Charles Krauthammer Explains Problem With Ground Zero Mosque Perfectly

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

"A place is made sacred by a widespread belief that it was visited by the miraculous or the transcendent (Lourdes, the Temple Mount), by the presence there once of great nobility and sacrifice (Gettysburg), or by the blood of martyrs and the indescribable suffering of the innocent (Auschwitz). When we speak of Ground Zero as hallowed ground, what we mean is that it belongs to those who suffered and died there -- and that such ownership obliges us, the living, to preserve the dignity and memory of the place, never allowing it to be forgotten, trivialized or misappropriated. ... Religious institutions in this country are autonomous. Who is to say that the [near-Ground Zero] mosque won't one day hire an Anwar al-Aulaqi -- spiritual mentor to the Fort Hood shooter and the Christmas Day bomber, and one-time imam at the Virginia mosque attended by two of the 9/11 terrorists? An Aulaqi preaching in Virginia is a security problem. An Aulaqi preaching at Ground Zero is a sacrilege. Location matters. Especially this location. Ground Zero is the site of the greatest mass murder in American history -- perpetrated by Muslims of a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed. ... America is a free country where you can build whatever you want -- but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all. These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz -- and no mosque at Ground Zero. Build it anywhere but there." --columnist Charles Krauthammer

Sacrilege at Ground Zero - Opinion - PatriotPost.US


A little visual help. As you can see the proposed 13 story ceneter will be taller than the building (the 10 story one one to the right of the destroyed building in the middle of the last picture, the mosque/center will be built right behind it). With the mosque being the at the top of the building it will be in clear view of ground zero.

 

[jillian]

that's nice. but what does charlie suggest we do with the constitution?

i suppose it would make nice wallpaper.

(btw, i disagree with his premise. it would make sense for the mosque to be built elsewhere for other reasons).

i don't understand what purpose all the whinging serves.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wow!

Common sense and decency, you hardly ever get any these days

 

[Truthmatters]

Muslims also died at ground zero.

There is NO good reason for prejudice and religious intolerance.

 

[jillian]

Muslims also died at ground zero.

There is NO good reason for prejudice and religious intolerance.

stop it.

yes, muslims died at ground zero...

but that is irrelevant to the issue of whether a group claiming it wants to 'mend fences' and 'build bridges' SHOULD build there.

THAT is the reality.

 

[jillian]

Wow!

Common sense and decency, you hardly ever get any these days

Well, yeah, but you could always stop posting.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

"A place is made sacred by a widespread belief that it was visited by the miraculous or the transcendent (Lourdes, the Temple Mount), by the presence there once of great nobility and sacrifice (Gettysburg), or by the blood of martyrs and the indescribable suffering of the innocent (Auschwitz). When we speak of Ground Zero as hallowed ground, what we mean is that it belongs to those who suffered and died there -- and that such ownership obliges us, the living, to preserve the dignity and memory of the place, never allowing it to be forgotten, trivialized or misappropriated. ... Religious institutions in this country are autonomous. Who is to say that the [near-Ground Zero] mosque won't one day hire an Anwar al-Aulaqi -- spiritual mentor to the Fort Hood shooter and the Christmas Day bomber, and one-time imam at the Virginia mosque attended by two of the 9/11 terrorists? An Aulaqi preaching in Virginia is a security problem. An Aulaqi preaching at Ground Zero is a sacrilege. Location matters. Especially this location. Ground Zero is the site of the greatest mass murder in American history -- perpetrated by Muslims of a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed. ... America is a free country where you can build whatever you want -- but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all. These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz -- and no mosque at Ground Zero. Build it anywhere but there." --columnist Charles Krauthammer

Sacrilege at Ground Zero - Opinion - PatriotPost.US

Is Charles still looking for the miracle that would have him leaping out of his chair?




The Mosque will NOT be in view of ground zero. end of story

plus, America is supposed to be a free country. I don't care what Muslims in America do -- that is legal.

 

[johnrocks]

Ex Walter Mondale Democrat neo con- liberal Kraudehammer is a great word smith; I'll give him that; but the lip stick he's placing on this pig is the Constitution and it's been "porked" enough. It would have been a great article had he stopped at "America is a free country where you can build whatever you want -- but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all. These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics."

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wow!

Common sense and decency, you hardly ever get any these days

Well, yeah, but you could always stop posting.

As soon as Progressives stop lying

 

[bodecea]

"A place is made sacred by a widespread belief that it was visited by the miraculous or the transcendent (Lourdes, the Temple Mount), by the presence there once of great nobility and sacrifice (Gettysburg), or by the blood of martyrs and the indescribable suffering of the innocent (Auschwitz). When we speak of Ground Zero as hallowed ground, what we mean is that it belongs to those who suffered and died there -- and that such ownership obliges us, the living, to preserve the dignity and memory of the place, never allowing it to be forgotten, trivialized or misappropriated. ... Religious institutions in this country are autonomous. Who is to say that the [near-Ground Zero] mosque won't one day hire an Anwar al-Aulaqi -- spiritual mentor to the Fort Hood shooter and the Christmas Day bomber, and one-time imam at the Virginia mosque attended by two of the 9/11 terrorists? An Aulaqi preaching in Virginia is a security problem. An Aulaqi preaching at Ground Zero is a sacrilege. Location matters. Especially this location. Ground Zero is the site of the greatest mass murder in American history -- perpetrated by Muslims of a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed. ... America is a free country where you can build whatever you want -- but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all. These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz -- and no mosque at Ground Zero. Build it anywhere but there." --columnist Charles Krauthammer

Sacrilege at Ground Zero - Opinion - PatriotPost.US

Has Charlie ever been to Gettysburg? Hallowed Ground tourist trap is more like it.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

that's nice. but what does charlie suggest we do with the constitution?

i suppose it would make nice wallpaper.

(btw, i disagree with his premise. it would make sense for the mosque to be built elsewhere for other reasons).

i don't understand what purpose all the whinging serves.

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He made a simple and excellent point. Charles did not say that they don't have the right to build it there. He is commenting on the wisdom and sensibilities of the location being on hallowed ground.

In other words your constitution comment, to me right now, appears to be drama for show in an effort to put a stick in my eye for posting as it doesn't relate to his comment.

 

[martybegan]

"A place is made sacred by a widespread belief that it was visited by the miraculous or the transcendent (Lourdes, the Temple Mount), by the presence there once of great nobility and sacrifice (Gettysburg), or by the blood of martyrs and the indescribable suffering of the innocent (Auschwitz). When we speak of Ground Zero as hallowed ground, what we mean is that it belongs to those who suffered and died there -- and that such ownership obliges us, the living, to preserve the dignity and memory of the place, never allowing it to be forgotten, trivialized or misappropriated. ... Religious institutions in this country are autonomous. Who is to say that the [near-Ground Zero] mosque won't one day hire an Anwar al-Aulaqi -- spiritual mentor to the Fort Hood shooter and the Christmas Day bomber, and one-time imam at the Virginia mosque attended by two of the 9/11 terrorists? An Aulaqi preaching in Virginia is a security problem. An Aulaqi preaching at Ground Zero is a sacrilege. Location matters. Especially this location. Ground Zero is the site of the greatest mass murder in American history -- perpetrated by Muslims of a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed. ... America is a free country where you can build whatever you want -- but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all. These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz -- and no mosque at Ground Zero. Build it anywhere but there." --columnist Charles Krauthammer

Sacrilege at Ground Zero - Opinion - PatriotPost.US

interesting to see an internal moral debate in writing. Its like he knows that legally there is no real way to oppose the building of it, but he is definitely against it and uses some interesting historical backup for it.

 

[Shogun]

Muslims also died at ground zero.

There is NO good reason for prejudice and religious intolerance.

stop it.

yes, muslims died at ground zero...

but that is irrelevant to the issue of whether a group claiming it wants to 'mend fences' and 'build bridges' SHOULD build there.

THAT is the reality.

dead muslims are irrelevant even though they died just as noble of a death as anyone else that day, eh?


sad that you think so. Those muslims have just as much reason to "mend a fence" as you do to "apologize" for fraudulent investment practices.

THAT is the reality.

 

[Sherry]

If Obama would have made that speech, his popularity would have skyrocketed.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

"A place is made sacred by a widespread belief that it was visited by the miraculous or the transcendent (Lourdes, the Temple Mount), by the presence there once of great nobility and sacrifice (Gettysburg), or by the blood of martyrs and the indescribable suffering of the innocent (Auschwitz). When we speak of Ground Zero as hallowed ground, what we mean is that it belongs to those who suffered and died there -- and that such ownership obliges us, the living, to preserve the dignity and memory of the place, never allowing it to be forgotten, trivialized or misappropriated. ... Religious institutions in this country are autonomous. Who is to say that the [near-Ground Zero] mosque won't one day hire an Anwar al-Aulaqi -- spiritual mentor to the Fort Hood shooter and the Christmas Day bomber, and one-time imam at the Virginia mosque attended by two of the 9/11 terrorists? An Aulaqi preaching in Virginia is a security problem. An Aulaqi preaching at Ground Zero is a sacrilege. Location matters. Especially this location. Ground Zero is the site of the greatest mass murder in American history -- perpetrated by Muslims of a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed. ... America is a free country where you can build whatever you want -- but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all. These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz -- and no mosque at Ground Zero. Build it anywhere but there." --columnist Charles Krauthammer

Sacrilege at Ground Zero - Opinion - PatriotPost.US

interesting to see an internal moral debate in writing. Its like he knows that legally there is no real way to oppose the building of it, but he is definitely against it and uses some interesting historical backup for it.

If you read his entire article, in the link I provided, you will see he does not say they can not build it there, only that they should not build it there

 

[jillian]

If Obama would have made that speech, his popularity would have skyrocketed.

why would he say something as absurd and pointless as what krauthammer did given it's irrelevant?

and it only would have skyrocked with rightwingnuts who'd put their eyes out before they'd vote for him.

so there ya go.

if we wanted another neocon extremist, we'd have voted for one.

 

[Truthmatters]

Muslims also died at ground zero.

There is NO good reason for prejudice and religious intolerance.

stop it.

yes, muslims died at ground zero...

but that is irrelevant to the issue of whether a group claiming it wants to 'mend fences' and 'build bridges' SHOULD build there.

THAT is the reality.

There were Muslim Americans working in the WTC building who died on 911.

I dont know what the fuck you think I was saying , I was agreeing with building a mosque near the sight.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[Sherry]

If Obama would have made that speech, his popularity would have skyrocketed.

why would he say something as absurd and pointless as what krauthammer did given it's irrelevant?

and it only would have skyrocked with rightwingnuts who'd put their eyes out before they'd vote for him.

so there ya go.

if we wanted another neocon extremist, we'd have voted for one.

Wrong. Obama has lost the Independents who got him elected, and they would have approved of him being in touch with their line of thinking. You don't have to agree with Charle's opinion to acknowledge that fact.

 

[Big Black Dog]

I agree with Mr. Krauthammer. He's a smart cookie that is full of wisdom. Where is the religious tolerance that the muslims shout that we don't have at their every opportunity? Is tolerance only a one-way situation? There is more politics involved in the building of this mosque than an interest in religion and the right to worship there. I vote not only no but HELL NO.