Censorship, American-Style

[PoliticalChic]

She worked for a trade magazine. Do you know what a trade magazine is? Do you know what a magazine is? Do you know what writers for magazines do?

Aha!

So...finally plumbed the depths of your reading material!

Mad...Playboy....Reader's Digest!
You've seen it all.....

Your tell is your resorting to bad jokes when you've lost the argument.

How, would you be able to judge such?

I've read your posts....Considering your constellation of skills, how is it possible for you to decide whether to defecate or to wind you watch?

 

[The T]

Aha!

So...finally plumbed the depths of your reading material!

Mad...Playboy....Reader's Digest!
You've seen it all.....

Your tell is your resorting to bad jokes when you've lost the argument.

How, would you be able to judge such?

I've read your posts....Considering your constellation of skills, how is it possible for you to decide whether to defecate or to wind you watch?

And the marvel of doing both at the same time...

 

[rightwinger]

Naomi Riley told the truth. Black Studies reflect intellectual bankruptcy and are a waste of professor, student and classroom time. If the school wants a dissertation about Black Midwifery, as if it was somehow separate and apart from hispanic midwifery, or asian midwifery, it belongs in an Anthropology class on midwifery in general.

Your opinion of what is or isn't the truth here is irrelevant. The issue is whether or not a magazine has the right to decide who writes for them.

"The issue is whether or not a magazine has the right to decide who writes for them."

So that is the summary of your misunderstanding of this thread????

That explains so much of your blather!

From Prufrock: "That is not what I meant at all. That is not it, at all."

But then...you have no idea what Prufrock is, do you?
Yogurt has more active culture than you do.....


No...the thread is not "whether or not a magazine has the right..."

It is whether or not there is a form of censorship that emanates from the Left in this great nation....

and... quod erat demonstrandum.

Prufrock?

Wasn't he on Pokemon?

 

[koshergrl]

You mean like the Dixie Chicks?

What they have to teach you in college is that life is not fair. In the real world, unlike academics, you have to pay the piper. You get paid to be published and people don't like what you write....people stop paying you

Cry me a river PC

You seem overly concerned with my college education....

....did you miss having one?

Your inability to construct arguments based on your own analysis, logic, and critical thinking would suggest that whatever your education was,

it didn't help.

Still, whatever education she had puts your own to shame, troll.

 

[Intense]

So, you and the author of the opinion piece forgot to cite the statute enacted to censor this writer.

Otherwise, the Chronicle of Higher Education is a private, for profit entity, and as such may hire or fire employees as it sees fit, for any reason it desires, consequently this is not ‘censorship.’

Obviously the culture of rightwing victimhood is alive and well in conservative dogma.

Good point. The employer caved as a result from the pressure of the petition, abandoning principle in favor of a Lynch Mob. It clearly had nothing to d o with Censorship or Reason. They were totally within their Rights, as spineless as the choice was.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So, you and the author of the opinion piece forgot to cite the statute enacted to censor this writer.

Otherwise, the Chronicle of Higher Education is a private, for profit entity, and as such may hire or fire employees as it sees fit, for any reason it desires, consequently this is not ‘censorship.’

Obviously the culture of rightwing victimhood is alive and well in conservative dogma.

Good point. The employer caved as a result from the pressure of the petition, abandoning principle in favor of a Lynch Mob. It clearly had nothing to d o with Censorship or Reason. They were totally within their Rights, as spineless as the choice was.

Nor quite....

"This is plainly a politically correct response to a thug's veto and should be owned up to as such. Schaefer Riley contributed huge numbers of posts on a wide variety of topics at Brainstorm and she was clearly game to debate what she wrote. If her opinion is too much to bear - and it plainly is - academic discourse is in far worse shape than even the most anti-intellectual yahoo might think. Her Brainstorm colleagues felt free to take shots at her opinions, writing dissents and even poems about what they considered her faulty logic. Which is just how it should be, at a university-type setting of all places: Argue about stuff, don't just shut down viewpoints you disagree with!"
Chronicle of Higher Education Fires Blogger For Challenging Seriousness of Black Studies Depts. - Hit & Run : Reason.com

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Scores of critics on the site complained that I had not read the dissertations in full before daring to write about them—an absurd standard for a 500-word blog post. A number of the dissertations aren't even available. Which didn't seem to stop the Chronicle reporter, though."
Naomi Schaefer Riley: The Academic Mob Rules - WSJ.com

She also said:

"Finally, since this is a blog about academia and not journalism, I'll forgive the commenters for not understanding that it is not my job to read entire dissertations before I write a 500-word piece about them. I read some academic publications (as they relate to other research I do), but there are not enough hours in the day or money in the world to get me to read a dissertation on historical black midwifery. In fact, I'd venture to say that fewer than 20 people in the whole world will read it. And the same holds true for the others that are mentioned in the piece."

So she wants to end abolish black studies based on summaries of 5 dissertations, without studying the discipline? Which I'm sure someone could argue after reading 5 Phd dissertation summaries on English or Anthropology. "Isn't calling for the abolition of those departments based on the dissertations, and then bragging that you haven't read any of them, journalistic malpractice?"

Ta-Nehisi Coates - Authors - The Atlantic

So she admits she never even read them before attacking their academic merits. Typical sound bite Republicanism

"Typical sound bite Republicanism."
Really?

Is "MotherJones" Left-wing enough for ya'?

"There are excellent historical and political reasons for us to be sensitive, even oversensitive sometimes, toward broadbrush cultural criticisms with obvious racial overtones. But arguing — even badly — about the value of Black Studies shouldn't be on the list of topics with a glass jaw. It's an academic discipline, and like any academic discipline it should be fair game even for brutal criticism. Treating it like a delicate hothouse flower does it no favors."
The Perils of Criticizing Black Studies | Mother Jones


The issue seems far more clear to those folks than to you....

....does that mean that they are brighter? Or simply more honest.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Naomi Riley told the truth. Black Studies reflect intellectual bankruptcy and are a waste of professor, student and classroom time. If the school wants a dissertation about Black Midwifery, as if it was somehow separate and apart from hispanic midwifery, or asian midwifery, it belongs in an Anthropology class on midwifery in general.

Your opinion of what is or isn't the truth here is irrelevant. The issue is whether or not a magazine has the right to decide who writes for them.

"The issue is whether or not a magazine has the right to decide who writes for them."

So that is the summary of your misunderstanding of this thread????

That explains so much of your blather!

From Prufrock: "That is not what I meant at all. That is not it, at all."

But then...you have no idea what Prufrock is, do you?
Yogurt has more active culture than you do.....


No...the thread is not "whether or not a magazine has the right..."

It is whether or not there is a form of censorship that emanates from the Left in this great nation....

and... quod erat demonstrandum.

And do you wish to contend that it is something unique to the Left?

Why don't we look at an actual case of intolerance on a college campus, in the arena of academia, and NOT some business decision by a trade magazine:

Liberty University Derecognizes College Democrats

May 26, 2009

by Robert Shibley



FIRE has received a large number of e-mails asking for our take on the recent derecognition by Liberty University of its chapter of the College Democrats. For those who don't know, last week saw reports that Liberty University—a private, evangelical Christian university founded by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell—had determined that the campus chapter of the College Democrats could not be an official organization at Liberty because of its affiliation with the national Democratic Party. Mark Hine, Liberty's vice president of student affairs, explained the decision in an e-mail to the campus club, saying that its affiliation with the national Democratic Party was unacceptable because


The Democratic Party platform is contrary to the mission of Liberty University and to Christian doctrine (supports abortion, federal funding of abortion, advocates repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, promotes the "LGBT" agenda, hate crimes, which include sexual orientation and gender identity, socialism, etc.)

Liberty University Derecognizes College Democrats - The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education - FIRE

Okay?

Shall we agree to quit making the imbecilic claim that political correctness at our universities/colleges, etc. is some sort of uniquely Liberal practice??

 

[NYcarbineer]

So, you and the author of the opinion piece forgot to cite the statute enacted to censor this writer.

Otherwise, the Chronicle of Higher Education is a private, for profit entity, and as such may hire or fire employees as it sees fit, for any reason it desires, consequently this is not ‘censorship.’

Obviously the culture of rightwing victimhood is alive and well in conservative dogma.

Good point. The employer caved as a result from the pressure of the petition, abandoning principle in favor of a Lynch Mob. It clearly had nothing to d o with Censorship or Reason. They were totally within their Rights, as spineless as the choice was.

By that logic they'd have been 'spineless' either way, since there is obviously much opposition to what they did.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So, you and the author of the opinion piece forgot to cite the statute enacted to censor this writer.

Otherwise, the Chronicle of Higher Education is a private, for profit entity, and as such may hire or fire employees as it sees fit, for any reason it desires, consequently this is not ‘censorship.’

Obviously the culture of rightwing victimhood is alive and well in conservative dogma.

Good point. The employer caved as a result from the pressure of the petition, abandoning principle in favor of a Lynch Mob. .

Did Obama cave to the Lynch Mob in the Van Jones case?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your opinion of what is or isn't the truth here is irrelevant. The issue is whether or not a magazine has the right to decide who writes for them.

"The issue is whether or not a magazine has the right to decide who writes for them."

So that is the summary of your misunderstanding of this thread????

That explains so much of your blather!

From Prufrock: "That is not what I meant at all. That is not it, at all."

But then...you have no idea what Prufrock is, do you?
Yogurt has more active culture than you do.....


No...the thread is not "whether or not a magazine has the right..."

It is whether or not there is a form of censorship that emanates from the Left in this great nation....

and... quod erat demonstrandum.

And do you wish to contend that it is something unique to the Left?

Why don't we look at an actual case of intolerance on a college campus, in the arena of academia, and NOT some business decision by a trade magazine:

Liberty University Derecognizes College Democrats

May 26, 2009

by Robert Shibley



FIRE has received a large number of e-mails asking for our take on the recent derecognition by Liberty University of its chapter of the College Democrats. For those who don't know, last week saw reports that Liberty University—a private, evangelical Christian university founded by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell—had determined that the campus chapter of the College Democrats could not be an official organization at Liberty because of its affiliation with the national Democratic Party. Mark Hine, Liberty's vice president of student affairs, explained the decision in an e-mail to the campus club, saying that its affiliation with the national Democratic Party was unacceptable because


The Democratic Party platform is contrary to the mission of Liberty University and to Christian doctrine (supports abortion, federal funding of abortion, advocates repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, promotes the "LGBT" agenda, hate crimes, which include sexual orientation and gender identity, socialism, etc.)

Liberty University Derecognizes College Democrats - The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education - FIRE

Okay?

Shall we agree to quit making the imbecilic claim that political correctness at our universities/colleges, etc. is some sort of uniquely Liberal practice??

So, you have had an epiphany?

In all of the posts where you defended and supported censorship.....you now claim you were wrong?

Would that be a fair analysis of this post?

 

[PoliticalChic]

So, you and the author of the opinion piece forgot to cite the statute enacted to censor this writer.

Otherwise, the Chronicle of Higher Education is a private, for profit entity, and as such may hire or fire employees as it sees fit, for any reason it desires, consequently this is not ‘censorship.’

Obviously the culture of rightwing victimhood is alive and well in conservative dogma.

Good point. The employer caved as a result from the pressure of the petition, abandoning principle in favor of a Lynch Mob. .

Did Obama cave to the Lynch Mob in the Van Jones case?

This one is a bad example....

....Obama didn't cave to any lynch mob....he acted in his own self interest.

Outside of a boisterous fraction on this board, communism has very little support in the nation, and embracing an avowed communist would have moved him even lower in the polls than he stands now.


Anita Dunn .....the same.

 

[g5000]

It is whether or not there is a form of censorship that emanates from the Left in this great nation....

and... quod erat demonstrandum.

Anyone who did not know that the Right and Left both kick the nuts of members in their midst who do not drink the party bongwater, please raise your hand.


Anyone? Anyone?

"This is plainly a politically correct response to a thug's veto and should be owned up to as such. Schaefer Riley contributed huge numbers of posts on a wide variety of topics at Brainstorm and she was clearly game to debate what she wrote. If her opinion is too much to bear - and it plainly is - academic discourse is in far worse shape than even the most anti-intellectual yahoo might think. Her Brainstorm colleagues felt free to take shots at her opinions, writing dissents and even poems about what they considered her faulty logic. Which is just how it should be, at a university-type setting of all places: Argue about stuff, don't just shut down viewpoints you disagree with!"
Chronicle of Higher Education Fires Blogger For Challenging Seriousness of Black Studies Depts. - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Anyone who has been around awhile in academia or the scientific community knows the biggest, whiniest, most childishly vicious bunch of people out there are academics and scientists when they get their fur up. When they go after each other there are no holds barred. It's kindergarten level theatrics and insults.

This is a tempest in a teapot. A blogger lost her blog. Christ, I have been watching another group of people fight over a single post a video blogger made years ago. The war is still raging to this day over a single utterance made in that post! And some big names in the field have jumped into the fight and gotten right down in the mud with the rest of them.


Pffft. NRO's Fund couldn't even get his facts straight on this one! What's that say about him?

 

[rightwinger]

She also said:

"Finally, since this is a blog about academia and not journalism, I'll forgive the commenters for not understanding that it is not my job to read entire dissertations before I write a 500-word piece about them. I read some academic publications (as they relate to other research I do), but there are not enough hours in the day or money in the world to get me to read a dissertation on historical black midwifery. In fact, I'd venture to say that fewer than 20 people in the whole world will read it. And the same holds true for the others that are mentioned in the piece."

So she wants to end abolish black studies based on summaries of 5 dissertations, without studying the discipline? Which I'm sure someone could argue after reading 5 Phd dissertation summaries on English or Anthropology. "Isn't calling for the abolition of those departments based on the dissertations, and then bragging that you haven't read any of them, journalistic malpractice?"

Ta-Nehisi Coates - Authors - The Atlantic

So she admits she never even read them before attacking their academic merits. Typical sound bite Republicanism

"Typical sound bite Republicanism."
Really?

Is "MotherJones" Left-wing enough for ya'?
o she propose"There are excellent historical and political reasons for us to be sensitive, even oversensitive sometimes, toward broadbrush cultural criticisms with obvious racial overtones. But arguing — even badly — about the value of Black Studies shouldn't be on the list of topics with a glass jaw. It's an academic discipline, and like any academic discipline it should be fair game even for brutal criticism. Treating it like a delicate hothouse flower does it no favors."
The Perils of Criticizing Black Studies | Mother Jones


The issue seems far more clear to those folks than to you....

....does that mean that they are brighter? Or simply more honest.

So she proposes that the entire Black Studies program be abolished based on five dissertations she never bothered to read........sounds like she went to school with you

 

[OldUSAFSniper]

Political correctness is a tool used by the left to control EXACTLY what can be said and what cannot be said by the unwashed masses. After all, aren't they the real intelligent ones here? Don't they decide what we can say and what we cannot say... and by that very process, determine what we should and should not think?

I mean really, PoliticalChic... if you're going to CONTROL the masses, then you have to get them moving in the same direction. Soon, you'll be making the suggestion that we can say... GASP... anything. And you know that won't do...

Think 1984... you're not standing in line very well...

 

[PoliticalChic]

It is whether or not there is a form of censorship that emanates from the Left in this great nation....

and... quod erat demonstrandum.

Anyone who did not know that the Right and Left both kick the nuts of members in their midst who do not drink the party bongwater, please raise your hand.


Anyone? Anyone?

"This is plainly a politically correct response to a thug's veto and should be owned up to as such. Schaefer Riley contributed huge numbers of posts on a wide variety of topics at Brainstorm and she was clearly game to debate what she wrote. If her opinion is too much to bear - and it plainly is - academic discourse is in far worse shape than even the most anti-intellectual yahoo might think. Her Brainstorm colleagues felt free to take shots at her opinions, writing dissents and even poems about what they considered her faulty logic. Which is just how it should be, at a university-type setting of all places: Argue about stuff, don't just shut down viewpoints you disagree with!"
Chronicle of Higher Education Fires Blogger For Challenging Seriousness of Black Studies Depts. - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Anyone who has been around awhile in academia or the scientific community knows the biggest, whiniest, most childishly vicious bunch of people out there are academics and scientists when they get their fur up. When they go after each other there are no holds barred. It's kindergarten level theatrics and insults.

This is a tempest in a teapot. A blogger lost her blog. Christ, I have been watching another group of people fight over a single post a video blogger made years ago. The war is still raging to this day over a single utterance made in that post! And some big names in the field have jumped into the fight and gotten right down in the mud with the rest of them.


Pffft. NRO's Fund couldn't even get his facts straight on this one! What's that say about him?

Yeah....you're right...
...how did I miss it.

No biggie, lose your job over your opinion...

How about if it was your last name?
Ethnicity OK, too?


I pledge allegiance to....

How does that go again?

 

[g5000]

Yeah....you're right...
...how did I miss it.

No biggie, lose your job over your opinion...

Happens every day. If your opinion is that negroes are a bunch of inferior porch monkeys and you spout that out at work...buh-bye.

Who did Riley think she was working for, Hannity's web site?


The real idiocy in this topic is the implicit idea that only the Left acts this way.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Political correctness is a tool used by the left to control EXACTLY what can be said and what cannot be said by the unwashed masses. After all, aren't they the real intelligent ones here? Don't they decide what we can say and what we cannot say... and by that very process, determine what we should and should not think?

I mean really, PoliticalChic... if you're going to CONTROL the masses, then you have to get them moving in the same direction. Soon, you'll be making the suggestion that we can say... GASP... anything. And you know that won't do...

Think 1984... you're not standing in line very well...

I get your drift, Sniper....

But shouldn't we be amazed at how many folks in this thread have accepted the training of the Left, that either it's no big deal...or it is perfectly acceptable.

Yet....start a thread about the hero Senator Joseph McCarthy and one has to explain the difference.


Rather than thinking human beings, too many behave like iron filings in a magnetic field.

 

[The T]

Political correctness is a tool used by the left to control EXACTLY what can be said and what cannot be said by the unwashed masses. After all, aren't they the real intelligent ones here? Don't they decide what we can say and what we cannot say... and by that very process, determine what we should and should not think?

I mean really, PoliticalChic... if you're going to CONTROL the masses, then you have to get them moving in the same direction. Soon, you'll be making the suggestion that we can say... GASP... anything. And you know that won't do...

Think 1984... you're not standing in line very well...

I get your drift, Sniper....

But shouldn't we be amazed at how many folks in this thread have accepted the training of the Left, that either it's no big deal...or it is perfectly acceptable.

Yet....start a thread about the hero Senator Joseph McCarthy and one has to explain the difference.


Rather than thinking human beings, too many behave like iron filings in a magnetic field.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yeah....you're right...
...how did I miss it.

No biggie, lose your job over your opinion...

Happens every day. If your opinion is that negroes are a bunch of inferior porch monkeys and you spout that out at work...buh-bye.

Who did Riley think she was working for, Hannity's web site?


The real idiocy in this topic is the implicit idea that only the Left acts this way.

"If your opinion is that negroes are a bunch of inferior porch monkeys and you spout that out at work...buh-bye."

Here is the proof that the OP is spot on: in no way was that sentiment expressed, or suggested.

But you need that prevarication, or your position is indefensible.



For me, the beauty of his venue, the USMB, is that folks do say that...and get the argument from others.
And that's the way it should be in America. We don't shut down opinions, we debate them.
The answer to bad speech is good speech. I don't give neg reps for that reason: I debate in public.

And academia is the perfect stage....or should be.

Too bad you don't see that.



And you need to search high and low to find the same attitude from the Right. The Left controls almost all of the dissemination of information, from universities to
mass media.
Dispute that?