Charlie Crist commits (political) suicide!

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Or Editor Emeritus to Victoia's Secret Catalogue. ;)

That's a bad thing?

For Crist? Who knows? ;)
 
But I am with you as to Obama not making it to even campaign for POTUS in 2012...He will be Impeached before then for what he's been doing by skirting/violating the Constitution in the first place.

*Time will Tell*

Ha. Ha.

It sounds just as hysterical from the Right as it did from the Left when they said those same things about Bush.
 
I never thought of him as a "solid Republican" in the first place.

The way I see it though is that the Republican Party turned its back on him when he thankfully vetoed the teacher's pay law.

He didn't agree with it (and I agree with him) so he vetoed it and they had a shit fit and started talking up Rubio. Before he did that it was basically... Rubio who? Now Rubio is all they seem to want to talk about.

Immie

You know, the dialogue on this one reminds of the special election in New York more and more. The whole "They were never really a Republican anyways!", the three party split....

The only advantage Rubio has here is that he's got the GOP machinery behind him. Even with that a three way race, where Crist is likely to stip off all your moderate and independent voters, is very difficult to win.
 
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His donors should sue him for fraud
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Gee, what happened to "you vote for the person, not the party", Teabaggers?
 
I never thought of him as a "solid Republican" in the first place.

The way I see it though is that the Republican Party turned its back on him when he thankfully vetoed the teacher's pay law.

He didn't agree with it (and I agree with him) so he vetoed it and they had a shit fit and started talking up Rubio. Before he did that it was basically... Rubio who? Now Rubio is all they seem to want to talk about.

Immie

You know, the dialogue on this one reminds of the special election in New York more and more. The whole "They were never really a Republican anyways!", the three party split....

The only advantage Rubio has here is that he's got the GOP machinery behind him. Even with that a three way race, where Crist is likely to stip off all your moderate and independent voters, is very difficult to win.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by your first sentence.

I'm not a Republican. I used to be. Charlie Crist never gave me the impression that he was solidly behind the Republican Party and quite frankly that was one of his strong points.

Rubio was a no name candidate before all this stuff happened with the veto. Hell, I live hear and I couldn't have told you who he was until the Republicans started bitching that Governor Crist was going to veto the law.

Charlie Crist has done a fair job as Governor. I had the impression that when he appointed LeMieux, he was setting himself up for that seat during this election. Geez, who didn't? I wasn't thrilled with that. He gave us a Senator for nearly two years with no incentive to work for Florida.

It is early in the campaign. I'll wait to decide who I will vote for once more time has passed. Right now, I'm not thrilled about either candidate. For the moment though Rubio probably has the most to offer, since I can see Crist changing to (D) after being elected and I already feel that we need party conflict between the Executive Branch and the Legislative Branch to offset each other.

Charlie is in it for himself. Can't blame him for that.

Immie
 
His donors should sue him for fraud
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Gee, what happened to "you vote for the person, not the party", Teabaggers?

What was that?.... "mmgllbilimigugph?"... what are you saying? I can't hear ya with those big hairy balls in yer mouth. Spit it out, boy! :lol:
 
I'm not quite sure what you mean by your first sentence.

What I meant is that in the New York special election, which was supposed to be an easy pick up for the GOP, a lot of the justification for splitting the ticket was because the GOP nominee was seen as a "politician" and not a "real Conservative." People got all worked up and in the end, the vote was split.

For the GOP, that's the danger here. Crist is starting the General Election race now with an edge in the moderates and independents, a voting block that is necessary for victory in American politics. If Rubio runs to the Right to prove he's a true Conservative, he's going to find himself in a losing position.
 
I'm not quite sure what you mean by your first sentence.

What I meant is that in the New York special election, which was supposed to be an easy pick up for the GOP, a lot of the justification for splitting the ticket was because the GOP nominee was seen as a "politician" and not a "real Conservative." People got all worked up and in the end, the vote was split.

For the GOP, that's the danger here. Crist is starting the General Election race now with an edge in the moderates and independents, a voting block that is necessary for victory in American politics. If Rubio runs to the Right to prove he's a true Conservative, he's going to find himself in a losing position.

I understand better now.

Can I safely point to the Bush and McCain cases too?

A lot of Conservatives/Republicans (me as well) started saying that Bush wasn't really a conservative and that McCain definitely was not a conservative. I think that may very well have turned a lot of voters away from McCain in 2008. Maybe not enough to change the election, but it might have.

Immie
 
I'm not quite sure what you mean by your first sentence.

What I meant is that in the New York special election, which was supposed to be an easy pick up for the GOP, a lot of the justification for splitting the ticket was because the GOP nominee was seen as a "politician" and not a "real Conservative." People got all worked up and in the end, the vote was split.

For the GOP, that's the danger here. Crist is starting the General Election race now with an edge in the moderates and independents, a voting block that is necessary for victory in American politics. If Rubio runs to the Right to prove he's a true Conservative, he's going to find himself in a losing position.

I understand better now.

Can I safely point to the Bush and McCain cases too?

A lot of Conservatives/Republicans (me as well) started saying that Bush wasn't really a conservative and that McCain definitely was not a conservative. I think that may very well have turned a lot of voters away from McCain in 2008. Maybe not enough to change the election, but it might have.

Immie

It definitely cost them voters on the Right.

The dilema in politics is that you can't win without your base, but you can't win with just your base either. In a three way race like the one in New York and Florida, that's an even more prickly problem. Typically someone starts that race with the Moderate vote, someone starts with the Democratic vote, and someone starts with the GOP vote. After that it gets real messy. Sometimes the Moderate wins (See Joe Lieberman), sometimes the Moderate only succeeds in splitting the DNC or GOP vote (see Perot or Nader).

It'll be an interesting race.
 
Crist has no chance, none. He's finito.

He's only doing this because Obama put him up to it.

If the gay fluffer thing pans out for Crist, Obama will hire him as the Ambassador to Fredrick's of Hollywood

once again you show absolutely no political acumen.

crist is the only one of the three candidates with statewide experience. and in a place like florida, with six separate media outlets, that is huge.

you're also discouting the fact that he has almost a 60% approval rating as governor. i'll assume for sake of argument that a goodly portion of the other 40% are rightwing repubs who will vote for rubio and would never have voted for crist in any event.

will crist win?? it's too early to say. but don't underestimate his popularity with independent voters. there's also no way to tell yet if he's going to pick off votes from the dem side or the repub side. as of right now, it looks like he's going to split the vote

oh...and it should also be noted that a self-financed billionaire dem just entered the race and there's no telling what that will do to the equation.
 
Crist has no chance, none. He's finito.

He's only doing this because Obama put him up to it.

If the gay fluffer thing pans out for Crist, Obama will hire him as the Ambassador to Fredrick's of Hollywood

once again you show absolutely no political acumen.

crist is the only one of the three candidates with statewide experience. and in a place like florida, with six separate media outlets, that is huge.

you're also discouting the fact that he has almost a 60% approval rating as governor. i'll assume for sake of argument that a goodly portion of the other 40% are rightwing repubs who will vote for rubio and would never have voted for crist in any event.

will crist win?? it's too early to say. but don't underestimate his popularity with independent voters. there's also no way to tell yet if he's going to pick off votes from the dem side or the repub side. as of right now, it looks like he's going to split the vote

oh...and it should also be noted that a self-financed billionaire dem just entered the race and there's no telling what that will do to the equation.

Again, let me reiterate: Crist has no chance whatsoever of winning the Senate seat.

Instead of doing the honorable thing after his drubbing in the primary, and supporting the guy who beat him, Crist is acting on orders from the Community Organizer in the WH and becoming an anarchist.

One mo' time: Crist has no chance of winning the Senate seat and should spend his time practicing for his audition as a gay fluffer
 
Crist has no chance, none. He's finito.

He's only doing this because Obama put him up to it.

If the gay fluffer thing pans out for Crist, Obama will hire him as the Ambassador to Fredrick's of Hollywood

once again you show absolutely no political acumen.

crist is the only one of the three candidates with statewide experience. and in a place like florida, with six separate media outlets, that is huge.

you're also discouting the fact that he has almost a 60% approval rating as governor. i'll assume for sake of argument that a goodly portion of the other 40% are rightwing repubs who will vote for rubio and would never have voted for crist in any event.

will crist win?? it's too early to say. but don't underestimate his popularity with independent voters. there's also no way to tell yet if he's going to pick off votes from the dem side or the repub side. as of right now, it looks like he's going to split the vote

oh...and it should also be noted that a self-financed billionaire dem just entered the race and there's no telling what that will do to the equation.

I think its going to be hard for Crist to win. He doesn't have an infrastructure nor does he have the ground troops.

He may peel off enough to deny Rubio a win, however. A strong Democrat can easily win 40% of the vote in Florida. Meek isn't a strong Democrat, though.
 
Yes, because this is so 2006. Follow the dynamics NYcarbineer.

Well, if you're so fucking smart, then why don't YOU tell US what the material differences are between

2006 - Joe Lieberman loses primary and runs as Independent.

2010 - Charlie Crist loses primary and runs as Independent.

List the material differences, material as in making it un-hypocritical for the right to cheer Lieberman and yet excoriate Crist.

Go!!!

Crist first call was to Rahm Emanuel

So you say.
 
Well, if you're so fucking smart, then why don't YOU tell US what the material differences are between

2006 - Joe Lieberman loses primary and runs as Independent.

2010 - Charlie Crist loses primary and runs as Independent.

List the material differences, material as in making it un-hypocritical for the right to cheer Lieberman and yet excoriate Crist.

Go!!!

Crist first call was to Rahm Emanuel

So you say.

The folks in CT. voted FOR Lieberman. They know a good serviceable liberal when they see one, even if they share a fraction of common sense when it comes to national security concerns.

The folks in FLA. are clearly not gonna give anything to Crist. They already TOLD the dopey bastard "no."

And his first call to Rahmbo Emmanuel is not JUST "according to" Crusader Frank.

Crist called Rahm
By Eric Zimmermann - 04/29/10 02:20 PM ET

Charlie Crist tried to contact Rahm Emanuel as he made his decision to become an independent, Marc Ambinder reports:

Charlie Crist, soon to be independent Senate candidate from Florida, tried to reach White House chief of staff Emanuel through intermediates. WH refuses to take the call. Dems plan big talent/money blitz for Kendrick Meek. BTW: Obama's approval rating in FL is in high 40s, per internal Dem polling.
Crist called Rahm - The Hill's Ballot Box

But it MIGHT have been his SECOND call . . . . :eusa_whistle:
 
(1) Remember that CF is an agenda-driven loon that ignores facts.

(2) I don't know where CC is asking BHO for help, but that cannot hurt him in Miami or along I-4, where most of the votes reside.
 
Here's Obama with his Florida sock puppet. Notice Crist can't talk while Obama is clapping, it's only when Obama can use his hand that Crist can move mouth again. I'm waiting for the day to come when Crist speaks while Obama is drinking a glass of water

Oh, also notice the "I didn't endorse the Stimulus Lie"

Neo-National Socialists keep forgetting they no longer have a media monopoly and can't drop events down the memory hole like they use to

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkPwJeGEI68]YouTube - Unbelievable: Crist Denies Supporting Stimulus[/ame]
 
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