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[dilloduck]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
I don't assume money=happiness.

I assume that money makes the world go round. And alot of people don't get nearly what they disverve.

who doesn't get what they "deserve"?

 

[MrMarbles]

Originally posted by dilloduck
who doesn't get what they "deserve"?

Read earlier posts. Hard worling, decent people, born in the wrong parts of the world, yours and my country included.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
Read earlier posts. Hard worling, decent people, born in the wrong parts of the world, yours and my country included.

What keeps then down are tyrannical despotic leaders, not the evils of the free market system. Those blocking their access to free markets and the rights to operate companies are the problem.

 

[etoile]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
I don't assume money=happiness.

I assume that money makes the world go round. And alot of people don't get nearly what they disverve.

Not money as an end in itself, but money as a means to achieve other satisfaction? Why not?

 

[etoile]

Originally posted by Said1
They provide a product, we buy it - sort of supply, demand, profit You have to look at what they give up too, their lives are not their own. Again, this is their choice.

Yes. What scares me about the sacrifice is that others look and think that such a complete destruction of self is worth it. Apparently it was to the select few, but think about all of those that abandon other paths to success for this seemingly easy wealth and fame.

 

[crazy canadian]

Ya, I know I'd make it as an actress, but it's the thought of all that fame and loss of self that is holding me back.

 

[dilloduck]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
Read earlier posts. Hard worling, decent people, born in the wrong parts of the world, yours and my country included.

Hard work done anywhere has to be marketable. If I bust my ass every day in Alaska chopping holes through the ice, most people would call me stupid. You would say that I deserve a paycheck that is equivalent to everyone elses. People are responsible for thier choices. Are you saying people are too stupid to choose employment that will benefit them. Some people ARE happy with lower income jobs. It provides them with enough income to allow them to do what they find MORE enjoyable than what money can provide.

 

[Said1]

Originally posted by dilloduck
Hard work done anywhere has to be marketable. If I bust my ass every day in Alaska chopping holes through the ice, most people would call me stupid. You would say that I deserve a paycheck that is equivalent to everyone elses. People are responsible for thier choices. Are you saying people are too stupid to choose employment that will benefit them. Some people ARE happy with lower income jobs. It provides them with enough income to allow them to do what they find MORE enjoyable than what money can provide.

Grrrr I was going to say that

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by dilloduck
Some people ARE happy with lower income jobs. It provides them with enough income to allow them to do what they find MORE enjoyable than what money can provide.

I agree. Time is invaluable, if you know what to do with it.

I go to bed many nights thinking: damn, if only I had two hours left in my day.

 

[MrMarbles]

This has gone off track.

Everyone is egual, right?

Then everyone should have the same oppurtunites, right?

Do they get them now?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
This has gone off track.

Everyone is egual, right?

Then everyone should have the same oppurtunites, right?

Do they get them now?

No.

So you are saying that parents should not be able through their hard work and diligence to give their children opportunities other kids don't have. You libs would prefer that responsible living confer no advantage, so everyone becomes a ward of the state. You're a sick socialist freak.

There, now we're back on track.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Libs basically think like children "That's not fair." "Why do i have to study hard to get good grades when johnny doesn't have to?"

"Why can't I just do whatever I want with no consequences?"

We conservatives understand how you think, because we used to be children. But you don't understand our point of view, because you libs have never grown up.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

libs always run and hide in the face of truth. Go wallow in your sewer of moral relativity, lies, and envy. The country doesn't need you. Go to the EU and get on that Euroweenie you love so well.

 

[nycflasher]

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[Annie]

Flasher, the immaturity has returned.

 

[etoile]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
This has gone off track.

Everyone is egual, right?

Then everyone should have the same oppurtunites, right?

Do they get them now?

What do you mean by equal opportunity? If you mean "levelling the playing field" in every aspect of life, that is something that is actively being done, especially in public education.

Recently, I was part of a debate that discussed whether a public school's admissions should be based on an impartial examination only. AS part of my reseach for it, I read ACORN's (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) investigation that they called "secret apartheid" which analyzed the unfairness of the admissions test to New York City's Stuyvesant High School, Bronx High School of Science, and Brooklyn Technical High School.
(visit it at www.acorn.com and type in "secret apartheid" in the search.) The complaint is that minorities are underrepresented in Stuyvesant and Bronx Science (excluding Asians, this is true; Stuyvesant only has roughly 10% Black/Hispanic attendance). But how could a completely impartial test be biased against minorities?
Apparently, junior high schools don't offer all children equal opportunities in preparing for the examination, and therefore not everyone has an equal shot at getting in- and note, there are about 700 seats in Stuyvesant for 20,000 applicants. Also, studies have shown that schools in predominantly predominantly white neighborhoods or with a high population of whites and asians send many more students to the "science high schools" than mostly minority schools.
So, ACORN suggested the following solutions:
-establish such a curriculum in all Junior High schools of NYC, with the helf of representatives from the elite schools themselves, that would enable everybody to do well on the admissions test.
-until the above is implemented, admissions exams to all competitive high schools must be suspended.
-Every level of government must conduct its own investigation into the underrepresentation of minorities in these elite high schools.
-Spaces in these schools should be alotted via alternative methods, such as recommendation and review of records.

I admit, that provides equal opportunity, but it would increase, rather than diminish, racial tensions (that are practically nonexistent in Stuyvesant, at least), as a similar apporach did in the case of the famously selective Boston Latin school.
Also, a glance at the socioeconomic status of the students in these elite highschools- not the racial makeup- shows much greater diversity.

Is that what you meant by equal opportunity? A few students I know conducted an informal survey among the Hispanic and Black population of Stuyvesant High School about the fairness of the exam, and there was almost unanimous support for it.

That's just a small example of attemoting to level the playing field. ACORN's campaign did not actually achieve the removal of the exam, because it is now written in law (the Hecht-Calandra bill). However, there is such a thing as Discovery program where outstanding students in underprivelaged situations that scored close to the cutoff score for may participate in a summer program and then retake the test as another shot to get in.
However, other schools did not fare so well: consider the case of that school in Los Angeles, which was successful but considered "too Asian." Now its students have to accurately represent the racial composition of the neighborhood. Sure, that afforded equal opportunity, but what good did it do?

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Kathianne
Flasher, the immaturity has returned.

Sorry, just speaking my mind. That's what goes through my head when I am reading many of RWA's posts.

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by nycflasher
Sorry, just speaking my mind. That's what goes through my head when I am reading many of RWA's posts.

Ok, grow up. Hey new avatar rock's, reminds me of Jr. High!