Carly Fiorina says California drought not caused by Climate Change, but by liberals.

[flacaltenn]

Pubs.GISS: Hansen et al. 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

Yes, the effects of CO2 increase the intensity of droughts in drought prone areas. Simply witness what is going on in California and the rest of the West at present. The fires in Oregon and Washington, about 1000 square miles burned at present, and the fires are still growing. California is still in drought, hopefully the El Nino will bring some moisture.

Yep -- the WitchDoc of Climate Weirdness. About the same time as that paper, ole Doc James went in front of Congress and told them that "that we see the effects of Climate Change TODAY".. Would be about 20 years before he actually authored a paper ATTEMPTING to back up that claim. And he told Congress to expect 8degs additional heating by 2100.. . Very few others (maybe 10 or 12) who have stuck out their necks that far to give cover to politicians. Same James Hansen dramatically told about the inevitable effects of "boiling the oceans" which the mental midgets in the press have had a field day with ever since.. The same dude who used to equate the 0.5deg rise in his lifetime to the release of 40,000 Hiroshima bombs. A trick so fantastic that SkepShitScience has a real-time atom bomb counter on most every page of their juvenile website..

This is the same guy who was head of NASA agency that is STILL (almost monthly) changing temperatures back to the 1920s in order to claim new "unprecedented records" for the GW propaganda press releases.. Chicken Little in charge of the kitchen..

GoldiRocks recently admitted that there is Virtue in being an "activist" climate scientist.. That's why Doc Hansen is his superhero...

 

[Old Rocks]

And your guys are still claiming that we are cooling. Not only that, the majority of them claim that CO2 has no affect on the atmospheric temperature.

Since we are a long way from 2100, let us look at what some of the 'alarmist' predictions have been. Arctic Ice. Might be gone part of the year by 2100. Looks more like 2030 now. Eventually, the ice shelves in Anarctica will destabalize. Looks like they are already in the process of doing that.

 

[Tresha91203]

California has been prone to extended drought before the industrial revolution. Why will CA not invest in desalination? Add to that, for those who believe, AGW, and ... WHY WILL CA NOT INVEST IN DESALINISATION?

OMG

 

[flacaltenn]

And your guys are still claiming that we are cooling. Not only that, the majority of them claim that CO2 has no affect on the atmospheric temperature.

Since we are a long way from 2100, let us look at what some of the 'alarmist' predictions have been. Arctic Ice. Might be gone part of the year by 2100. Looks more like 2030 now. Eventually, the ice shelves in Anarctica will destabalize. Looks like they are already in the process of doing that.

I've spent PAGES on USMB with the 3 or 4 posters that didn't buy the GreenHouse effect. They are indeed marginalized and don't matter anymore than the LARGE MAJORITY of Warmers that can't tell the difference between a GreenHouse gas and pollution. Or who believe that 97% of Climate Scientists were ever polled on any important question.

When I hear Jerry Brown (seriously one of my political heroes from way back) PANDER to this cause with assigning blame for his water failures to GW --- it makes me sad.. So when the Winter rains kick in and the runoff from the old insufficient reservoirs is filled with toxic black balls that some jerk mayor decided would PRESERVE water (( IN A F_ing DRAINAGE DITCH) and all the water runs out to the LongBeach piers UNUSED -- it will be HIS fault then as well.

Read the story about the 1000s of BLACK balls these guys tossed in the dam runways. They are completely unable to function rationally about the most important issues..

 

[skookerasbil]

An absurd amount of phony going on in this thread. If one goes back and see's 70 years of drought records ( see map on preceeding page/post #12)) one thing is as clear as the nose on your face: drought comes and goes. Always has. Always will.

The "fires" and "drought" crap.....being linked to CO2....... have always been among the most intellectually dishonest goofball theory perpetuated by the AGW fascist k00ks. Nobody out in the real world is talking about this which at the end of the day is all that matters.

But those curious on this subject need to go look at the drought map displayed in post #12 of this thread...........a quick glance tells you all you need to know and paints these AGW goofball fakes for what they are.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Co2 only enhances the drought cycles and may make them occur more often. Who said there wasn't droughts or fires before human induced co2?

 

[Tresha91203]

Science says the droughts will come, period. Plus, much of CA believes in AGW. It makes no sense to purposely not prepare just so you can scream, "I told you so!"

Build desalination plants, or at least turn that one on so it doesn't rot. It's not rocket science.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Pubs.GISS: Hansen et al. 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

Yes, the effects of CO2 increase the intensity of droughts in drought prone areas. Simply witness what is going on in California and the rest of the West at present. The fires in Oregon and Washington, about 1000 square miles burned at present, and the fires are still growing. California is still in drought, hopefully the El Nino will bring some moisture.

Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include.....

Well, that's some definitive proof right there.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Co2 only enhances the drought cycles and may make them occur more often. Who said there wasn't droughts or fires before human induced co2?

Co2 only enhances the drought cycles and may make them occur more often.

How does that work? Explain the mechanism.

 

[skookerasbil]

Co2 only enhances the drought cycles and may make them occur more often. Who said there wasn't droughts or fires before human induced co2?

You dummy...........

The what happened in these years................asshole?

'65, '67. '69, '73, '75, '78, '79, '80, '82, '83, '91, '93, '95, '98, '05, '09, '10, '11???


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Its called natural cycles!!!

 

[rdean]

Scientists say one thing. Republicans say another. Which ones do I believe? The ones who collect data and study. Not the ignorant who believe education is for snobs.

You meatheads have been using that talking point for 20 years..........and still nobody is caring!!!

Except for those not of your ilk.

 

[Crick]

California has REFUSED to drill for more water and they have REFUSED to invest in more treatment plants. The also have REFUSED to build DE-salting plants to convert water.

They have the right to refuse so their problem is their own making.

none of which CAUSES a drought

Neither does a coal burning power plant.

Wrong, Todd.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

California has REFUSED to drill for more water and they have REFUSED to invest in more treatment plants. The also have REFUSED to build DE-salting plants to convert water.

They have the right to refuse so their problem is their own making.

none of which CAUSES a drought

Neither does a coal burning power plant.

Wrong, Todd.

Very convincing rejoinder.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Pubs.GISS: Hansen et al. 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

Yes, the effects of CO2 increase the intensity of droughts in drought prone areas. Simply witness what is going on in California and the rest of the West at present. The fires in Oregon and Washington, about 1000 square miles burned at present, and the fires are still growing. California is still in drought, hopefully the El Nino will bring some moisture.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Watching her with Chuck Todd on Meet the Press she made that ridiculous claim. Of course Chuck looked incredulous but didn't argue.

Right wingers always amaze me on how bold they are in their certainty.

Conservatives never amaze with regard to their propensity to lie.