Cast my vote again for Scott Walker!

[Amelia]

My ballot is in.

Good luck, Governor.

 

[Charles_Main]

Walker is what we need more of in this Country. A politician that will do the Sane, Practical thing even if he knows it may bring the Wrath of Special Interests down on him.

Don't dilute yourselves Liberal, Unions, Especially Public Sector Unions are the Most Powerful Special Interest Group in America. Unless you are a Card Carrying Member, they do not Represent you.

 

[IndependntLogic]

My ballot is in.

Good luck, Governor.

Good job. I'm always glad to see someone exercise the most important right we have.

 

[SniperFire]

The Great DeNutting of Public Unions begins!

 

[tjvh]

The Great DeNutting of Public Unions begins!

I'm in one, and I oppose nearly every thing they do. And the Politician's they endorse... Forget it.

 

[Stukaman]

It appears to me that Walker recall is a blatent attemt by the public sector Unions and their knee-caping thugs to actually take control of the government of the state of Wisconsin. Since the big demonstrations, last year the Unions have proven only one thing, that they will do anything, legal or otherwise, to usurp the will of the people and have their puppet take over.

 

[IndependntLogic]

It appears to me that Walker recall is a blatent attemt by the public sector Unions and their knee-caping thugs to actually take control of the government of the state of Wisconsin. Since the big demonstrations, last year the Unions have proven only one thing, that they will do anything, legal or otherwise, to usurp the will of the people and have their puppet take over.

Yes but more importantly, why do you call yourself Stukaman, when that particular dive bomber wasn't widespread until WWII and that is clearly a Fokker on your avatar?
Then again, why not go with a P-51 Mustang which was clearly the superior plane?

 

[Dreadnaught1968]

Hopefully the voters of this state make the right call and Walker is re-elected as our Governor.

We can't afford Barrett...

 

[tinydancer]

My ballot is in.

Good luck, Governor.

Ooooh it's pins and needles time waiting for the verdict of the vote. I'm so hoping and praying he'll win. ETA: for next Tuesday for the actual vote at the polls, what time do they close? And you're in my time zone correct?

Keep the faith Amelia! I've been reading that the early voting has been hot and heavy. It's a paper called the Isthmus. Is that a good one to follow?

 

[Stukaman]

It appears to me that Walker recall is a blatent attemt by the public sector Unions and their knee-caping thugs to actually take control of the government of the state of Wisconsin. Since the big demonstrations, last year the Unions have proven only one thing, that they will do anything, legal or otherwise, to usurp the will of the people and have their puppet take over.

Yes but more importantly, why do you call yourself Stukaman, when that particular dive bomber wasn't widespread until WWII and that is clearly a Fokker on your avatar?
Then again, why not go with a P-51 Mustang which was clearly the superior plane?

I couldn't find the right size picture of a Stuka, and Dr-1 Triplaneman didn't have the right ring to it. P-51's rule, no doubt, but my favorite fighter is the F-4U Corsair, and again the name, Corairman is a little unwealdy. (Thanx for giving me a chance to explain)

 

[tererun]

Walker is what we need more of in this Country. A politician that will do the Sane, Practical thing even if he knows it may bring the Wrath of Special Interests down on him.

Don't dilute yourselves Liberal, Unions, Especially Public Sector Unions are the Most Powerful Special Interest Group in America. Unless you are a Card Carrying Member, they do not Represent you.

Though I am sure this is a modern political ploy to scapegoat unio9ns as that which is bringing our country down, take a look at the reasons why unions happen and you will see that without the ability for workers to protest their working conditions and salaries this country would look worse than modern China. Without these things corporations did not provide any healthcare. Corporations worked people over 80 hours a week. corporations paid people as little as possible and enslaved them with loans they could not possibly pay back and forced them to buy the companies products to keep them enslaved to the companies. There were no breaks. there was no safety regulations. No there was not any free market correction.

Of course, we could always leave the full protection of every workers rights, and the establishment of their compensation up to the government regulators, but that would be almost communistic in nature, and certainly would not be a smaller government. That would at least eliminate some of the need for unions as people would have some say in their own benefit. I just cannot imagine getting millions of uninvolved people who have no idea about workers conditions would be a solution to the problem when unions can pretty much do the job.

I will agree that the corruption in unions should be reigned in as they really have become terrible, but fixing them is the better idea rather than tossing them out.

 

[Clementine]

Walker is what we need more of in this Country. A politician that will do the Sane, Practical thing even if he knows it may bring the Wrath of Special Interests down on him.

Don't dilute yourselves Liberal, Unions, Especially Public Sector Unions are the Most Powerful Special Interest Group in America. Unless you are a Card Carrying Member, they do not Represent you.

Though I am sure this is a modern political ploy to scapegoat unio9ns as that which is bringing our country down, take a look at the reasons why unions happen and you will see that without the ability for workers to protest their working conditions and salaries this country would look worse than modern China. Without these things corporations did not provide any healthcare. Corporations worked people over 80 hours a week. corporations paid people as little as possible and enslaved them with loans they could not possibly pay back and forced them to buy the companies products to keep them enslaved to the companies. There were no breaks. there was no safety regulations. No there was not any free market correction.

Of course, we could always leave the full protection of every workers rights, and the establishment of their compensation up to the government regulators, but that would be almost communistic in nature, and certainly would not be a smaller government. That would at least eliminate some of the need for unions as people would have some say in their own benefit. I just cannot imagine getting millions of uninvolved people who have no idea about workers conditions would be a solution to the problem when unions can pretty much do the job.

I will agree that the corruption in unions should be reigned in as they really have become terrible, but fixing them is the better idea rather than tossing them out.

Why do we need unions when fair regulations and laws can be passed to protect workers? The unions serve no purpose any more other than to collect union dues and use the money to get people elected.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I'm gonna be a happy man when I see Scott Walker voted out of office.

I hope Tom Barrett wins.

 

[Avatar4321]

I'm gonna be a happy man when I see Scott Walker voted out of office.

I hope Tom Barrett wins.

Just dont get depressed with Walker is reelected.

 

[Stukaman]

Though I am sure this is a modern political ploy to scapegoat unions as that which is bringing our country down, take a look at the reasons why unions happen and you will see that without the ability for workers to protest their working conditions and salaries this country would look worse than modern China. Without these things corporations did not provide any healthcare. Corporations worked people over 80 hours a week. corporations paid people as little as possible and enslaved them with loans they could not possibly pay back and forced them to buy the companies products to keep them enslaved to the companies. There were no breaks. there was no safety regulations. No there was not any free market correction.

----------Where to begin..., Firstly, there are labor laws in place in most states that look to all of the situations you describe, minimum wages, 40 hr. work week etc. So the actually need for these immensely powerfull unions is much less than when they were started in the 1930's during the depression.

Of course, we could always leave the full protection of every workers rights, and the establishment of their compensation up to the government regulators, but that would be almost communistic in nature, and certainly would not be a smaller government. That would at least eliminate some of the need for unions as people would have some say in their own benefit. I just cannot imagine getting millions of uninvolved people who have no idea about workers conditions would be a solution to the problem when unions can pretty much do the job.

----------We do have a Dept. of Labor in our Government, but it's funny you should mention Communistic, it was Stalin who sent his agents to America that really started the labor movement during the Depression. Stalin thought he could use the economic upheaval in this country to help sell his socialist anti-capitalist message to the workers. Unfortuately WWII ruined his plans.

I will agree that the corruption in unions should be reigned in as they really have become terrible, but fixing them is the better idea rather than tossing them out.

[/QUOTE]


----------The unions that are causing all the trouble in Wisconsin are the public sector unions, their members make twice as much in wages as private sector workers doing the same work, they do not contribute to their own heathcare or retirement but insist the taxpayers to pay for them! Walker came in and now the union workers pay 6% towards their retirement and only 12% of their heathcare, poor babies! Please give me that deal! Instead the unions (especially out of state thugs) have been behind this recall and have threatened and bullied local business and individuals who support Walker. These are not the same union guys who wanted to increase worker safty, gets decent wages and all, these are power-hungry thugs, who want their cash cow restored.

 

[IndependntLogic]

It appears to me that Walker recall is a blatent attemt by the public sector Unions and their knee-caping thugs to actually take control of the government of the state of Wisconsin. Since the big demonstrations, last year the Unions have proven only one thing, that they will do anything, legal or otherwise, to usurp the will of the people and have their puppet take over.

Yes but more importantly, why do you call yourself Stukaman, when that particular dive bomber wasn't widespread until WWII and that is clearly a Fokker on your avatar?
Then again, why not go with a P-51 Mustang which was clearly the superior plane?

I couldn't find the right size picture of a Stuka, and Dr-1 Triplaneman didn't have the right ring to it. P-51's rule, no doubt, but my favorite fighter is the F-4U Corsair, and again the name, Corairman is a little unwealdy. (Thanx for giving me a chance to explain)

Always a pleasure to meet a fellow enthusiast of history, sir. I'm 3rd generation Navy. My grandfather flew the Corsair in Korea and ended up dumping one in the Pacific, during an aborted landing in rough seas. He claims it was the plane's fault but who the hell knows? My father was 6th fleet and I did Nothing Interesting or Special, if you know what that means.
I am currently volunteering with the TAP personnel, teaching our troops how to interview for civilian jobs (I'm the president of an executive recruiting firm). It's very rewarding.

 

[tererun]

Though I am sure this is a modern political ploy to scapegoat unions as that which is bringing our country down, take a look at the reasons why unions happen and you will see that without the ability for workers to protest their working conditions and salaries this country would look worse than modern China. Without these things corporations did not provide any healthcare. Corporations worked people over 80 hours a week. corporations paid people as little as possible and enslaved them with loans they could not possibly pay back and forced them to buy the companies products to keep them enslaved to the companies. There were no breaks. there was no safety regulations. No there was not any free market correction.

----------Where to begin..., Firstly, there are labor laws in place in most states that look to all of the situations you describe, minimum wages, 40 hr. work week etc. So the actually need for these immensely powerfull unions is much less than when they were started in the 1930's during the depression.

this is why you need the whole argument in this case. Later i address the fact that the government becoming the only force of regulation of an industry becomes very problematic as the government is really meant to work on extremes and ours does not work real well in the varried landscape of industry. This is why unions or workers organizations are the way to go because they allow the people who know the job to make needed changes for the workers rather than voters who in most cases have no idea as for the reasoning of certain things. I said that our unions were improperly run, and that instead of destroying their ability to do things, we should work towards fixing what is a good thing if done right.

Of course, we could always leave the full protection of every workers rights, and the establishment of their compensation up to the government regulators, but that would be almost communistic in nature, and certainly would not be a smaller government. That would at least eliminate some of the need for unions as people would have some say in their own benefit. I just cannot imagine getting millions of uninvolved people who have no idea about workers conditions would be a solution to the problem when unions can pretty much do the job.

----------We do have a Dept. of Labor in our Government, but it's funny you should mention Communistic, it was Stalin who sent his agents to America that really started the labor movement during the Depression. Stalin thought he could use the economic upheaval in this country to help sell his socialist anti-capitalist message to the workers. Unfortuately WWII ruined his plans.

Though you may find that idea evil, there is a really a need for worker's rights and protections. Capitalism is far more cruel than communism ever was in regards to how workers are treated. Unregulated capitalism is pure greed and evil and there would be no good part to it. That is by design because it is far less costly to not care about your workers than it is to care about them. You can make the argument you lose a skilled employee and that takes resources to make, but for the most part that does not become problematic until you get to an elite employee because the rest can be easily replaced.

I will agree that the corruption in unions should be reigned in as they really have become terrible, but fixing them is the better idea rather than tossing them out.

----------The unions that are causing all the trouble in Wisconsin are the public sector unions, their members make twice as much in wages as private sector workers doing the same work, they do not contribute to their own heathcare or retirement but insist the taxpayers to pay for them! Walker came in and now the union workers pay 6% towards their retirement and only 12% of their heathcare, poor babies! Please give me that deal! Instead the unions (especially out of state thugs) have been behind this recall and have threatened and bullied local business and individuals who support Walker. These are not the same union guys who wanted to increase worker safty, gets decent wages and all, these are power-hungry thugs, who want their cash cow restored.

Do something to fix the union so it does not do those things, but do not take away their ability to do things. It is called trimming, and in plants it makes a beautiful and much stronger plant.

 

[jgarden]

It was the Republicans who were the first to iniate the "recall" an opposition governor in modern times, so they have nobody to blame but themselves when the Democrats decided to return the favor with Walker in Wisconsin.

Ironically, the Republicans decided to replace the Democratic governor by nominating a man of impecable moral standards - Arnold_Schwarzenegger.

If you cheat on your marriage vows, how can you be trusted not to cheat on your oath of office - ask Newt Gingrich!

 

[Charles_Main]

Walker is what we need more of in this Country. A politician that will do the Sane, Practical thing even if he knows it may bring the Wrath of Special Interests down on him.

Don't dilute yourselves Liberal, Unions, Especially Public Sector Unions are the Most Powerful Special Interest Group in America. Unless you are a Card Carrying Member, they do not Represent you.

Though I am sure this is a modern political ploy to scapegoat unio9ns as that which is bringing our country down, take a look at the reasons why unions happen and you will see that without the ability for workers to protest their working conditions and salaries this country would look worse than modern China. Without these things corporations did not provide any healthcare. Corporations worked people over 80 hours a week. corporations paid people as little as possible and enslaved them with loans they could not possibly pay back and forced them to buy the companies products to keep them enslaved to the companies. There were no breaks. there was no safety regulations. No there was not any free market correction.

Of course, we could always leave the full protection of every workers rights, and the establishment of their compensation up to the government regulators, but that would be almost communistic in nature, and certainly would not be a smaller government. That would at least eliminate some of the need for unions as people would have some say in their own benefit. I just cannot imagine getting millions of uninvolved people who have no idea about workers conditions would be a solution to the problem when unions can pretty much do the job.

I will agree that the corruption in unions should be reigned in as they really have become terrible, but fixing them is the better idea rather than tossing them out.

Stop being a Drama Queen. Were Talking about Public Sector Union Workers, Not all Unions. Unions have their Place, However they can and do get out of control. Especially when they are negotiating with Government. Private Companies Actually Negotiate and keep the Process Fair. When the Unions are negotiating with their Pals in government what we get is Sweet heart deals that Break State Budgets.

Because our government is we the people, the Idea of Unions Negotiating with Their Own Representatives about Wages and benefits seems kinda Strange by Any Measure. Why is it you guys are so Against Cooperation's and other Special Interest Groups having Power and sway, yet fully support Unions having Immense Power both at state and local Levels when they only Represent 19% of all Americans.

That is what you had Before Walker in Wis, and Public Sector Union with so many Buddies on the inside of State Government that they got what ever the hell they wanted in negotiations, Regardless of it's Economic Impact on the State and It's Budget.

Something had to Give.

 

[tererun]

Stop being a Drama Queen. Were Talking about Public Sector Union Workers, Not all Unions. Unions have their Place, However they can and do get out of control. Especially when they are negotiating with Government. Private Companies Actually Negotiate and keep the Process Fair. When the Unions are negotiating with their Pals in government what we get is Sweet heart deals that Break State Budgets.

That is why I said fix it instead of throwing everything out. making unions out to be the people who have dragged america down, which is what they are trying to do, is not right. That is funded by corporate concerns who want weaker protections for workers. Look at what the bill proposes rather than what they say the bill proposes. A lot of people are getting caught up in media storms and voting against what they actually believe. Those media storms are easy to create for people with money and power.

Because our government is we the people, the Idea of Unions Negotiating with Their Own Representatives about Wages and benefits seems kinda Strange by Any Measure. Why is it you guys are so Against Cooperation's and other Special Interest Groups having Power and sway, yet fully support Unions having Immense Power both at state and local Levels when they only Represent 19% of all Americans.

Actually that is incorrect. The looming threat of unions represents all workers in the economy. Even if workers are not in a union there is always the idea that they could form one so the company has to try to satisfy their demands. the present system is obviously full of crap. Maybe every comapany should have a union for their workers, or maybe unions should be formed only around specific issues at companies. Wiping them out is not the answer, making them work is the answer.

That is what you had Before Walker in Wis, and Public Sector Union with so many Buddies on the inside of State Government that they got what ever the hell they wanted in negotiations, Regardless of it's Economic Impact on the State and It's Budget.

Something had to Give.

Something had to give, but not the universal protections unions provide for everyone. You are trying to put this in a two sided argument when clearly there are other better options aside from letting a bloated corrupt union continue to operate or taking away people's rights' to form unions.