Carter meets with political leader of Hamas in Syria

[GHook93]

2 state solution would last about a week, at best, if it ever occurred

I have no illussions that after Palestine is created a war would probably break out! However, after the war and a little time I am optimissitic that peace can be had! A 1 state solution is a far worst scenario, see Yugoslavia!

really need a 3 state solution, with Gaza and West Bank separate, just as Britain was forced into a 3 state solution in India by separating Bangladesh from Pakistan, yet I find the Israeli leadership acts like a bunch of wusses when it comes to presenting ideas that might offend their financial backers in the U.S.

Bangladeshians are a total different race than Pakistanis, that is why the Bangladeshians fought for their independence from Pakistan. Gazastan and PLO/West Bank are separated by ideology not race!

Israel's problem right now though isn't the Jihadists, most rational people know those suicide bombers are crazy and don't deserve shit, but rather the settlers who somehow think they can outnumber Palestinians in the WB or that they have some biblical claim on the land. Israel's biggest problem is its own right-wing freaks, not the jihadist lunatics.

Israel's biggest problem is the ones in power in the Palestinian side are pragmatist that at the moment hold onto irrational demands and are committed to taking all of Israel!

 

[BlackAsCoal]

wish we would violate some UN Resolutions, group is a useless collection of numb nut bureaucrats and foreign dictators

its basically a public relations forum that allows dictators to condemn democracies, yet is too impotent to stop wars like Iraq, no sound reason for it to exist anymore

Yet Bush and his horde of lunatics NEEDED UN Resolutions before they felt comfortable going into Iraq and mass-murdering their people.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

LOL, he is respected by no one! Like it or not your idol is seen as a failed President, that goes a long way towards other around the world taking him seriously!

Noted that you avoided addressing the questions .. which made your assertions absolutely foolish and simply the rantings of a gumpy.

People who aren't respected aren't asked to intervene.

 

[Agnapostate]

So in '67 Israel should not have defended herself from Syria? The Golan Heights are strategic areas that gives Syria a huge advantage in any invasion. Fool me once ('48) shame on you! Fool me twice ('67) shame on you!

The Golan Heights are not of any particular strategic value to Israel, and cause Syria to support organizations such as Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad, because the Syrian Army is not powerful enough to contend with the IDF.

Syria has repeatedly offered a peace treaty in return for the lands that Yitzhak Rabin promised them that were never delivered due to his assassination.

Oh those poor Lebanese citizens, when they do cross-border attacks, what do you say, probably you take your proud ignorant liberal ass and yell foul from your ivory tower. In '82 the Lebanese were allowing terrorist to attack Israel and in most cases promoting it! Israel like every country has a right to defend herself! In the 2nd Lebanese war after years of terrorist attack (take Kuntar - who killed a father in front of his 3 yr girl, before bashing her head in with the butt of his gun), they did a cross border war operation in which they killed a dozen or so IDF soldiers and captured 2 soldiers. Then the Hezbollah terrorist set up their operations with civilian populaces and even fired their missiles (which were specifically aimed at Israel civilians targers) off of apartment buildings. This way when Israel hits back there is collateral damage so that Hezbollah wins the propaganda war! In fact I think Israel restrainted herself. She should have reigned down on Lebanon 10 fold harder!

I am not a liberal. I am an anarchist. Do you regard the kidnapping of a few to be rationale for the invasion of a sovereign nation? Israel kidnapped a doctor and his brother, Osama and Mustafa Abu Muamar, from Gaza, simply because they were the sons of a Hamas activist, without any proof that they were involved in any criminal or terrorist activities. Is your position then that the inhabitants of Gaza should invade Israel and use cluster munitions on civilian areas, as was the case with Israel's invasion of Lebanon?

UN envoy: Israel broke int'l law in war | Israel | Jerusalem Post

A UN envoy for children in conflict said Thursday she had been horrified by the destruction of a Lebanese village besieged by IDF troops last year, and that many of Israel's actions during the war against Hizbullah had violated international law.

The UN's Special Representative for Children and Armed Conflicts, Radhika Coomaraswamy, told reporters she would discuss Israel's conduct in the Second Lebanon War when she meets its government on the next stop of her Middle East tour.

"I think the message is very clear - the need to respect civilians" and to distinguish between civilians and combatants, Coomaraswamy said in Beirut after a three-day visit to Lebanon.

She referred to Israel's dropping of millions of cluster bombs during the 34-day war and its "disproportionate use of force," which destroyed much of Lebanon's infrastructure.

She said she was "horrified" by the destruction she saw in the southern Lebanese village of Bint Jbail "and the considerable impact that it had on children."

IDF troops besieged the southern Lebanese village as it was a Hizbullah stronghold.

"Many of the actions taken in the Lebanese war appear to have violated international humanitarian law," Coomaraswamy said when asked if she would be raising with Israeli officials what the IDF had done in Lebanon.

She said she would add her voice to those pressing Israel to provide data on the location of the cluster bombs dropped on southern Lebanon in the last days of the war. "Apparently they do have the data in the computer," she said.

In Jerusalem, Foreign Ministry spokesman Yariv Ovadia declined to indicate Thursday how Israel would respond to Coomaraswamy's push for maps of the cluster bomb areas.

"We will deal with her request when she arrives," Ovadia said.

Asked about her accusations that Israel had violated international law and employed disproportionate force, Ovadia said: "No comment."

Israel's bombing of Lebanese infrastructure - including water and fuel supplies, bridges, schools, hospitals, the airport and electricity network - is costing the country US$2.8 billion in repairs.

The United Nations and human rights groups say that Israel dropped about 4 million cluster bomblets on Lebanon during the war. It is thought that up to 1 million bombs failed to explode.

Since the war ended on August 14, such ordnance has killed 29 people and injured another 215 - 90 of them children.

Coomaraswamy said the main aim now was not to eliminate the unexploded cluster bomblets, but to ensure they do not cause further casualties.
Ordnance clearing specialists hope that through an awareness program they will be able to stop casualties from occurring by December.

Fifty-six ordinance clearing teams from around the world are at work in southern Lebanon, she said.

 

[GHook93]

The Golan Heights are not of any particular strategic value to Israel, and cause Syria to support organizations such as Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad, because the Syrian Army is not powerful enough to contend with the IDF.

LOL, when you make absolutely uneducated comments like this I do not know why I even bother with you!

Syria has repeatedly offered a peace treaty in return for the lands that Yitzhak Rabin promised them that were never delivered due to his assassination.

! Your a propaganda machine and a pretty piss poor one. They house people terrorist that plan attacks against Israel. They allie themselves with Hezbollah, because they believe and the Lebanon is part of Syria!

Syria has the burden of proof to show peace which they fail to do. Golan heights give the high ground to any Syrian invasion. Furthermore, it allows Israel to be alerted to any movements coming from Syria. I personally say hell to Syria, you attacked Israel 3 times now go fuck yourself, Golan is Israels! You might say that is illogical, but your a self-proclaimed anarchist and anti-semite, so logic is not your strong suit. So if you don't like it, then you can go fuck yourself!

I am not a liberal.

Maybe not, but you share the liberal mentality of appeasing and apologizing and simply trying to ignore the threat of Islamic terror. Basically you share their cowardness!

I am an anarchist.

No in other words your an and a retard! Good to know!

Do you regard the kidnapping of a few to be rationale for the invasion of a sovereign nation? Israel kidnapped a doctor and his brother, Osama and Mustafa Abu Muamar, from Gaza, simply because they were the sons of a Hamas activist, without any proof that they were involved in any criminal or terrorist activities. Is your position then that the inhabitants of Gaza should invade Israel and use cluster munitions on civilian areas, as was the case with Israel's invasion of Lebanon?

YES! If the Mexican government had committed numerous terrorist attacks, including bombing and missile attacks against Israel over the years and then committed a high profile kidnapping, all while preaching genocidal dreams of America. Then I would wholeheartedly expect and call for a similar smacking of the Mexicans.

Israel is in a much different scenario. All her neighbors have called for her destructions. All her neighbors are much larger (except for Lebanon) in land and population. If Israel loses one war, just one, we see the 2nd Holocaust! I know your a huge coward, so showing weakness is nothing new to you, but if Israel showed any type of weakness, her enemies would get enboldened and exploit this weakness!

So Yes if was justifiable. The Hezbollah terrorist picked the battle grounds. They picked to situate their missile launching pads on civilian apartment buildings in civilians areas etc. In fact I fault Israel for giving warning to these areas before they were going to attack! I fault for not taking it hard at Hezbollah!

 

[jillian]

The Golan Heights have no strategic value to Israel?!?!?! Did he really say that???? Spoken like someone who's never stood in the Syrian bunkers there that aim right down into the kibbutzim.

*rolls eyes*

And it doesn't matter. Syria attacked. Israel won land.

Funny how that works. But then again, anarchists always prefer the bomb throwers, no matter how pointless or unjustified.

Sound and fury signifying nothing.

 

[GHook93]

Yet Bush and his horde of lunatics NEEDED UN Resolutions before they felt comfortable going into Iraq and mass-murdering their people.

Hey smart guy!
First, Sadam was mass-murdering the Iraqis way before we got there
Second, the vast majority of the killing had been Iraqi on Iraqi secular kills.
Third, believe it or not but Iraq is in a very good position now. Back to where she was before Sadam coup their former President and bankrupted the country by invading Iran!

 

[editec]

Third, believe it or not but Iraq is in a very good position now. Back to where she was before Sadam coup their former President and bankrupted the country by invading Iran!

Where's my shoes?

I feel the urge to throw them.

 

[GHook93]

The Golan Heights have no strategic value to Israel?!?!?! Did he really say that???? Spoken like someone who's never stood in the Syrian bunkers there that aim right down into the kibbutzim.

*rolls eyes*

And it doesn't matter. Syria attacked. Israel won land.

Funny how that works. But then again, anarchists always prefer the bomb throwers, no matter how pointless or unjustified.

Sound and fury signifying nothing.

It is funny that all the anarchist I ever run across on these boards say they are against all government in any form. Yet they choose to pick on 2 America and especially Israel, while leaving save very tyranical governments! They cry major foul when Israel defends herself, no addressing the fact that if there was no government then rape, murder and theft would be a common daily experience all over the globe!

 

[GHook93]

Where's my shoes?

I feel the urge to throw them.

I have said the war was a mistake, we should not have gone in it Iraq was not a threat to us and it was and is too costly dollar-wise! We have other pressing problem to address. However, you either have to be a hopeless and clueless liberal or highly uninformed to not realize that Iraq is surprisingly in a 100 fold better situation then she was in before Iraq couped the former President and that America-Iraq relations are better than they have ever been! I still don't think that can justify the reason for going in! But please do be so liberally blind that you can't address the facts on the ground. Even your Mesa has acknowledged this!