Che Hated Artists

[Toro]

Why do so many artists and musicians dig Che Guevara, asks Cuban jazz legend Paquito D’Rivera in a fascinating Reason TV interview:

"´Che hated artists, so how is it possible that artists still today support the image of Che Guevara?´” Turns out the rebellious icon that emblazons countless T-shirts actually enforced aesthetic and political conformity. D’Rivera explains that Che and other Cuban authorities sought to ban rock and roll and jazz."

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[jillian]

So the radical was a conservative?

 

[Xenophon]

Che was a douchebag of the first order.

 

[Agnapostate]

More importantly, why do individuals such as Humberto Fontova continue to prattle on about this? I have distaste for art too, since I simply can't think well of a canvas of chicken scratchings selling for millions of dollars while poverty, homelessness, disease and other social ills still afflict society. But the purpose of veneration of Che, (and I have far less love for Che than other socialists do), is purely because of his role in the Revolution and other struggles.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What gets me are the people who wear Che Guevara shirts without even knowing who he truly was. He was an anti-social homicidal maniac who was also a dentist.

 

[Agnapostate]

What gets me are the people who wear Che Guevara shirts without even knowing who he truly was. He was an anti-social homicidal maniac who was also a dentist.

The dentist bit really just puts the nail in the coffin, doesn't it?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The dentist bit really just puts the nail in the coffin, doesn't it?

They are masochists! LOL!

 

[Agnapostate]

They are masochists! LOL!

I think you mean sadists.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I think you mean sadists.

Yes, that's what I meant. Even just mentioning dentists, flusters me. They are evil!

 

[Agnapostate]

Indeed.

And again, as to Che, I have far less love for him than many other socialists do, (though anarchist "doctrine" is supposed to be opposed to him altogether, though Subcomandante Marcos of the EZLN still supports the Castro government), but I still admire his various struggles in the Cuban Revolution and elsewhere.

 

[editec]

Che was a douchebag of the first order.

Che was, (this according to the father of a chum of mine -- Robert Taber founder of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee -- who actually knew Che and Fidel personally, fought along side the commies during the revolution and was wounded at the Bay of Pigs, and who was appointed as the military attache to CZ from Cuba, post the revoution) an adventurer more than a revolutionary interested in social justice.

That's why Che died in Bolivia. He went there to start a revolution few peasants were interested in fighting.

He was bored once the fighting stopped in Cuba so he wandered off to start more revolutions in the rest of S.A.

 

[ModernLogic]

in high school, i knew a kid who wore a che t-shirt. he was a complete moron, though. i think he currently works as an operator at a children's amusement park.

 

[PoliticalChic]

in high school, i knew a kid who wore a che t-shirt. he was a complete moron, though. i think he currently works as an operator at a children's amusement park.

Wasn't that manifold?

In my high school, there was a kid named Che. You would think his parents knew better being that they were lawyers...

 

[editec]

Hey, before we fall over over ourselves bitching about Che, let's remember what a complete piece of shit gangster that he and Fidel overthrew, shall we?

Regardless of what we think of the Cuba that exists today, it is still a better place than the Cuba that the USA dominated when Fulgencio Batista ran it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hey, before we fall over over ourselves bitching about Che, let's remember what a complete piece of shit gangster that he and Fidel overthrew, shall we?

Regardless of what we think of the Cuba that exists today, it is still a better place than the Cuba that the USA dominated when Fulgencio Batista ran it.

No, it is not a better place. It is an island-prison camp where journalists who disagree with the program are arrested and assassinated: Cuba is still the world’s second-biggest prison for journalists and 20 of the 27 journalists arrested in the spring 2003 crackdown are serving sentences of between 14 and 27 years. Four others were jailed in summer 2005 and two of them have still to be tried. 75 journalists and critics arrested in a crackdown in March 2003 that sparked worldwide condemnation of Havana. Of those, 16 have been freed but only for medical reasons. Nearly 300 dissidents imprisoned in Cuba for political reasons. The regime continues to assert that there are no political prisoners.

Don't believe the hype about medical care (I've heard Amerian-trained doctors laugh at the level of training of Cuban doctors) and the "aid" that Cuba sends aronund the world is crypto-military agents.

Whether one agrees or disagrees with US policy toward Cuba, there is no basis to approve of any aspect of the Cuban administration. Too bad President Polk was unable to purchase the island and make in a state.

At the least, under Batista the crook, one could leave the island.

 

[Agnapostate]

Many couldn't leave the island, because having the resources ravaged in the hands of foreign corporations placed many in a state of economic disenfranchisement just as coercive as Castro's restrictions on travel.

IMO, the American government has historically launched state terrorist campaigns against Cuba, the most notable among them being Operation Northwoods and Operation Mongoose, with President Kennedy being the most egregious offender. Attempting to bomb and bombing Cuban towns, hotels, ships, etc., attempting to assassinate Castro without provocation, and planning a false-flag operation in the U.S. to justify an invasion of Cuba are not especially commendable acts, in my opinion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Many couldn't leave the island, because having the resources ravaged in the hands of foreign corporations placed many in a state of economic disenfranchisement just as coercive as Castro's restrictions on travel.

IMO, the American government has historically launched state terrorist campaigns against Cuba, the most notable among them being Operation Northwoods and Operation Mongoose, with President Kennedy being the most egregious offender. Attempting to bomb and bombing Cuban towns, hotels, ships, etc., attempting to assassinate Castro without provocation, and planning a false-flag operation in the U.S. to justify an invasion of Cuba are not especially commendable acts, in my opinion.

Based on the fact that you didn't address my points, I am going to assume that you agree that Cuba is a totalitarian prison camp whose government regularly arrests journalists and other citizens, and holds secret trials.

 

[Toro]

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