Cheap, renewable energy.

Why arent conservatives worried that were going to bankrupt ourselves on fossil fuels?

Do they just think jesus is going to come back before that happens?

It'll never come to that. If the oil ever runs out, an alternative like cold fusion will magically appear.

Wired 6.11: What If Cold Fusion Is Real?

"Magic". The fact is that fusion requires you to overcome electromagnetic repulsion between two hydrogen atoms. That wont happen at low temperatures.

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif] "For a few magic seconds in 1997, JET managed to return 60 percent of the energy it consumed, but that's the best it's ever done, and is typical of fusion experiments worldwide. "[/FONT]

Cold fusion is a pipe dream. Actual fusion may be possible. Cold fusion is not
 
There is a point that I would rather subsidize American Made alternative energy sources than buy oil on the market which raises the value of Iranian oil thus supports the Iranian military.....

I am also willing to put up with a little bit of regulation encouraging folks to buy more fuel efficient vehicles to the end of "unsupporting" the Iranian economy. Lord knows w/o oil the place has as viable an economy as the Sudan.

No need to call Republicans or Conservatives names. That will just make them angry.
 
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Thanks for leaving my generation resources to power our homes, friend.

Compassionate Conservative...Hmmm....

Your generation deserves those resources even less than mine does, which isn't saying much.

Compassionate Conservatism is like Jumbo Shrimp. It's an oxymoron. Conservatism is not really a Compassionate ideology. Never has been and never will be.
 
Why arent conservatives worried that were going to bankrupt ourselves on fossil fuels?

Do they just think jesus is going to come back before that happens?
Please tell me you expect to be treated seriously by making such a goddamn stupid statement?

Other than oil, coal, nuclear and hydro-electric can you name a cheaper source of energy SANS SUBSIDIES? That puts all the pinwheels, mirrors and moonshine out of range. Fusion is still science fiction and Hydrogen still relies on cracking from hydrocarbons.

Do you ecofascists think praying to the earth and sun is going to supply the energy needs of the MODERN world and not some backwards neo-tribal rainforest cultist commune?

Are you serious? its not about putting solar panels everywhere like you idiots think. Its about making them more efficient. Solar films just being made are 300% more efficient than current silicon panels, and cheaper, and would have no problem powering entire residential populations.

Areas that require more energy just require strips of land for solar films that can power entire geographical areas. Considering we currently have thousands of square miles strip mined for coal and occupied by drilling rigs, thats not too much of a problem. The electrical infrastructure just needs to be upgraded to high voltage DC.
Oh good... so in what? 75-100 years they may become more than marginally effective? Yeah, that'll help now. Not to mention have you figured out a way to get them to work in the dark yet, Sherlock?
 
Why arent conservatives worried that were going to bankrupt ourselves on fossil fuels?

Do they just think jesus is going to come back before that happens?
Please tell me you expect to be treated seriously by making such a goddamn stupid statement?

Other than oil, coal, nuclear and hydro-electric can you name a cheaper source of energy SANS SUBSIDIES? That puts all the pinwheels, mirrors and moonshine out of range. Fusion is still science fiction and Hydrogen still relies on cracking from hydrocarbons.

Do you ecofascists think praying to the earth and sun is going to supply the energy needs of the MODERN world and not some backwards neo-tribal rainforest cultist commune?

Are you serious? its not about putting solar panels everywhere like you idiots think. Its about making them more efficient. Solar films just being made are 300% more efficient than current silicon panels, and cheaper, and would have no problem powering entire residential populations.

Areas that require more energy just require strips of land for solar films that can power entire geographical areas. Considering we currently have thousands of square miles strip mined for coal and occupied by drilling rigs, thats not too much of a problem. The electrical infrastructure just needs to be upgraded to high voltage DC.

DC sucks big time for long transport ,and the cost to invert it back to a/c which is what is used by everyone,would cost ??????????

Wind solar ect,are good but will not support the load on the grid by a long shot for a long time.
 
The electrical infrastructure just needs to be upgraded to high voltage DC.

THANKS. I needed that laugh. I work for an electric utility company and I can GUARANTEE YOU that will NEVER happen. It's ineficient, unreliable, undoable, and would take the average KwH of electricity from about $0.16 per for American rate payers to probably about $2.40 per KwH (1500% increase) in order to pay for it. Somehow I don't see that as being cost-effective.
 
You must plan on dying in the next 30 years.

I turned 37 TODAY. I don't suspect that I'll make it to 70. You do the math.

Thanks for leaving my generation resources to power our homes, friend.

Compassionate Conservative...Hmmm....

:lol:
Fuck 'compassionate conservatism'. Political ingrates and thugs know that's just another word for 'sucker'.

I want some Fiscal Conservatism and tough love.
 
Please tell me you expect to be treated seriously by making such a goddamn stupid statement?

Other than oil, coal, nuclear and hydro-electric can you name a cheaper source of energy SANS SUBSIDIES? That puts all the pinwheels, mirrors and moonshine out of range. Fusion is still science fiction and Hydrogen still relies on cracking from hydrocarbons.

Do you ecofascists think praying to the earth and sun is going to supply the energy needs of the MODERN world and not some backwards neo-tribal rainforest cultist commune?

Are you serious? its not about putting solar panels everywhere like you idiots think. Its about making them more efficient. Solar films just being made are 300% more efficient than current silicon panels, and cheaper, and would have no problem powering entire residential populations.

Areas that require more energy just require strips of land for solar films that can power entire geographical areas. Considering we currently have thousands of square miles strip mined for coal and occupied by drilling rigs, thats not too much of a problem. The electrical infrastructure just needs to be upgraded to high voltage DC.

DC sucks big time for long transport ,and the cost to invert it back to a/c which is what is used by everyone,would cost ??????????

Wind solar ect,are good but will not support the load on the grid by a long shot for a long time.
Most people don't know the war between AC/DC that happened between Tesla/Westinghouse and Edison. Edison used to go around the US electrocuting elephants as a way to show how dangerous AC was. Unfortunately DC has so much problem going over distance, it was rendered obsolete. It can barely make it a few blocks from the generating station, forcing the building of DOZENS of small power stations instead of one massive one hundreds of miles away that could do the job.

Going back to DC is pre-Tesla folly. Why not go back to the original Bell Telephone?
 
Why arent conservatives worried that were going to bankrupt ourselves on fossil fuels?

Do they just think jesus is going to come back before that happens?

It'll never come to that. If the oil ever runs out, an alternative like cold fusion will magically appear.

Wired 6.11: What If Cold Fusion Is Real?

"Magic". The fact is that fusion requires you to overcome electromagnetic repulsion between two hydrogen atoms. That wont happen at low temperatures.

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif] "For a few magic seconds in 1997, JET managed to return 60 percent of the energy it consumed, but that's the best it's ever done, and is typical of fusion experiments worldwide. "[/FONT]

Cold fusion is a pipe dream. Actual fusion may be possible. Cold fusion is not

We'll see. There are a lot of studies that go unreported in the mainstream journals, like these:
E-Cat Cold fusion device independently validated producing 800% more energy than input
http://www.naturalnews.com/025925_cold_fusion_science_Amazon.html

The point is that oil companies have a vested interest to continue to sell oil.
 
The grid and large appliances in homes should remain AC. However, homes should have a DC busline at 24V or so for lighting, and most other power apps..

That way, each bulb (CFL or LED) doesn't need a switching power supply in it. And you can forget about labeling and searching for all those 100 wall wart adapters that run your life.
 
The grid and large appliances in homes should remain AC. However, homes should have a DC busline at 24V or so for lighting, and most other power apps..

That way, each bulb (CFL or LED) doesn't need a switching power supply in it. And you can forget about labeling and searching for all those 100 wall wart adapters that run your life.

Ok, so instead of converting everything to DC, you're suggesting running a SECOND set of feeders out of a SECOND set of substations from a SECOND set of Transmission lines and generation facilities? WOW. You must have a ton of cash invested in the electrical transmission/distribution business that you're trying to up the return on investment of.

Look up at a Utility Pole (it's a Utility Pole, not a Telephone Pole in 99.9% of the cases). How much free space is up there on that pole right now? Probably not a whole lot in most areas. Now you want to run potentially up to three more sets of wires (larger than what's there now) along those poles? I don't think so.
 
Drill, baby, drill.

Ya, baby, ya!

We better drill ANWR and the Gulf, as soon as the American people give us the Senate and the WH. Obama opposed both, gas is now double the price as when he entered, and he absolutely gutted America over gas in the Gulf of Mexico with other countries standing ready in line to take over our wells out there. Not nice.

We need to get that gas down to a level where families can plan road trips to Yellowstone, Big Bend, Yosemite, Acadia, and other national parks.

US oil production rose under obama.



That rise was due to moves made by Clinton and Bush. The guy that follows the Big 0 will see production fall of due to the short sighted and feeble, misdirected and utterly stupid policies of this demogogue.

God, Almighty. You can't put food on the table with talking points.
 
Why arent conservatives worried that were going to bankrupt ourselves on fossil fuels?

Do they just think jesus is going to come back before that happens?
Please tell me you expect to be treated seriously by making such a goddamn stupid statement?

Other than oil, coal, nuclear and hydro-electric can you name a cheaper source of energy SANS SUBSIDIES? That puts all the pinwheels, mirrors and moonshine out of range. Fusion is still science fiction and Hydrogen still relies on cracking from hydrocarbons.

Do you ecofascists think praying to the earth and sun is going to supply the energy needs of the MODERN world and not some backwards neo-tribal rainforest cultist commune?

Are you serious? its not about putting solar panels everywhere like you idiots think. Its about making them more efficient. Solar films just being made are 300% more efficient than current silicon panels, and cheaper, and would have no problem powering entire residential populations.

Areas that require more energy just require strips of land for solar films that can power entire geographical areas. Considering we currently have thousands of square miles strip mined for coal and occupied by drilling rigs, thats not too much of a problem. The electrical infrastructure just needs to be upgraded to high voltage DC.


Spend, baby, spend.
 
Please tell me you expect to be treated seriously by making such a goddamn stupid statement?

Other than oil, coal, nuclear and hydro-electric can you name a cheaper source of energy SANS SUBSIDIES? That puts all the pinwheels, mirrors and moonshine out of range. Fusion is still science fiction and Hydrogen still relies on cracking from hydrocarbons.

Do you ecofascists think praying to the earth and sun is going to supply the energy needs of the MODERN world and not some backwards neo-tribal rainforest cultist commune?

Are you serious? its not about putting solar panels everywhere like you idiots think. Its about making them more efficient. Solar films just being made are 300% more efficient than current silicon panels, and cheaper, and would have no problem powering entire residential populations.

Areas that require more energy just require strips of land for solar films that can power entire geographical areas. Considering we currently have thousands of square miles strip mined for coal and occupied by drilling rigs, thats not too much of a problem. The electrical infrastructure just needs to be upgraded to high voltage DC.


Spend, baby, spend.

Considering we currently have thousands of square miles strip mined for coal and occupied by drilling rigs, thats not too much of a problem. The electrical infrastructure just needs to be upgraded to high voltage DC.

Thousands???
 
Are you serious? its not about putting solar panels everywhere like you idiots think. Its about making them more efficient. Solar films just being made are 300% more efficient than current silicon panels, and cheaper, and would have no problem powering entire residential populations.

Areas that require more energy just require strips of land for solar films that can power entire geographical areas. Considering we currently have thousands of square miles strip mined for coal and occupied by drilling rigs, thats not too much of a problem. The electrical infrastructure just needs to be upgraded to high voltage DC.


Spend, baby, spend.

Considering we currently have thousands of square miles strip mined for coal and occupied by drilling rigs, thats not too much of a problem. The electrical infrastructure just needs to be upgraded to high voltage DC.

Thousands???



The grid is set up right now to operate on AC. You are talking about disassembling what we have and reconstructing the whole thing at a cost equal to the cost of building what we have from scratch except doing it with today's dollars.

Not even Edison sould make DC work. What do you know that he didn't?

Are you a Liberal? Debt is what you apparently live to build.
 
There is a point that I would rather subsidize American Made alternative energy sources than buy oil on the market which raises the value of Iranian oil thus supports the Iranian military.....

I am also willing to put up with a little bit of regulation encouraging folks to buy more fuel efficient vehicles to the end of "unsupporting" the Iranian economy. Lord knows w/o oil the place has as viable an economy as the Sudan.

No need to call Republicans or Conservatives names. That will just make them angry.
Better still. Buy American Oil.

Ohhh SNAP!
 
Are you serious? its not about putting solar panels everywhere like you idiots think. Its about making them more efficient. Solar films just being made are 300% more efficient than current silicon panels, and cheaper, and would have no problem powering entire residential populations.

Areas that require more energy just require strips of land for solar films that can power entire geographical areas. Considering we currently have thousands of square miles strip mined for coal and occupied by drilling rigs, thats not too much of a problem. The electrical infrastructure just needs to be upgraded to high voltage DC.


Spend, baby, spend.

Considering we currently have thousands of square miles strip mined for coal and occupied by drilling rigs, thats not too much of a problem. The electrical infrastructure just needs to be upgraded to high voltage DC.

Thousands???
Still trying to go back to 19th century FAILED technology I see.

Yet another proof of the ludditism that is the green movement.
 
The grid and large appliances in homes should remain AC. However, homes should have a DC busline at 24V or so for lighting, and most other power apps..

That way, each bulb (CFL or LED) doesn't need a switching power supply in it. And you can forget about labeling and searching for all those 100 wall wart adapters that run your life.

Ok, so instead of converting everything to DC, you're suggesting running a SECOND set of feeders out of a SECOND set of substations from a SECOND set of Transmission lines and generation facilities? WOW. You must have a ton of cash invested in the electrical transmission/distribution business that you're trying to up the return on investment of.

Look up at a Utility Pole (it's a Utility Pole, not a Telephone Pole in 99.9% of the cases). How much free space is up there on that pole right now? Probably not a whole lot in most areas. Now you want to run potentially up to three more sets of wires (larger than what's there now) along those poles? I don't think so.

No such thing proposed you colorful bird.. Doesn't even need to be on the utility side of the home. Could be a single AC/DC power panel installed INSIDE the house wiring. Do the conversion ONE TIME from the mains.. Then all those low voltage appliances plug into an interior (say 24VDC) DC buss that requires far less power conditioning and safety concerns.
 
Although it may appear so, there's just no substaintial savings involved no matter what voltage is used Flacaltenn.

amps x volts = watts (inversley proportional formula, and you folks that could introduce the variables please keep it to this)
 
Why arent conservatives worried that were going to bankrupt ourselves on fossil fuels?

Do they just think jesus is going to come back before that happens?

Very bullshit assertion! Conservatives are worried fossil fuels will bankrupt us and they want alternatives (not all, but most). HOWEVER, at the moment Green Energy (minus hydro) isn't ready to handle even 1% of the countries energy needs! Cap and trade will shink the economy and the electric car is FAR from perfected!

Not to mention we have coal and natural gas resources to last us centuries! Oil is the real issue!
 

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