Charles C.W. Cooke takes apart 4th Circuit gun ban ruling....

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IN this article National Review writer Charles Cooke takes apart the unConstitutional ruling of the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals on Assault rifles and standard magazines....

The Fourth Circuit Runs Roughshod over Heller and the Second Amendment

As Judge Traxler’s dissent pointedly establishes, the majority achieved this transformation by contriving “a heretofore unknown ‘test,’ which is whether the firearm in question is ‘most useful in military service.’” In effect, this “test” is designed to permit judges to determine that any weapon they might dislike is unprotected by the Second Amendment and can therefore be prohibited with impunity. Forget that Heller contains its own explicit tests. Forget the “common use” standard. Forget “dangerous and unusual.” There’s a new kid in town, and he’s coming for your rifles.

What counts as “most useful in military service” under this rubric? Well . . . everything, theoretically. “Under the majority’s analysis,” the dissenters contend, “a settler’s musket, the only weapon he would likely own and bring to militia service, would be most useful in military service — undoubtedly a weapon of war — and therefore not protected by the Second Amendment.” Indeed, “the ‘most useful in military service’ rubric would remove nearly all firearms from Second Amendment protection as nearly all firearms can be useful in military service.” A standard semi-automatic handgun is plausibly “most useful in military service.” So, too, is a hunting rifle. So is a sword. Perhaps the Fourth Circuit would like to strip the constitutional protection from those weapons, too?


That, of course would be absurd — not only because it would render the Second Amendment meaningless as a check on state action, but because the Supreme Court has already delivered clear instructions to the contrary.


In Caetano v. Massachusetts, which, recall, was decided per curiam, Justice Alito explained in no uncertain terms that “even a stun gun capable of only non-lethal force is suitable for military use,” but that this did not mean that stun guns could be banned.


Alito sits on the Supreme Court, and was writing in concurrence with the other eight justices. Perhaps the Fourth Circuit has forgotten where it sits in the pecking order.


Or perhaps the Fourth’s majority is unfamiliar with Caetano. Certainly, its grasp of Heller is wanting.

In pushing back against the majority’s newfangled test, the dissenters correctly note that “Heller in no way suggests that the military usefulness of a weapon disqualifies it from Second Amendment protection.


That is the majority’s singular concoction.” Indeed it is. As for Heller’s “common use” and “dangerous and unusual” standards, both of those are thrown casually out the window.

The evidence, notes Judge Traxler, leads one to the “unavoidable conclusion that popular semiautomatic rifles such as the AR-15 are commonly possessed by American citizens for lawful purposes within the meaning of Heller.”


Moreover, the record “shows unequivocally that magazines with a capacity of greater than 10 rounds are commonly kept by American citizens, as there are more than 75 million such magazines owned by them in the United States.”

But the majority doesn’t care about that, choosing to apply only the “military” standard that it has invented. Evidently, it does not matter to Judge King that the standard in Heller is “dangerous and unusual” [italics mine] — i.e. that commonly owned, “usual” weapons cannot be prohibited on the grounds that they are particularly lethal.

Nor, apparently, is King concerned that the Court ruled in Caetano that “the relative dangerousness of a weapon is irrelevant when the weapon belongs to a class of arms commonly used for lawful purposes.” He and his colleagues had a conclusion to reach, and by gum were they going to get there.

Read more at: The Fourth Circuit Runs Roughshod over Heller and the Second Amendment

Read more at: The Fourth Circuit Runs Roughshod over Heller and the Second Amendment
 
He also points out that the 4th circuit clowns even ignore their previous ruling in another case....

Most worrying of all, the majority concludes its trail of destruction by playing preemptive games with the standard of review. Because it sets “assault weapons” outside of the Constitution’s remit, the majority never reaches the question of scrutiny. But it nevertheless wants us to know that it would have applied intermediate scrutiny, and that the law in question would have passed without difficulty. This is extraordinary. For a start, if the majority had decided that the Second Amendment applied, it would have been duty bound to apply strict scrutiny. As Judge Traxler notes, “once it is determined that a given weapon is covered by the Second Amendment, then obviously the in-home possession of that weapon for self-defense is core Second Amendment conduct and strict scrutiny must apply to a law that prohibits it.”

From where, one might ask, did he get that idea?

The answer: From United States v. Hosford. And which Circuit decided that case? The Fourth. Not content simply to break with its own precedent, the majority then has the gall to justify its departure as if Heller had never been issued.


Read more at: The Fourth Circuit Runs Roughshod over Heller and the Second Amendment
 
Snowflakes hissyfitting again?
For someone that hates America so much, you sure don't mind people trying to take our only defense against those corrupt fucks away.


The funny thing is......at this point...Trump is the only guy following actual court rulings.....since the 4th Circuit has now ignored it's own Precedent.......and the Supreme Court Ruling in Heller.....they completely ignored the ruling as if it didn't exist....

This is why it was important for Trump to win......these guys do not rule on the law, they are activists in robes....
 
Snowflakes hissyfitting again?
For someone that hates America so much, you sure don't mind people trying to take our only defense against those corrupt fucks away.


This is how absurd the 4th's ruling is......

A Federal Court of Appeals Goes to War against the Second Amendment

But wait, he can do the exact same thing with an M1 Garand, an actual (more powerful) military weapon that’s specifically exempted from Maryland’s ban.
As the dissent notes, under the majority’s reasoning, “it is legal in Maryland to possess a rifle that was actually used by our military on the battlefield, but illegal to possess a rifle never used by our military.”


Read more at: A Federal Court of Appeals Goes to War against the Second Amendment
 
The 4th makes the rule in this case.

It is following the appeals, so simply appeal it.
 
The 4th makes the rule in this case.

It is following the appeals, so simply appeal it.


It will be.....but that isn't the point....this is why it is nuts to say that only the courts can say what is and isn't Constitutional.....since this ruling...as shown...ignores the Supreme Court Precedent......and the 4th's own Precedent......the law was not followed here in any way shape or form....
 
The term 'weapons of war' exactly defines the issue.

You don't need a recoiless rifle. And you have no constitutional right to such a weapon.
 
The term 'weapons of war' exactly defines the issue.

You don't need a recoiless rifle. And you have no constitutional right to such a weapon.


No...it doesn't....Heller specifically addresses that as Cooke points out....that is a new term the 4th circuit just made up.....'

Again....

A flint lock rifle was a military rifle.

A lever action rifle was a military rifle.

A bolt action rifle still is a military rifle.

A pump action shot gun still is a military weapon.

A 6 shot revolver was a military pistol.

The Colt m1911, 1911 the year when it was created...was a military pistol....it has a 7 round magazine....making a 10 round magazine a high capacity magazine......

So every single type of gun that a civilian can own could be classified out of 2nd Amendment protection based on this ruling by the 4th Circuit.....since they were all used in the military....

And as Cooke points out......The Supreme Court already said that military use is not the standard for the 2nd Amendment...the 4th made up their own ruling and also ignored their prior Precedent on this issue......
 
The term 'weapons of war' exactly defines the issue.

You don't need a recoiless rifle. And you have no constitutional right to such a weapon.


A recoiless rifle is a crew served weapon moron.
 
The 4th makes the rule in this case.

It is following the appeals, so simply appeal it.


No...the Supreme Court makes the rules....and already did in Heller v. The District of Columbia.....
 
The term 'weapons of war' exactly defines the issue.

You don't need a recoiless rifle. And you have no constitutional right to such a weapon.


And here Cooke addresses your stupid point....

In Caetano v. Massachusetts, which, recall, was decided per curiam, Justice Alito explained in no uncertain terms that “even a stun gun capable of only non-lethal force is suitable for military use,” but that this did not mean that stun guns could be banned.


Alito sits on the Supreme Court, and was writing in concurrence with the other eight justices. Perhaps the Fourth Circuit has forgotten where it sits in the pecking order.


Or perhaps the Fourth’s majority is unfamiliar with Caetano. Certainly, its grasp of Heller is wanting.

In pushing back against the majority’s newfangled test, the dissenters correctly note that “Heller in no way suggests that the military usefulness of a weapon disqualifies it from Second Amendment protection.

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As for Heller’s “common use” and “dangerous and unusual” standards, both of those are thrown casually out the window.

The evidence, notes Judge Traxler, leads one to the “unavoidable conclusion that popular semiautomatic rifles such as the AR-15 are commonly possessed by American citizens for lawful purposes within the meaning of Heller.”


Moreover, the record “shows unequivocally that magazines with a capacity of greater than 10 rounds are commonly kept by American citizens, as there are more than 75 million such magazines owned by them in the United States.”

But the majority doesn’t care about that, choosing to apply only the “military” standard that it has invented. Evidently, it does not matter to Judge King that the standard in Heller is “dangerous and unusual” [italics mine] — i.e. that commonly owned, “usual” weapons cannot be prohibited on the grounds that they are particularly lethal.

Nor, apparently, is King concerned that the Court ruled in Caetano that “the relative dangerousness of a weapon is irrelevant when the weapon belongs to a class of arms commonly used for lawful purposes.” He and his colleagues had a conclusion to reach, and by gum were they going to get there.
 
The term 'weapons of war' exactly defines the issue.

You don't need a recoiless rifle. And you have no constitutional right to such a weapon.


A recoilless Rifle is a crew served weapon.....

Recoilless rifle - Wikipedia
the majority of recoilless rifles in service are mounted on light tripods and intended to be carried by a small 2- or 3-man crew. The largest versions, such as the British 120 mm L4 MoBAT and L6 Wombat, retain enough bulk and recoil to be restricted to a firm vehicular mount, such as on a jeep, truck, or armored personnel carrier.
 
The 4th makes the rule in this case.

It is following the appeals, so simply appeal it.


The 4th even ignored it's own prior ruling on this issue.....and made up a new standard...So even your point in your own post shows that the 4th actually already ruled against their own new ruling.....



As Judge Traxler notes, “once it is determined that a given weapon is covered by the Second Amendment, then obviously the in-home possession of that weapon for self-defense is core Second Amendment conduct and strict scrutiny must apply to a law that prohibits it.”

From where, one might ask, did he get that idea?

The answer: From United States v. Hosford. And which Circuit decided that case? The Fourth. Not content simply to break with its own precedent, the majority then has the gall to justify its departure as if Heller had never been issued.
 
IN this article National Review writer Charles Cooke takes apart the unConstitutional ruling of the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals on Assault rifles and standard magazines....

The Fourth Circuit Runs Roughshod over Heller and the Second Amendment

As Judge Traxler’s dissent pointedly establishes, the majority achieved this transformation by contriving “a heretofore unknown ‘test,’ which is whether the firearm in question is ‘most useful in military service.’” In effect, this “test” is designed to permit judges to determine that any weapon they might dislike is unprotected by the Second Amendment and can therefore be prohibited with impunity. Forget that Heller contains its own explicit tests. Forget the “common use” standard. Forget “dangerous and unusual.” There’s a new kid in town, and he’s coming for your rifles.

What counts as “most useful in military service” under this rubric? Well . . . everything, theoretically. “Under the majority’s analysis,” the dissenters contend, “a settler’s musket, the only weapon he would likely own and bring to militia service, would be most useful in military service — undoubtedly a weapon of war — and therefore not protected by the Second Amendment.” Indeed, “the ‘most useful in military service’ rubric would remove nearly all firearms from Second Amendment protection as nearly all firearms can be useful in military service.” A standard semi-automatic handgun is plausibly “most useful in military service.” So, too, is a hunting rifle. So is a sword. Perhaps the Fourth Circuit would like to strip the constitutional protection from those weapons, too?


That, of course would be absurd — not only because it would render the Second Amendment meaningless as a check on state action, but because the Supreme Court has already delivered clear instructions to the contrary.


In Caetano v. Massachusetts, which, recall, was decided per curiam, Justice Alito explained in no uncertain terms that “even a stun gun capable of only non-lethal force is suitable for military use,” but that this did not mean that stun guns could be banned.


Alito sits on the Supreme Court, and was writing in concurrence with the other eight justices. Perhaps the Fourth Circuit has forgotten where it sits in the pecking order.


Or perhaps the Fourth’s majority is unfamiliar with Caetano. Certainly, its grasp of Heller is wanting.

In pushing back against the majority’s newfangled test, the dissenters correctly note that “Heller in no way suggests that the military usefulness of a weapon disqualifies it from Second Amendment protection.


That is the majority’s singular concoction.” Indeed it is. As for Heller’s “common use” and “dangerous and unusual” standards, both of those are thrown casually out the window.

The evidence, notes Judge Traxler, leads one to the “unavoidable conclusion that popular semiautomatic rifles such as the AR-15 are commonly possessed by American citizens for lawful purposes within the meaning of Heller.”


Moreover, the record “shows unequivocally that magazines with a capacity of greater than 10 rounds are commonly kept by American citizens, as there are more than 75 million such magazines owned by them in the United States.”

But the majority doesn’t care about that, choosing to apply only the “military” standard that it has invented. Evidently, it does not matter to Judge King that the standard in Heller is “dangerous and unusual” [italics mine] — i.e. that commonly owned, “usual” weapons cannot be prohibited on the grounds that they are particularly lethal.

Nor, apparently, is King concerned that the Court ruled in Caetano that “the relative dangerousness of a weapon is irrelevant when the weapon belongs to a class of arms commonly used for lawful purposes.” He and his colleagues had a conclusion to reach, and by gum were they going to get there.

Read more at: The Fourth Circuit Runs Roughshod over Heller and the Second Amendment

Read more at: The Fourth Circuit Runs Roughshod over Heller and the Second Amendment

The Supreme Court will overturn the 4th, which will end the attempt to disarm "assault weapons" once and for all. With Gorsuch on the court, this unconstitutional ruling by the activist 4th has literally zero chance of surviving, which will have to effect of ending similar bans in New York and California.

I think the anti-liberty crowd have played this stupidly, though they started this confident that Hillary Clinton would be appointing a far left justice hostile to the Constitution and civil liberty. With Gorsuch on the bench, the reversal of this will set a precedent equal in impact to Heller itself.
 
The 4th makes the rule in this case.

It is following the appeals, so simply appeal it.


No...the Supreme Court makes the rules....and already did in Heller v. The District of Columbia.....
And it will again. I am glad that you think you should not have a recoiless rifle. You don't need a machine gun. Or a rocket launcher. Or mines.

Glad to see you growing up.
 
Here....a closer look at Heller....

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

Read in isolation, Miller’s phrase “part of ordinary military equipment” could mean that only those weapons useful in warfare are protected. That would be a startling reading of the opinion, since it would mean that the National Firearms Act’s restrictions on machineguns (not challenged in Miller) might be unconstitutional, machineguns being useful in warfare in 1939. We think that Miller’s “ordinary military equipment” language must be read in tandem with what comes after: “[O]rdinarily when called for [militia] service [able-bodied] men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.” 307 U. S., at 179. The traditional militia was formed from a pool of men bringing arms “in common use at the time” for lawful purposes like self-defense. “In the colonial and revolutionary war era, [small-arms] weapons used by militiamen and weapons used in defense of person and home were one and the same.” State v. Kessler, 289 Ore. 359, 368, 614 P. 2d 94, 98 (1980) (citing G. Neumann, Swords and Blades of the American Revolution 6–15, 252–254 (1973)). Indeed, that is precisely the way in which the Second

We therefore read Miller to say only that the Second Amendment does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns. That accords with the historical understanding of the scope of the right, see Part III, infra.25

There are over 8 million AR-15s in private hands today.......and the other rifles that take magazines make this number even higher......
 
The 4th makes the rule in this case.

It is following the appeals, so simply appeal it.


No...the Supreme Court makes the rules....and already did in Heller v. The District of Columbia.....
And it will again. I am glad that you think you should not have a recoiless rifle. You don't need a machine gun. Or a rocket launcher. Or mines.

Glad to see you growing up.


A machine gun is also a crew served weapon....a rifle with select fire is not...so a rifle that can fire semi, or fully automatic is allowed, since it can be carried by an individual.....
 

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