another gigantic university grant (or worse) combined with unidentified "non-profit" entity which will furnish evidence of any dream you want to hear as long as the taxpayer grants keep coming.
 
Nanotech is THE big advance in materials science. It will be on par with discovering Electricity or Germ Theory with how it is going to change our lives. It's too bad the biggest changes most likely will happen after we are gone (well at least me).

Dont be so pessimistic, Fitz. Technology is moving at an exponentially increasing pace. This is due to the speed with which scientists can communicate with each other, the vast number of trained minds that are available to analyze plausible applications of new tech with old problems and increasingly newer ones as well, and the aid of computer resolution to enormously complex theories and analysis. This will explodeonce they start using gamers to solve problems more. The collective minds of those who love to solve puzzles is the last virtual untapped resource we still have available.

I think most of us here will, God Willing, see a technological utopia, where a person need only work for satisfaction as all commodities will be so cheap that even the poorest can afford them.

It will be to some extent, what a great number of our best minds of our civilization have worked toward for the last five centuries. We will get there if we dont fuck it all up just minutes before the dawn with old hatreds and greed.
 
Nanotech is THE big advance in materials science. It will be on par with discovering Electricity or Germ Theory with how it is going to change our lives. It's too bad the biggest changes most likely will happen after we are gone (well at least me).

Dont be so pessimistic, Fitz. Technology is moving at an exponentially increasing pace. This is due to the speed with which scientists can communicate with each other, the vast number of trained minds that are available to analyze plausible applications of new tech with old problems and increasingly newer ones as well, and the aid of computer resolution to enormously complex theories and analysis. This will explodeonce they start using gamers to solve problems more. The collective minds of those who love to solve puzzles is the last virtual untapped resource we still have available.

I think most of us here will, God Willing, see a technological utopia, where a person need only work for satisfaction as all commodities will be so cheap that even the poorest can afford them.

It will be to some extent, what a great number of our best minds of our civilization have worked toward for the last five centuries. We will get there if we dont fuck it all up just minutes before the dawn with old hatreds and greed.
Not pessimistic, just realistic. Advances like this take between 20-50 years to make it solidly into the public venue as products depending on complications. I still don't have my flying car... for example.
 
Not pessimistic, just realistic. Advances like this take between 20-50 years to make it solidly into the public venue as products depending on complications.

What used to take 20-50 years, now takes about 5 - 10 years. For example, it used to take several years to set up a factory, hire all the workers, design the process, etc. Now people can do that with microfactories in a few months. Everything moves so much faster today because of the ease of communication, the availability of global markets for resources and the computerization of everything.

I still don't have my flying car... for example.

Why not?

They have been around awhile.

Top five flying cars and the technology behind them

Its just that not enough of us see a need for them to buy them and psh the prices down to something the everyday person can afford.

As our suburbs have grown and commutes get longer, the need for such vehicles increases the demand and will make them affordable.

Technological inovation requires need in the markeet as well as the technological capability for something to become widespread.
 
Not pessimistic, just realistic. Advances like this take between 20-50 years to make it solidly into the public venue as products depending on complications.

What used to take 20-50 years, now takes about 5 - 10 years. For example, it used to take several years to set up a factory, hire all the workers, design the process, etc. Now people can do that with microfactories in a few months. Everything moves so much faster today because of the ease of communication, the availability of global markets for resources and the computerization of everything.

I still don't have my flying car... for example.

Why not?

They have been around awhile.

Top five flying cars and the technology behind them

Its just that not enough of us see a need for them to buy them and psh the prices down to something the everyday person can afford.

As our suburbs have grown and commutes get longer, the need for such vehicles increases the demand and will make them affordable.

Technological inovation requires need in the markeet as well as the technological capability for something to become widespread.
Yes, things move faster for development, that is true... in SOME fields, not all. Computerization has gone a long way. But look how long it has taken for many other advances we do have. For instance, we are a long way from DARPAnet when the Internet concept was first developed in the late 1940's and early 50's. The personal computer took 40 years to develop from when they were originally used to compute bomb and shell trajectories. How about Solar Cells? We are not THAT much improved over when they were first rolled out in the 1970's. Sure refinements and miniaturization took hold, but it's still not there.

Refinement takes time from lab experiment to prototype to first generation to third generation. That is what I'm referring to. Sure, some things will be out rather quickly in limited and primative functionality. That's a given. But as for the refined product? No. 20-50 years is not that far fetched.

In the end, also, all new technology faces the same hurdles as every one before it. Is it 'bigger, better, faster, cheaper..."? Does it look cool? Do I really need it? And of course, if you don't think this matters, look at all those countertop home appliances that link back to Ronco and George Foreman. The path to the future is fraught with dead ends, bad choices, bad luck and just plain weirdness.
 
Yes, things move faster for development, that is true... in SOME fields, not all. Computerization has gone a long way. But look how long it has taken for many other advances we do have. For instance, we are a long way from DARPAnet when the Internet concept was first developed in the late 1940's and early 50's. The personal computer took 40 years to develop from when they were originally used to compute bomb and shell trajectories.

It took computers 49 years to go from an expensive tool that only the government could afford and were delicately maintained, to being so ubiquitous and reliable that kids today cant imagine a world without them.

In contrast, black powder took over a millenia to go from useless diversion, to a weaponized form that only kings and emporers could afford it, to a form that the local town blacksmith could make the weapons that used black powder, to today where the form is so well worn and known that no one thinks about all the precision they behold when they look at a 308 round.

The cycle from toy, to central state tool, to local production to ubiquitousness has been shortened by a factor of 50.

And consider the same cycle for mail, telegraph, railroads, steam power, radio, television and motion picture technology. Over time these thing are moving faster and faster.

How about Solar Cells? We are not THAT much improved over when they were first rolled out in the 1970's. Sure refinements and miniaturization took hold, but it's still not there.

The problem with solar panels has little to do with the panels themselves but on how to adequately store and then use that power during appropriate times.


Refinement takes time from lab experiment to prototype to first generation to third generation. That is what I'm referring to. Sure, some things will be out rather quickly in limited and primative functionality. That's a given. But as for the refined product? No. 20-50 years is not that far fetched.

I agree with most of that, but I think the cycle is much shorter for future developments than the cycle has been for computers. I suspect that nanotech will be ubiquitous by 2030, and the refinement process will continue aftwerwards but I dont think refinement is a process that ever truly ends.


In the end, also, all new technology faces the same hurdles as every one before it. Is it 'bigger, better, faster, cheaper..."? Does it look cool? Do I really need it? And of course, if you don't think this matters, look at all those countertop home appliances that link back to Ronco and George Foreman. The path to the future is fraught with dead ends, bad choices, bad luck and just plain weirdness.

True, but these things will be the dead ends, etc, because there will be even better alternative or we just dont have a need for that capability yet. The lag in adoption is not solely due to the slowness of the tech development alone.
 
The future is bright as long as blacks or islam don't destroy civilization first that is. This is very cool, so I will be fighting for civilization!

Now Mathew, in 1962, both sides were white. And the Christians failed to destroy the world in the Crusades. If you want a candidate to destroy the world as we know it, greed is the best candidate, irregardless of color.
 
The future is bright as long as blacks or islam don't destroy civilization first that is. This is very cool, so I will be fighting for civilization!

Now Mathew, in 1962, both sides were white. And the Christians failed to destroy the world in the Crusades. If you want a candidate to destroy the world as we know it, greed is the best candidate, irregardless of color.

Once human beings began to speak and pass down knowledge from one generation to the next, our evolution has been primarily cultural and educational more so than physical.

Skin color is merely the most apparent thing we can see, but what is under the old skull cap far outweighs shallow appearances.

A man is as he does, not as he looks.
 
Using rust to capture energy through electrolysis...
:cool:
Researchers develop new energy-saving procedure
Sun, Mar 31, 2013 - ‘CRITICAL STEP’: The two researchers from Canada said they have invented a relatively inexpensive way of using rust to capture energy through electrolysis
Canadian researchers have developed a groundbreaking method which may ultimately enable excess energy created by wind turbines and solar panels to be stored for later use. Two researchers at the University of Calgary reported in the journal Science that they have invented a relatively inexpensive way of using rust to act as a catalyst for capturing energy through the electrolysis of water. “This breakthrough offers a relatively cheaper method of storing and reusing electricity produced by wind turbines and solar panels,” said Curtis Berlinguette, associate professor of chemistry at the university. “Our work represents a critical step for realizing a large-scale, clean energy economy,” Berlinguette added.

The discovery “opens up a whole new field of how to make catalytic materials. We now have a large new arena for discovery,” assistant professor of chemistry Simon Trudel said. The two researchers have created a company to commercialize their electrocatalysts for use in electrolyzers. Electrolyzers use catalysts to create a chemical reaction that converts electricity into energy by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen, which can then be stored and reconverted to electricity for use whenever needed.

Catalysts are typically made from rare and expensive metals in a crystalline structure. However, Berlinguette and Trudel deviated from this principle by using common metal compounds or oxides, such as rust, which achieved the same results as more expensive metals. The researchers expect to have a commercial product in the market by 2014, with a prototype electrolyzer designed to provide a family home’s energy needs ready for testing by 2015.

Researchers develop new energy-saving procedure - Taipei Times
 
Using rust to capture energy through electrolysis...
:cool:
Researchers develop new energy-saving procedure
Sun, Mar 31, 2013 - ‘CRITICAL STEP’: The two researchers from Canada said they have invented a relatively inexpensive way of using rust to capture energy through electrolysis
Canadian researchers have developed a groundbreaking method which may ultimately enable excess energy created by wind turbines and solar panels to be stored for later use. Two researchers at the University of Calgary reported in the journal Science that they have invented a relatively inexpensive way of using rust to act as a catalyst for capturing energy through the electrolysis of water. “This breakthrough offers a relatively cheaper method of storing and reusing electricity produced by wind turbines and solar panels,” said Curtis Berlinguette, associate professor of chemistry at the university. “Our work represents a critical step for realizing a large-scale, clean energy economy,” Berlinguette added.

The discovery “opens up a whole new field of how to make catalytic materials. We now have a large new arena for discovery,” assistant professor of chemistry Simon Trudel said. The two researchers have created a company to commercialize their electrocatalysts for use in electrolyzers. Electrolyzers use catalysts to create a chemical reaction that converts electricity into energy by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen, which can then be stored and reconverted to electricity for use whenever needed.

Catalysts are typically made from rare and expensive metals in a crystalline structure. However, Berlinguette and Trudel deviated from this principle by using common metal compounds or oxides, such as rust, which achieved the same results as more expensive metals. The researchers expect to have a commercial product in the market by 2014, with a prototype electrolyzer designed to provide a family home’s energy needs ready for testing by 2015.

Researchers develop new energy-saving procedure - Taipei Times

"But whats that got to do with 'American Idol' or sex appeal? Huh?

"So tangential, nobody needs that crap, just a bunch of scientists that need government money to keep their jobs."

Lol, actually had someone tell me that once, though I am praphrasing it for the sake of the children.
 
I'm all for hydrogen and I'm certain there are appropriate uses for nanotech. There is a danger, however, in releasing just any old thing into the environment and nano-particles can be very harmful.

Like everything human, it depends upon the motivation and use.
 

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