Castro Condemns Bush's Ethanol

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    CASTRO SAYS


    "At Camp David, Bush declared his intention to apply this formula on a world scale, which means none other than the internationalization of genocide," Castro wrote.

    "Dozens of nations do not have oil and cannot produce corn or other grains to make ethanol because they lack water", he said. "The surge in demand for corn will push up grain prices, while the threat of a U.S. invasion of Iran is keeping oil prices high", Castro wrote.

    "Where will the poor nations of the Third World get the minimum resources to survive?" he asked.

    Brazil has been making ethanol, a gasoline alternative, from sugar cane and running cars on it for three decades, but the United States became the world's biggest ethanol producer last year after Bush said the country was "addicted to oil." World corn prices rocketed.

    The Bush administration has proposed cutting U.S. gasoline consumption by 20 percent by 2017, mostly by increasing the use of fuels such as ethanol.



    IN CANADA

    ....Based on Ottawa's own research, critics say the investment is based more on myth than hard science.

    'Not a lot of difference'

    Scientists at Environment Canada studied four vehicles of recent makes, testing their emissions in a range for driving conditions and temperatures.

    "Looking at tailpipe emissions, from a greenhouse gas perspective, there really isn't much difference between ethanol and gasoline," said Greg Rideout, head of Environment Canada's toxic emissions research.

    "Our results seemed to indicate that with today's vehicles, there's not a lot of difference at the tailpipe with greenhouse gas emissions."

    The study found no statistical difference between the greenhouse gas emissions of regular unleaded fuel and 10 per cent ethanol blended fuel.

    Although the study found a reduction in carbon monoxide, a pollutant that forms smog, emissions of some other gases, such as hydrocarbons, actually increased under certain conditions.

    Bill Rees, an ecology professor at the University of British Columbia and longtime opponent of ethanol, has read the report and thinks Canadians need to know its conclusions.

    "I must say, I'm a little surprised at that, because it seems to fly in the face of current policy initiatives," he said.

    "People are being conned into believing in a product and paying for it through their tax monies when there's no justifiable benefit and indeed many negative costs."

    Other benefits: minister

    Federal Environment Minister John Baird said he knows about the report, which was commissioned under the previous Liberal government. However, he said, he is looking at the big picture.

    "I think there's an issue between the tailpipe and the whole cycle," he said. "The whole cycle is better than the tailpipe."

    Other ethanol proponents agreed, saying tailpipe emissions are not the only statistic that matters.

    Ethanol is made from a renewable resource, they noted, and - although there is much scientific debate on this point - they argue ethanol produces fewer greenhouse gases when the entire production cycle, from gathering to refinement to emissions, is taken into account.

    USA TODAY

    But there are a bunch of problems with ethanol. First, it doesn't have as much energy as gasoline, which means it takes about 1.5 gallons of ethanol to get you as far as one gallon of gas.

    Ethanol also requires a lot to produce it — 26 pounds of corn to get a gallon, in fact. And growing corn requires lots of water and fertilizer and pesticide, not to mention the energy required to distill it into ethanol.

    And by-products of that distillation include (according to the EPA) acetic acid, carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, and methanol, all of which are pumped into the air. Yum.

    It boils down to this: Ethanol sounds good, but the energy required to produce it, and the pollutants it generates, mean it's arguably worse for the environment than gasoline, especially considering the cleanliness of today's engines.



    http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...HANOL.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsHome-C3-politicsNews-3

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2007/03/30/ethanol-emissions.html?ref=rss

    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2005-06-24-green-tech_x.htm?csp=N009
     
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    Who the hell cares what CAstro thinks?
     
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    Castro has a point, Bush is promoting an alternative Fuel that is really no better than Oil.

    Just because its Castro doesnt make it any less valid.
     
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    Of course it does. He's an enemy of America. Or do you always believe what your enemies say? :cuckoo:

    If you are going to present a case against ethanol, I'd suggest you leave out obviously biased commentators.
     
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    Well, it is better than oil if we dont have to depend on OPEC to get it.
     
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    Ok, then how is this ?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/03/tech/main508006.shtml

    As he said, just because its Castro doesnt mean he is wrong. Think for yourself. Castro has also called Bush an idiot. At least he was right on one account.



     
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    This is an article from US NEWS detailing what Castro was talking about. I looked, and i didnt see anything about US News being a Biased Communist Enemy of the US..

    Its 5 pages, which might be just enough for you to sigh and say, fuck that shit.

    http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070204/12ethanol.htm

    Ethanol already consumes so much corn that signs of strain on the food supply and prices are rippling across the marketplace. Environmental impacts will multiply as more land and water are devoted to the prized yellow grain. And, even if these problems were overcome, ethanol's potential growth could be stunted by an energy system currently tailored to gasoline

    Energy economist Philip Verleger is one of many who traced last summer's (2005) high gasoline prices to ethanol panic. As it turned out, the taxpayer paid twice. First, at the pump. Then, because of the long-standing ethanol tax breaks-now at 51 cents per gallon-the government sent $2.5 billion last year to the flush oil industry to blend ethanol it would have needed anyway.


    These are from other Non communist Non Castro articles.

    Ethanol, which in this country is made from corn, is more expensive to produce than gasoline and furnishes fewer miles per gallon. Furthermore, there have been many studies of ethanol, almost all of which show it is a net energy loser; that is, it takes more energy to grow the corn (for planting, fertilizer, pesticides, harvesting, transportation) and for distilling the corn than you can get from burning the fuel. A U.S. Dept. of Energy study found that “131,000 BTU [British Thermal Units] are needed to make 1 gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTU….there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTU.” However, the ethanol industry disputes this.


    .....The resulting numbers offered a bleak assessment of ethanol’s viability as an alternative energy source. According to the study, corn requires 29 percent more fossil energy to produce than its energy yield in the form of ethanol. That figure increases to 50 percent when switch grass is used and 57 percent when wood biomass is used.

    "If you count all the inputs, which the USDA does not, you find it takes more energy to produce the ethanol than the energy yield you get from the ethanol produced," he said. "As you might imagine, those conclusions weren’t too popular with politicians from farm states."


    "If ethanol and biodiesel fuels made sense, they would be profitable to produce without the government subsidies of 50 to 71 cents per gallon, in the case of ethanol. No political action would be necessary. Politicians cannot revoke the laws of physics and mathematics; they can only force other people to pay the losses from the uneconomic schemes imposed upon them."

    a physics professor at the University of Connecticut for 32 years, shows how puny even a 24 percent gain really is. He converts this to watts per square meter and shows that the net around-the-clock average power available from one acre of corn would be enough to continuously light one 60-watt light bulb.



    http://www.amlibpub.com/liberty_blog/2005/08/ethanol-and-biodiesel-fuels.html

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/03/tech/main508006.shtml

    http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache...Negatives+of+Ethanol&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca

    http://www.northernstar.info/articles/?id=12859
     
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    I do think for myself and I think liberals who quote Castro are communists-in-the-making, if not already full-blown reds. It is amazing to me how far to the left the liberals in our country have gone in recent years. They no longer even pretend to hide their adulation of the enemy.

    I also find it quite laughable that liberals used to say we should use ethanol instead of gasoline. Doesn't that mean liberals are idiots just as much as you say Bush is for the same reason? Of course they are. Now that plants are being created to produce ethanol, liberals have found another reason to complain and oppose Bush. Of course, we know anything Bush does or says is automatically something for liberals to oppose. That's what you call predictable idiots. However, I'm getting sick of red liberals quoting their commie leaders here in America.

    Myself, I do not think growing corn is going to be a long-term solution, at least with today's farming methods, given the increasing population. I could care less if Castro agrees or not. His opinion is not wanted by me and others who hate communist dictators. We can develop our opinions without having to listen to the Castros of the world, thank you very much.

    Isn't it about time for liberals to accept and adapt to NUCLEAR power? What's the big hold-up? Look at France! Isn't nuclear power the rational answer? How come liberals and their watermelon enviro whackos keep opposing it? Could it possibly be that your your commie masters first want to see America cut off at the knees before they give their approval?
     
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    So these are all Websites supporting Communism?


    http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar.../12ethanol.htm

    http://www.amlibpub.com/liberty_blog...sel-fuels.html

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in508006.shtml

    http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=1&gl=ca

    http://www.northernstar.info/articles/?id=12859
     
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