Charles C. W. Cooke: The lies that gun control extremists believe and tell....

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Cooke is great......you should read his work. Here he explains the truth about guns that gun control extremists either don't know, or lie about.....

He also talks about the Gun Violence Archive, a resource the anti-gun extremists use to lie to the American people....

How Media Misinformation About Mass Murderers is Harming Us

Having failed for decades to induce the voting public to back its draconian and unconstitutional agenda, the American gun-control movement has hit upon a pernicious alternative to persuasion and political argument: Fear.

To accomplish their goals of more gun bans and restrictions, gun-control groups are now focused on trying to convince Americans of things that are simply not true. Many in the mainstream media are helping them do this by printing their disinformation with few questions asked.

Thus, it has to come pass that many voters believe the number of crimes committed with firearms has risen over the last 30 years; they believe this even though, in fact, the number has fallen dramatically. This overall decline has occurred as the number of guns in private hands has more than doubled, as the number of concealed carriers has risen to around 20 million and as the laws governing the sale, ownership and use of firearms have been loosened almost everywhere.

Thus, many voters falsely believe that Americaā€™s schools were more dangerous in 2019 than they were in 1999, even though the opposite is the case.

Plus, many voters now think mass shootingsā€”which, although devastating, remain mercifully rareā€”are happening every single day in the United States.

This lattermost lieā€”that mass shootings are ubiquitous rather than unusualā€”has gained particular currency since the launch, in 2013, of a shameless propaganda outlet named the ā€œGun Violence Archiveā€ (GVA). The purpose of this so-called archive is to massively overstate the number of mass shootings and to launder that overstatement through media outlets that favor more gun-control laws.

Unfortunately, the GVA has been somewhat successful in its aimā€”that success has had disastrous consequences not only for the publicā€™s conception of reality but also for public policy. On the basis of the GVAā€™s preposterous numbers, the press has been busy convincing children and parents that Americaā€™s public schools resemble the O.K. Corral; the mainstream media pushes this narrative even though, in fact, the U.S. is more peaceful than it has been in living memory.

To understand the extraordinary scale of the GVAā€™s dishonesty, consider that, for the year 2015, it counted 335 mass shootings. The FBI, in contrast, counted six that year. The open-source index kept by the left-leaning Mother Jones magazine counted just seven (and they counted the San Bernardino terrorist attack). As Mark Follman noted in The New York Times in 2015, the number of mass shootings since 1982 was then 73ā€”which means that, by his count, there had been five times fewer incidents over the preceding 33 years than the GVA was claiming had occurred in a single year. In the U.S., a person is about as likely to die in a mass shooting as to be struck by lightning, but one would not know this from listening to the press.
 
Great Britain only kills a few with guns. We kill thousands. We should do what they are doing.
 
Great Britain only kills a few with guns. We kill thousands. We should do what they are doing.


Then we would have to change out our entire history, change our culture and get rid of our criminals for theirs.....

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

  • If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950ā€™s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80ā€™s it was shotguns, and in the late 90ā€™s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didnā€™t help the UKā€™s murder rate.
  • Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws ā€” and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
  • Then in the late 80ā€™s Florida passed ā€œMust Issueā€ conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired ā€” and if gun control worked, youā€™d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
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Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

  1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isnā€™t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
  2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
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  4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latinoā€™s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latinoā€™s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset ā€” the U.S.ā€™s white murder rate to the UKā€™s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.

    Racist:Now around this time, people that canā€™t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either Iā€™m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, itā€™s just facts.

    The problem isnā€™t racial in America, but it is cultural.


    Black immigrants donā€™t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.


    And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. Itā€™s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.

    So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.


    And whiteā€™s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) ā€” so we know that gun control doesnā€™t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.

    And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.
Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

  • Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
  • The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since Iā€™m pretty sure most people donā€™t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether youā€™re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?
Another thing gun-controller advocates either donā€™t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.
 
Great Britain only kills a few with guns. We kill thousands. We should do what they are doing.

Like what. Kill with knives, machettes, cars, trucks, bombs like they do? Mentally ill people are going to kill, they will find a method.



And their entire argument ends when one is shown that as more Americans own and carry guns.....our gun murder rate went down 49%.....that can't be possible according to them......our gun crime rate went down 75%.......75%.....that can't be possible according to them....our violent crime rate went down 72%.....again, not possible according to them...

They can't explain this...
 
Great Britain only kills a few with guns. We kill thousands. We should do what they are doing.

Like what. Kill with knives, machettes, cars, trucks, bombs like they do? Mentally ill people are going to kill, they will find a method.

We don't have more mentally ill people than them per capita, but we kill lots more innocent people.
 
Great Britain only kills a few with guns. We kill thousands. We should do what they are doing.

Like what. Kill with knives, machettes, cars, trucks, bombs like they do? Mentally ill people are going to kill, they will find a method.



And their entire argument ends when one is shown that as more Americans own and carry guns.....our gun murder rate went down 49%.....that can't be possible according to them......our gun crime rate went down 75%.......75%.....that can't be possible according to them....our violent crime rate went down 72%.....again, not possible according to them...

They can't explain this...

The argument doesn't end there. You just wish it would.
 
Great Britain only kills a few with guns. We kill thousands. We should do what they are doing.

Like what. Kill with knives, machettes, cars, trucks, bombs like they do? Mentally ill people are going to kill, they will find a method.
What is the murder rate in the UK compared to here


The murder rate in the U.K. has always been lower than the United States.....long before they banned and confiscated guns.....while we increased our number of gun owners and people who carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%....in Britain, they banned guns and their gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to about the same level as before the ban...

This shows....that access to guns by normal people does not increase the gun murder rate or the gun crime rate.....
 
Great Britain only kills a few with guns. We kill thousands. We should do what they are doing.

Like what. Kill with knives, machettes, cars, trucks, bombs like they do? Mentally ill people are going to kill, they will find a method.



And their entire argument ends when one is shown that as more Americans own and carry guns.....our gun murder rate went down 49%.....that can't be possible according to them......our gun crime rate went down 75%.......75%.....that can't be possible according to them....our violent crime rate went down 72%.....again, not possible according to them...

They can't explain this...

The argument doesn't end there. You just wish it would.


No.....I point out the reasons why our murder rates are different....you say the only reason is guns.....that is the difference...
 
Great Britain only kills a few with guns. We kill thousands. We should do what they are doing.

Like what. Kill with knives, machettes, cars, trucks, bombs like they do? Mentally ill people are going to kill, they will find a method.
What is the murder rate in the UK compared to here


Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nationā€™s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearmā€”assaults, robberies and sex crimesā€”was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....


In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
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Maine tops ā€˜safest statesā€™ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a ā€œConstitutional Carryā€ law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Reportā€™s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a ā€œConstitutional Carryā€ state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same ā€œsafest statesā€ ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader ā€œCrime and Correctionsā€ category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the ā€œCrime and Correctionsā€ category and also second in the categories used to rank the ā€œsafest states.ā€

The U.S. News and World Report ā€œBest Statesā€ rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in ā€œPersonal and Residential Safetyā€ among the fifty states, and third overall.
 
Great Britain only kills a few with guns. We kill thousands. We should do what they are doing.

Like what. Kill with knives, machettes, cars, trucks, bombs like they do? Mentally ill people are going to kill, they will find a method.
What is the murder rate in the UK compared to here


The murder rate in the U.K. has always been lower than the United States.....long before they banned and confiscated guns.....while we increased our number of gun owners and people who carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%....in Britain, they banned guns and their gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to about the same level as before the ban...

This shows....that access to guns by normal people does not increase the gun murder rate or the gun crime rate.....

It doesn't show that at all. You just want it to show that. There are a lot more factors involved.
 
Great Britain only kills a few with guns. We kill thousands. We should do what they are doing.

Like what. Kill with knives, machettes, cars, trucks, bombs like they do? Mentally ill people are going to kill, they will find a method.

We don't have more mentally ill people than them per capita, but we kill lots more innocent people.

Link or did you pull that out your ass?
 

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