Challenge to Conservatives: Name a Head of State More Conservative than Obama

[JimBowie1958]

Simple task.

Just name a head of state that has Obama's view on any major issue from *his* nation's point of view.

It's not as easy as it may sound initially.

 

[Douger]

Past or present ?
Adolf Hitler comes to mind.He is the gawd of the repugniskanks.

 

[editec]

Define "conservative"

The word has no definition that makes sense.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Past or present ?
Adolf Hitler comes to mind.He is the gawd of the repugniskanks.

I am talking about the present as the past would be way too easy.

And Hitler was a leftist, not a conservative. Had he been conservative he would have restored the Kaiser as promised and he did not.

BTW, name one nationally recognised conservative who has embraced Hitler. You cant because the claim that Republicans admire Hitler is a fucking lie and you know it.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Define "conservative"

The word has no definition that makes sense.

Yeah, it's relative to each culture and each generation of that culture.

1968's hippy is todays conservative stalwart in far too many cases.

But there are some principled conservative sets of ideas, in this country I think GK Chesterton was one of the earliest proponents, following down to Russel Kirk, William F Buckley and others.

But essentially it is 19th century liberalism, supporting individual liberty, fair markets, social morality, cultural tradition, community interests and small government that has a division of powers.

Today's neocons would call it socialist anarchism, lol.

 

[koshergrl]

for the life of me I cannot understand why it matters if there are dozens of conservative heads of state. The US has always stood above, and therefore apart from, the rest.

Cripes what is this insistence that we sink to the level of everybody else?

 

[JimBowie1958]

for the life of me I cannot understand why it matters if there are dozens of conservative heads of state. The US has always stood above, and therefore apart from, the rest.

Cripes what is this insistence that we sink to the level of everybody else?

No, it is not a matter of us sinking anywhere.

I am simply wanting to do a reality check here.

I simply cannot find a single head of state today that is more conservative than Obama.

And yet people on the right are in such a tizzy that they think the US will unravel entirely if Obama gets another four years in office.

But if you were able to replace him with another head of state, who would you pick?

For myself, I think Obama has shown some things I personally do not like, but over all, we in the US have been blessed to have *this* much control over the direction our country has gone, and that is a credit to our Founding Fathers who did the best they could do to prevent a European centralization of power from occuring in our nation.

 

[bitterlyclingin]

Past or present ?
Adolf Hitler comes to mind.He is the gawd of the repugniskanks.

Adolf Hitler was the head of the German National Socialist Party.

Obama is a Socialist

Hitler was a Socialist

What part of the word Socialist don't you understand?

In both Hitler's and Obama's versions of Socialism, the individual has no rights. No one has any rights unless bequeathed by an Omnipotent State.

"The rights of man come from the hand of God and not from the benevolence of the State"
JFK

 

[Sallow]

Past or present ?
Adolf Hitler comes to mind.He is the gawd of the repugniskanks.

I am talking about the present as the past would be way too easy.

And Hitler was a leftist, not a conservative. Had he been conservative he would have restored the Kaiser as promised and he did not.

BTW, name one nationally recognised conservative who has embraced Hitler. You cant because the claim that Republicans admire Hitler is a fucking lie and you know it.

Hitler was right wing. He was extremely conservative. He was a very religious Roman Catholic who sought and got..the approval of the Catholic Pope Pius. He mission was one people, one race, one religion and one nation. He wanted the "hinterlands" and tradition to be state doctrine. There's nothing more conservative then that.

 

[Sallow]

To the OP?

I can think of many:

-Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
-Bashar al-Assad
-King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia
-Juan Manuel Santos
-Otto Pérez Molina
-Alexander Lukashenko

 

[Douger]

Past or present ?
Adolf Hitler comes to mind.He is the gawd of the repugniskanks.

I am talking about the present as the past would be way too easy.

And Hitler was a leftist, not a conservative. Had he been conservative he would have restored the Kaiser as promised and he did not.

BTW, name one nationally recognised conservative who has embraced Hitler. You cant because the claim that Republicans admire Hitler is a fucking lie and you know it.

Patriot"acts" 1 and 2
Case closed.

 

[NLT]

Simple task.

Just name a head of state that has Obama's view on any major issue from *his* nation's point of view.

It's not as easy as it may sound initially.

Putin..well maybe after Sunday.

 

[California Girl]

Past or present ?
Adolf Hitler comes to mind.He is the gawd of the repugniskanks.

I am talking about the present as the past would be way too easy.

And Hitler was a leftist, not a conservative. Had he been conservative he would have restored the Kaiser as promised and he did not.

BTW, name one nationally recognised conservative who has embraced Hitler. You cant because the claim that Republicans admire Hitler is a fucking lie and you know it.

Hitler was right wing. He was extremely conservative. He was a very religious Roman Catholic who sought and got..the approval of the Catholic Pope Pius. He mission was one people, one race, one religion and one nation. He wanted the "hinterlands" and tradition to be state doctrine. There's nothing more conservative then that.

As Cardinal Secretary of State, Pacelli signed a Concordat between Germany and the Vatican at a ceremony in Rome on 20 July 1933. His pontificate began on the eve of World War II. In the 1937 encyclical Mit brennender Sorge, drafted by Pope Pius XII when he was still a cardinal,[67] Pope Pius XI denounced Nazism and breaches of the Reichskonkordat. Read from the pulpits of all German Catholic churches, it has been described as the first official denunciation of Nazism made by any major organization.

[68] Nazi persecution of the Church in Germany then began by "outright repression" and "staged prosecutions of monks for homosexuality, with the maximum of publicity."[133] When Dutch bishops protested against the deportation of Jews, the Nazis responded by deporting Jewish converts, including Edith Stein.[68]
In Poland, the Nazis murdered over 2,500 monks and priests and others were sent to concentration camps.[133] The Priester-Block (priests barracks) in the Dachau concentration camp lists 2,600 Roman Catholic priests.[66]

Pope Pius XII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're a liar, Swallow. No shock there.

 

[Sallow]

I am talking about the present as the past would be way too easy.

And Hitler was a leftist, not a conservative. Had he been conservative he would have restored the Kaiser as promised and he did not.

BTW, name one nationally recognised conservative who has embraced Hitler. You cant because the claim that Republicans admire Hitler is a fucking lie and you know it.

Hitler was right wing. He was extremely conservative. He was a very religious Roman Catholic who sought and got..the approval of the Catholic Pope Pius. He mission was one people, one race, one religion and one nation. He wanted the "hinterlands" and tradition to be state doctrine. There's nothing more conservative then that.

As Cardinal Secretary of State, Pacelli signed a Concordat between Germany and the Vatican at a ceremony in Rome on 20 July 1933. His pontificate began on the eve of World War II. In the 1937 encyclical Mit brennender Sorge, drafted by Pope Pius XII when he was still a cardinal,[67] Pope Pius XI denounced Nazism and breaches of the Reichskonkordat. Read from the pulpits of all German Catholic churches, it has been described as the first official denunciation of Nazism made by any major organization.

[68] Nazi persecution of the Church in Germany then began by "outright repression" and "staged prosecutions of monks for homosexuality, with the maximum of publicity."[133] When Dutch bishops protested against the deportation of Jews, the Nazis responded by deporting Jewish converts, including Edith Stein.[68]
In Poland, the Nazis murdered over 2,500 monks and priests and others were sent to concentration camps.[133] The Priester-Block (priests barracks) in the Dachau concentration camp lists 2,600 Roman Catholic priests.[66]

Pope Pius XII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're a liar, Swallow. No shock there.

Want to swallow my jiz, again? Sandy?

Crap.

And it's no surprise you come to the defense of Pope Pius..who signed the treaty in the first place.

It was Christians..like yourself..that put Jews into ovens.

Never forget. Nazi Bitch.

 

[Peach]

Past or present ?
Adolf Hitler comes to mind.He is the gawd of the repugniskanks.

I am talking about the present as the past would be way too easy.

And Hitler was a leftist, not a conservative. Had he been conservative he would have restored the Kaiser as promised and he did not.

BTW, name one nationally recognised conservative who has embraced Hitler. You cant because the claim that Republicans admire Hitler is a fucking lie and you know it.

Patriot"acts" 1 and 2
Case closed.

Look at the NATIONAL in National Socialist.

 

[Peach]

I am talking about the present as the past would be way too easy.

And Hitler was a leftist, not a conservative. Had he been conservative he would have restored the Kaiser as promised and he did not.

BTW, name one nationally recognised conservative who has embraced Hitler. You cant because the claim that Republicans admire Hitler is a fucking lie and you know it.

Hitler was right wing. He was extremely conservative. He was a very religious Roman Catholic who sought and got..the approval of the Catholic Pope Pius. He mission was one people, one race, one religion and one nation. He wanted the "hinterlands" and tradition to be state doctrine. There's nothing more conservative then that.

As Cardinal Secretary of State, Pacelli signed a Concordat between Germany and the Vatican at a ceremony in Rome on 20 July 1933. His pontificate began on the eve of World War II. In the 1937 encyclical Mit brennender Sorge, drafted by Pope Pius XII when he was still a cardinal,[67] Pope Pius XI denounced Nazism and breaches of the Reichskonkordat. Read from the pulpits of all German Catholic churches, it has been described as the first official denunciation of Nazism made by any major organization.

[68] Nazi persecution of the Church in Germany then began by "outright repression" and "staged prosecutions of monks for homosexuality, with the maximum of publicity."[133] When Dutch bishops protested against the deportation of Jews, the Nazis responded by deporting Jewish converts, including Edith Stein.[68]
In Poland, the Nazis murdered over 2,500 monks and priests and others were sent to concentration camps.[133] The Priester-Block (priests barracks) in the Dachau concentration camp lists 2,600 Roman Catholic priests.[66]

Pope Pius XII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're a liar, Swallow. No shock there.

Hitler a devout Catholic? WHEN? He only attended the Catholic Church in his youth; he stopped taking the sacraments thereafter. Cali Girl has the history correct.

 

[Sallow]

Hitler was right wing. He was extremely conservative. He was a very religious Roman Catholic who sought and got..the approval of the Catholic Pope Pius. He mission was one people, one race, one religion and one nation. He wanted the "hinterlands" and tradition to be state doctrine. There's nothing more conservative then that.

As Cardinal Secretary of State, Pacelli signed a Concordat between Germany and the Vatican at a ceremony in Rome on 20 July 1933. His pontificate began on the eve of World War II. In the 1937 encyclical Mit brennender Sorge, drafted by Pope Pius XII when he was still a cardinal,[67] Pope Pius XI denounced Nazism and breaches of the Reichskonkordat. Read from the pulpits of all German Catholic churches, it has been described as the first official denunciation of Nazism made by any major organization.

[68] Nazi persecution of the Church in Germany then began by "outright repression" and "staged prosecutions of monks for homosexuality, with the maximum of publicity."[133] When Dutch bishops protested against the deportation of Jews, the Nazis responded by deporting Jewish converts, including Edith Stein.[68]
In Poland, the Nazis murdered over 2,500 monks and priests and others were sent to concentration camps.[133] The Priester-Block (priests barracks) in the Dachau concentration camp lists 2,600 Roman Catholic priests.[66]

Pope Pius XII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're a liar, Swallow. No shock there.

Hitler a devout Catholic? WHEN? He only attended the Catholic Church in his youth; he stopped taking the sacraments thereafter. Cali Girl has the history correct.

"History" here is a tale told by the winners..who were Christian as well. They've tried to scrub this..and continue on with idiocy like "Pope Pius really hated the Nazis.." and other crapola. Almost every European country is in denial about their treatment of Jews during this time period. It's like a collective amnesia or worse yet..revisionism has set in. Camps? In Poland? Surely you jest. The French helped send the Jews packing? Au Contraire, they were "partisans"!

Hitler incorporated Christianity into his rhetoric. There are passages in Mein Kampf that elude that he was doing "God's Work". And Germany was for the most part, a majority of Christians. Hitler attended church as well. He did the whole "God is on our side" schtick to a "T".

 

[bitterlyclingin]

There was no place planned or set aside for the Catholic Church in Hitler's future Reich, anymore than there was a place allocated for the Jews. What was in store was a Godless, atheistic, all consuming State.

 

[Dragon]

Someone's confusing Hitler with Stalin methinks. The "National" in "National Socialist" was real; the "Socialist" part was only public relations. Those Nazis that took it seriously all bit the dust in the Night of the Long Knives.

Regarding the OP's question, as has already been observed there are many national leaders today who are more conservative than Obama. However, although this was not pointed out it's obvious from the list that none of them head advanced nations. It's easy to find nations further to the right than ours if you go slumming in relatively primitive, poor, third-world countries. But when you compare the U.S., even under Obama, let alone under a Republican, to our actual peers, we consistently come off as the troglodytes of the developed world.

 

[bripat9643]

Simple task.

Just name a head of state that has Obama's view on any major issue from *his* nation's point of view.

It's not as easy as it may sound initially.

Angela Merkel
benjamin netanyahu

Actually, aside from a few like Castro and the latest ditcator of North Korea, they are all more conservative than Obama. Even Hugo Chavez is more conservative than Obama.