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Emily Herx, Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

INDIANAPOLIS -- An Indiana teacher who says she was fired from a Roman Catholic school for using in vitro fertilization to try to get pregnant is suing in a case that could set up a legal showdown over reproductive and religious rights.

Emily Herx's lawsuit accuses the Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend and St. Vincent de Paul school in Fort Wayne of discrimination for her firing last June. Herx, 31, of Hoagland, Ind., says that the church pastor told her she was a "grave, immoral sinner" and that a scandal would erupt if anyone learned she had undergone in vitro fertilization, or IVF.

Emily Herx, Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

I understand the Church's reasoning and why they are against IVF. I just don't agree with it. Thoughts?

 

[rightwinger]

Once again, the Church embarrasses itself in it's fight to maintain 19th century sexual morals

 

[Dr.Drock]

My mom is a catholic who used it twice. Said she only wanted to get pregnant once, so she had twins, then they still had eggs or whatever they need to make that in vitro work and she thought it'd be immoral to not use them. As if they died or something (crazy i know), so she had my youngest brother (kid number 7).

I'm just glad I'm no longer religious. But seems my mom's view as a catholic must be the opposite of this church's.

 

[California Girl]

Emily Herx, Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

INDIANAPOLIS -- An Indiana teacher who says she was fired from a Roman Catholic school for using in vitro fertilization to try to get pregnant is suing in a case that could set up a legal showdown over reproductive and religious rights.

Emily Herx's lawsuit accuses the Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend and St. Vincent de Paul school in Fort Wayne of discrimination for her firing last June. Herx, 31, of Hoagland, Ind., says that the church pastor told her she was a "grave, immoral sinner" and that a scandal would erupt if anyone learned she had undergone in vitro fertilization, or IVF.

Emily Herx, Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

I understand the Church's reasoning and why they are against IVF. I just don't agree with it. Thoughts?

Are they asking you to agree with it? No.

Her decision. She knew she worked for the Catholic Church. You don't like the Catholic Church's views... fine... don't work for it.

 

[California Girl]

Once again, the Church embarrasses itself in it's fight to maintain 19th century sexual morals

Our morals are ours. We're not asking you to live by them... just don't work for the Church.

Stop trying to force us to live by your morals. Easy.

 

[rightwinger]

Once again, the Church embarrasses itself in it's fight to maintain 19th century sexual morals

Our morals are ours. We're not asking you to live by them... just don't work for the Church.

Stop trying to force us to live by your morals. Easy.

How many people that work for the Church use birth control?

 

[California Girl]

Once again, the Church embarrasses itself in it's fight to maintain 19th century sexual morals

Our morals are ours. We're not asking you to live by them... just don't work for the Church.

Stop trying to force us to live by your morals. Easy.

How many people that work for the Church use birth control?

Not relevant. The Church has the right to decide who it employs. You don't like that, fine. Don't work for the Church. This is not rocket science.

 

[California Girl]

Anyone who chooses to work for the Catholic Church is expected to abide by the tenants of the Church. They are told that before accepting a job. If they choose to accept that job - and those tenants - then the Church is perfectly entitled to expect them to fulfill that contract. If she did not, then that was her choice.

Personal responsibility.

 

[Ravi]

Emily Herx, Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

INDIANAPOLIS -- An Indiana teacher who says she was fired from a Roman Catholic school for using in vitro fertilization to try to get pregnant is suing in a case that could set up a legal showdown over reproductive and religious rights.

Emily Herx's lawsuit accuses the Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend and St. Vincent de Paul school in Fort Wayne of discrimination for her firing last June. Herx, 31, of Hoagland, Ind., says that the church pastor told her she was a "grave, immoral sinner" and that a scandal would erupt if anyone learned she had undergone in vitro fertilization, or IVF.

Emily Herx, Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

I understand the Church's reasoning and why they are against IVF. I just don't agree with it. Thoughts?

I think that unless the school gets some kind of taxpayer funding she is without a prayer.

 

[hjmick]

Thoughts? While I don't agree with the policy, she did sign the contract.

 

[TrinityPower]

I can see both sides here and I think this may not have happened had she not disclosed the info about the sick day for treatments knowing it is not an ok thing to do within the doctrine of the employer she works for. I also feel that in most cases of denominational faiths that everything in the doctrine is not agreed upon by every single person who chooses that denomination as their lifetime choice. Maybe her intent was honorable in that she wanted to procreate a family which in the catholic faith are called to do and when she started at the job the infertility situation was not yet known. I am not saying one side is right or wrong I just thought I would throw out there some possible reasoning and intent on the situation.

 

[Katzndogz]

If a liberal school can fire a teacher for smoking a cigarette, surely the Church can fire this teacher.

 

[Dr.Drock]

If a catholic can expand for me as to why they're against in vitro I'd appreciate it.

I'm a former catholic and had never heard of this, not trying to be a smartass or anything I'm just curious.

 

[California Girl]

If a catholic can expand for me as to why they're against in vitro I'd appreciate it.

I'm a former catholic and had never heard of this, not trying to be a smartass or anything I'm just curious.

Catholic Insight : Vatican : The moral status of in vitro fertilization (IVF) Biology and method

Infertile couples sometimes resort to IVF in order to conceive a child. IVF is a laboratory technique by which human embryos are conceived in a petri dish which contains a culture medium. The woman is given hormones which stimulate her ovaries to produce up to 30 or more oocyte (ova). These are retrieved by inserting a needle into the ovaries via the vagina with ultrasound guidance. These oocyte are mixed with sperm. The sperm is obtained by masturbation and is usually donated by the husband. If the husband is infertile however, the sperm may be obtained from another man. If the women is infertile, likewise, the oocyte may be obtained from another woman, whose ovaries have been similarly stimulated. The embryos thus conceived are usually allowed to grow up to the four-to-eight-cell stage over three to four days, at which time some of the embryos are implanted in the woman's uterus.

Embryos are sometimes implanted in the uterus other than that of the wife-a so-called "surrogate mother." Some researchers obtain oocyte from women who donate them for financial compensation in order to conceive embryos purely for research purposes. These women are pre-selected because they are judged to have the genetic qualities most appropriate for the purpose of that specific research.

Because of the availability of new culture media, it has recently become possible to let the embryos grow for up to seven days, by which time, only the most vigorous survive. This reduces the number of embryos implanted and increases the number of successful implantations, while also reducing the number of multiple pregnancies. Note that most embryos (up to 19 out of 20), conceived in IVF clinics eventually die. If they are not implanted, they are either "donated" for research, in which case they are killed, or they are kept in cold storage in very low temperatures after which most are disposed of, or eventually die. Since frequently several embryos are implanted at one time, multiple pregnancies occur. Not infrequently, early in pregnancy, some of these embryos are killed by injection of potassium chloride into the embryo's heart. This procedure is euphemistically called "fetal reduction."

Catholic Church teaching
A human being comes into existence at the moment of fertilization of an oocyte (ovum) by a sperm. This fact has been recognized by the science of Human Embryology since 1883, and is still acknowledged today. The Church teaches that a human being must be respected-as a person-from the very first instant of his existence as a human being, and therefore, from that same moment, his rights as a person must be recognized among which in the first place, is the inviolable right of every innocent human being to life. The Church also teaches that from the moral point of view a truly responsible procreation vis-à-vis the unborn child, must be the fruit of marriage.

Pope Paul VI has taught that there is an "inseparable connection, willed by God, and unable to be broken by man on his own initiative, between the two meanings of the conjugal act: the unitive meaning and the procreative meaning."

IVF violates the rights of the child: it deprives him of his filial relationship with his parental origins and can hinder the maturing of his personality. It objectively deprives conjugal fruitfulness of its unity and integrity, it brings about and manifests a rupture between genetic parenthood, gestational parenthood, and responsibility for upbringing. This threat to the unity and stability of the family is a source of dissension, disorder, and injustice in the whole of social life.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Thanks Calgirl

 

[del]

Once again, the Church embarrasses itself in it's fight to maintain 19th century sexual morals

Our morals are ours. We're not asking you to live by them... just don't work for the Church.

Stop trying to force us to live by your morals. Easy.

are you using the royal or papal third person?

 

[JakeStarkey]

An interesting case for sure. If there is no governmental financial aid to the school, then she will lose, I think.

 

[California Girl]

Once again, the Church embarrasses itself in it's fight to maintain 19th century sexual morals

Our morals are ours. We're not asking you to live by them... just don't work for the Church.

Stop trying to force us to live by your morals. Easy.

are you using the royal or papal third person?

'We'... Catholics. These are our tenants. You don't like them, fine. Don't accept a job with a Catholic employer. Too hard for ya?

 

[del]

Anyone who chooses to work for the Catholic Church is expected to abide by the tenants of the Church. They are told that before accepting a job. If they choose to accept that job - and those tenants - then the Church is perfectly entitled to expect them to fulfill that contract. If she did not, then that was her choice.

Personal responsibility.

churches have tenets, wordsmith, not tenants.

 

[del]

Our morals are ours. We're not asking you to live by them... just don't work for the Church.

Stop trying to force us to live by your morals. Easy.

are you using the royal or papal third person?

'We'... Catholics. These are our tenants. You don't like them, fine. Don't accept a job with a Catholic employer. Too hard for ya?

tenets, not tenants

too complicated for you, sandi?