Changing the equation

the amount of storage is small, inefficient and inadequate for purpose.

Which is why they are making larger batteries with more efficient storage and retrieval. Battery technology has moved forward a great deal given the advent of cell phones, tablets, hybrid vehicles and cordless power tools.

We are no longer bound to the dry cell and lead acid batteries of yore.

All the batteries you are talking about are small scale. Making a battery big enough to power a city would be as big as a city.

Read and learn!

Battery Energy Storage System for Grid Stabilization AEG Power Solutions

GE Energy Storage Durathon Battery - Energy Power Technologies for Grid Storage

Grid Scale Batteries Large Scale Energy Storage Aquion Energy

Cheap zinc air battery promises beefier power grid - CNET

They are there to stabilize the energy grid. Why would they be building these storage batteries if they weren't cost effective?


I certainly hope you're right. but more typically we get......

SOLYNDRA® Solar is one of the worlds most advanced photovoltaic system using CIGS (copper indium gallium selenide) technology, these cells are known for their high degree of conversion efficiency. The SOLYNDRA® Solarsystem is set to revolutionise the way roof space is used to generate clean, green energy for your building.

You are looking at the exception rather than the rule. The US government investment in green power is actually showing a profit even after you factor in losses like Solyndra.

Exclusive Controversial U.S. energy loan program has wiped out losses Reuters
 
the amount of storage is small, inefficient and inadequate for purpose.

Which is why they are making larger batteries with more efficient storage and retrieval. Battery technology has moved forward a great deal given the advent of cell phones, tablets, hybrid vehicles and cordless power tools.

We are no longer bound to the dry cell and lead acid batteries of yore.

All the batteries you are talking about are small scale. Making a battery big enough to power a city would be as big as a city.

Read and learn!

Battery Energy Storage System for Grid Stabilization AEG Power Solutions

GE Energy Storage Durathon Battery - Energy Power Technologies for Grid Storage

Grid Scale Batteries Large Scale Energy Storage Aquion Energy

Cheap zinc air battery promises beefier power grid - CNET

They are there to stabilize the energy grid. Why would they be building these storage batteries if they weren't cost effective?

You like a bunch of sales pitches and call it proof. Where is one of these operating, and without government subsidy?

Texas and California are the start ups on a state wide scale.

Oncor proposes giant leap for grid batteries Dallas Morning News

The rest are what are called micro-grids.

Environmentally-Friendly Battery Energy Storage System to Be Installed at UC San Diego

If they are all they are cracked up to be, they will take over on their own via the market. What we typically see is these things can only survive with government intervention.
 
Which is why they are making larger batteries with more efficient storage and retrieval. Battery technology has moved forward a great deal given the advent of cell phones, tablets, hybrid vehicles and cordless power tools.

We are no longer bound to the dry cell and lead acid batteries of yore.

All the batteries you are talking about are small scale. Making a battery big enough to power a city would be as big as a city.

Read and learn!

Battery Energy Storage System for Grid Stabilization AEG Power Solutions

GE Energy Storage Durathon Battery - Energy Power Technologies for Grid Storage

Grid Scale Batteries Large Scale Energy Storage Aquion Energy

Cheap zinc air battery promises beefier power grid - CNET

They are there to stabilize the energy grid. Why would they be building these storage batteries if they weren't cost effective?

You like a bunch of sales pitches and call it proof. Where is one of these operating, and without government subsidy?

Texas and California are the start ups on a state wide scale.

Oncor proposes giant leap for grid batteries Dallas Morning News

The rest are what are called micro-grids.

Environmentally-Friendly Battery Energy Storage System to Be Installed at UC San Diego

If they are all they are cracked up to be, they will take over on their own via the market. What we typically see is these things can only survive with government intervention.

Actually there appears to be a growing "off the grid" market for them already.
 
All the batteries you are talking about are small scale. Making a battery big enough to power a city would be as big as a city.

Read and learn!

Battery Energy Storage System for Grid Stabilization AEG Power Solutions

GE Energy Storage Durathon Battery - Energy Power Technologies for Grid Storage

Grid Scale Batteries Large Scale Energy Storage Aquion Energy

Cheap zinc air battery promises beefier power grid - CNET

They are there to stabilize the energy grid. Why would they be building these storage batteries if they weren't cost effective?

You like a bunch of sales pitches and call it proof. Where is one of these operating, and without government subsidy?

Texas and California are the start ups on a state wide scale.

Oncor proposes giant leap for grid batteries Dallas Morning News

The rest are what are called micro-grids.

Environmentally-Friendly Battery Energy Storage System to Be Installed at UC San Diego

If they are all they are cracked up to be, they will take over on their own via the market. What we typically see is these things can only survive with government intervention.

Actually there appears to be a growing "off the grid" market for them already.

Good for the off the grid people, but again, that is small scale. Many an engineering dream has been nullified by scale up incompatibility.
 
All the big banks control the energy markets..........a collusion with world governments. The fix is in....these banks happily pay paltry fines after investigations and continue to ensure the profit margin is such for them to be able to deal in the derivatives market. Prior to 2008, it was epic. Now? Its 10X worse. In the meantime, public policy in energy is nothing but smoke and mirrors to perpetuate the status quo but keep all interest groups thinking they are winning. Of course, everybody is losing.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324170004578637662037547582

Ironic that the mouthpiece of the Wall Street Casino bosses blows the whistle on one of their own scams. But that only happened because the government regulators caught them eventually.


and slapped them with a 10 cent fine!!! Yep ahhhh ( takes toke on ciggy in classic Denis Leary fashion).....that'll really keep a tight lid on things!!!:eusa_dance::boobies::boobies:
 
Weve been hearing this theory/philosophy on solar and wind for over ten years and still, they haven't moved the goalposts even a yard...............solar is now up to meeting a whopping 0.2% of our energy needs:fu:. Five years ago, the k00ks on here were telling us it'd be up to near 20%!!!

Every reliable source on the face of the planet ( including the Obama EIA) indicates that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out to 2050, fossil fuels dominate the energy landscape.

Thinking anything otherwise is..............


 
How many wild promises like this have already proven to be nothing more than pie in the sky? You would think that the number of failures that have come back to bite you in the ass would impart at least a touch of skepticism and cause some small bit of critical thinking on your part.

Guess you are so blinded by your faith that reality rarely enters the picture. Coal no longer feasible in 5 years? Are you kidding....and do you really believe your own bullshit?
Internal combustion engines took how many years before the ones we have today were perfected?
 
How many wild promises like this have already proven to be nothing more than pie in the sky? You would think that the number of failures that have come back to bite you in the ass would impart at least a touch of skepticism and cause some small bit of critical thinking on your part.

Guess you are so blinded by your faith that reality rarely enters the picture. Coal no longer feasible in 5 years? Are you kidding....and do you really believe your own bullshit?
Internal combustion engines took how many years before the ones we have today were perfected?



What a fucking dummy......:disbelief:........:eusa_dance:

Internal combustion engines of today are almost exactly the way they were 80 years ago!!! Very little difference.....just more efficient.:coffee:


Moonglow......do have to give you credit for being very genuine and idealistic though and Im serious..........
 
How many wild promises like this have already proven to be nothing more than pie in the sky? You would think that the number of failures that have come back to bite you in the ass would impart at least a touch of skepticism and cause some small bit of critical thinking on your part.

Guess you are so blinded by your faith that reality rarely enters the picture. Coal no longer feasible in 5 years? Are you kidding....and do you really believe your own bullshit?
Internal combustion engines took how many years before the ones we have today were perfected?



What a fucking dummy......:disbelief:........:eusa_dance:

Internal combustion engines of today are almost exactly the way they were 80 years ago!!! Very little difference.....just more efficient.:coffee:
The ones today are more efficient, thank you for answering the question without knowing you actually did. It has taken 80 years to perfect a machine to work better, yet you think that the machine of solar power should be efficient now or it will never make it...Why not?? The internal combustion engine did....
 
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13% of all energy comes from renewable sources. Just over half of that is hydroelelectric power and one third (4%) is from wind power. Solar is lagging behind but will eventually catch up once the cost effectiveness of home installations becomes affordable for the average home. Then rooftops across the nation will start generating their own power and thus decrease the load on the grid. This has already happened in some areas like Phoenix where homeowners are actually getting credits from their utilities and are having zero bills during peak air conditioning months.
 
How many wild promises like this have already proven to be nothing more than pie in the sky? You would think that the number of failures that have come back to bite you in the ass would impart at least a touch of skepticism and cause some small bit of critical thinking on your part.

Guess you are so blinded by your faith that reality rarely enters the picture. Coal no longer feasible in 5 years? Are you kidding....and do you really believe your own bullshit?
Internal combustion engines took how many years before the ones we have today were perfected?

Probably as perfected as they will ever be and even at that still only 35% energy efficient.
 
13% of all energy comes from renewable sources. Just over half of that is hydroelelectric power and one third (4%) is from wind power. Solar is lagging behind but will eventually catch up once the cost effectiveness of home installations becomes affordable for the average home. Then rooftops across the nation will start generating their own power and thus decrease the load on the grid. This has already happened in some areas like Phoenix where homeowners are actually getting credits from their utilities and are having zero bills during peak air conditioning months.

yeah, Phoenix.....

Try that in Maine.

Plus hydroelectric power has its detractors from the environmental movement as well.
 
13% of all energy comes from renewable sources. Just over half of that is hydroelelectric power and one third (4%) is from wind power. Solar is lagging behind but will eventually catch up once the cost effectiveness of home installations becomes affordable for the average home. Then rooftops across the nation will start generating their own power and thus decrease the load on the grid. This has already happened in some areas like Phoenix where homeowners are actually getting credits from their utilities and are having zero bills during peak air conditioning months.

yeah, Phoenix.....

Try that in Maine.

Plus hydroelectric power has its detractors from the environmental movement as well.

That is why you will find more wind energy plants in Maine. You will also find tidal power in places like Maine rather than Arizona because they each have their own geographic advantages and disadvantages.

First Tidal Power in U.S. Starts Flowing to the Grid - IEEE Spectrum
 

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