Cardinal Raymond Burke: Gays, Remarried Catholics Are Just As Sinful As Murderers

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Those perverts were kept stuffed into the closet, where they belong.

Except the perverts inside the church who were molesting little boys for decades.

 

[Correll]

Cardinal Raymond Burke Gays Remarried Catholics Are Just As Sinful As Murderers

You've got 5 seconds to explain why we let these people dictate their political will. Catholic church is outdated in its conservatism. Pope Francis is a good example of what can be done to improve its image but it is still not enough. It has nothing to do with religious freedom anymore, it is about prejudice and imposing your values on someone who doesn't share them.
Is it that hard to find a balance between ones' religious feelings and others' sexual freedom?

Cardinal Raymond Burke Gays Remarried Catholics Are Just As Sinful As Murderers

You've got 5 seconds to explain why we let these people dictate their political will. Catholic church is outdated in its conservatism. Pope Francis is a good example of what can be done to improve its image but it is still not enough. It has nothing to do with religious freedom anymore, it is about prejudice and imposing your values on someone who doesn't share them.
Is it that hard to find a balance between ones' religious feelings and others' sexual freedom?

How exactly do you want to stop them?

 

[Kondor3]

Those perverts were kept stuffed into the closet, where they belong.

Except the perverts inside the church who were molesting little boys for decades.

Quite true.

Nolo contendere.

But the deviants within the Church do not represent the Church in toto, nor even in the main.

Next slide, please.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Those perverts were kept stuffed into the closet, where they belong.

Except the perverts inside the church who were molesting little boys for decades.

Quite true.

Nolo contendere.

But the deviants within the Church do not represent the Church in toto, nor even in the main.

Next slide, please.

Don't they? Because there were quite a few incidents it turns out and the hierarchy was complicit with it by covering it up.

 

[Kondor3]

Those perverts were kept stuffed into the closet, where they belong.

Except the perverts inside the church who were molesting little boys for decades.

Quite true.

Nolo contendere.

But the deviants within the Church do not represent the Church in toto, nor even in the main.

Next slide, please.

Don't they? Because there were quite a few incidents it turns out and the hierarchy was complicit with it by covering it up.

Correct.

They don't.

There were, indeed, dozens of incidents - perhaps even hundreds - that became known over the past several decades, worldwide, but mostly in the US.

And large number of those incidents were, indeed, covered up, by both well-meaning and paranoid low-to-middle-range leadership, desperate to avoid scandal.

Like most cover-ups, once unmasked, the cover-up resulted in far more damage than would have been done, had the thing been handled openly to begin with.

Nolo contendere.

But those episodes of stupidity, callousness, paranoia and denial are becoming a thing of the past, as the public - and the law - hold them accountable.

It was a miserable and squalid Black Eye - and a black period in Church history - that could have been avoided oh-so-easily, from several different angles.

We learn by doing.

Even 2,000 year-old institutions.

Such behaviors - both the assaults themselves and the cover-ups - were despicable, indefensible and inexcusable, and the perpetrators should be publicly outed as molesters and/or obstructers of justice and/or conspirators, and charged with crimes in civilian courts of law and be punished when found guilty.

But such Black Eyes do not impact upon the merit and mission of the organization at-large - in the eyes of hundreds of millions world-wide.

Hope that helps.

 

[bodecea]

If we allow people to use a religious belief, or what they profess to be a religious belief, as some sort of trump card/magic wand - pick your own metaphor - to overturn any law they don't like,

then we will have reached anarchy.

No, then it's sharia law.

 

[Kondor3]

If we allow people to use a religious belief, or what they profess to be a religious belief, as some sort of trump card/magic wand - pick your own metaphor - to overturn any law they don't like,

then we will have reached anarchy.

No, then it's sharia law.

Hardly.

Let's be clear...

Refusing to bake a cake or serve someone in a restaurant, because you perceive them to be practitioners of filthy, unclean practices is one thing...

However, this is the face of Sharia Law, as it impacts gays...

Let's be clear...

And keep things in perspective...

Rather than flying off the handle with useless hyperbole...

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Those perverts were kept stuffed into the closet, where they belong.

Except the perverts inside the church who were molesting little boys for decades.

Quite true.

Nolo contendere.

But the deviants within the Church do not represent the Church in toto, nor even in the main.

Next slide, please.

Don't they? Because there were quite a few incidents it turns out and the hierarchy was complicit with it by covering it up.

Correct.

They don't.

There were, indeed, dozens of incidents - perhaps even hundreds - that became known over the past several decades, worldwide, but mostly in the US.

And large number of those incidents were, indeed, covered up, by both well-meaning and paranoid low-to-middle-range leadership, desperate to avoid scandal.

Like most cover-ups, once unmasked, the cover-up resulted in far more damage than would have been done, had the thing been handled openly to begin with.

Nolo contendere.

But those episodes of stupidity, callousness, paranoia and denial are becoming a thing of the past, as the public - and the law - hold them accountable.

It was a miserable and squalid Black Eye - and a black period in Church history - that could have been avoided oh-so-easily, from several different angles.

We learn by doing.

Even 2,000 year-old institutions.

Such behaviors - both the assaults themselves and the cover-ups - were despicable, indefensible and inexcusable, and the perpetrators should be publicly outed as molesters and/or obstructers of justice and/or conspirators, and charged with crimes in civilian courts of law and be punished when found guilty.

But such Black Eyes do not impact upon the merit and mission of the organization at-large - in the eyes of hundreds of millions world-wide.

Hope that helps.

It's interesting you take that position, because many Christians have been condemning all of Islam because of the actions of ISIS extremists.

 

[Kondor3]

Those perverts were kept stuffed into the closet, where they belong.

Except the perverts inside the church who were molesting little boys for decades.

Quite true.

Nolo contendere.

But the deviants within the Church do not represent the Church in toto, nor even in the main.

Next slide, please.

Don't they? Because there were quite a few incidents it turns out and the hierarchy was complicit with it by covering it up.

Correct.

They don't.

There were, indeed, dozens of incidents - perhaps even hundreds - that became known over the past several decades, worldwide, but mostly in the US.

And large number of those incidents were, indeed, covered up, by both well-meaning and paranoid low-to-middle-range leadership, desperate to avoid scandal.

Like most cover-ups, once unmasked, the cover-up resulted in far more damage than would have been done, had the thing been handled openly to begin with.

Nolo contendere.

But those episodes of stupidity, callousness, paranoia and denial are becoming a thing of the past, as the public - and the law - hold them accountable.

It was a miserable and squalid Black Eye - and a black period in Church history - that could have been avoided oh-so-easily, from several different angles.

We learn by doing.

Even 2,000 year-old institutions.

Such behaviors - both the assaults themselves and the cover-ups - were despicable, indefensible and inexcusable, and the perpetrators should be publicly outed as molesters and/or obstructers of justice and/or conspirators, and charged with crimes in civilian courts of law and be punished when found guilty.

But such Black Eyes do not impact upon the merit and mission of the organization at-large - in the eyes of hundreds of millions world-wide.

Hope that helps.

It's interesting you take that position, because many Christians have been condemning all of Islam because of the actions of ISIS extremists.

That, mine good colleague, is the worst stretch of convoluted logic that I've seen in many a day, trying to breach the gap between A and B, to pretend that similarities exist, to a substantive extent which merits a serious comparison.

Sorry, but that one gets stuffed into the 'Fail' bucket.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Except the perverts inside the church who were molesting little boys for decades.

Quite true.

Nolo contendere.

But the deviants within the Church do not represent the Church in toto, nor even in the main.

Next slide, please.

Don't they? Because there were quite a few incidents it turns out and the hierarchy was complicit with it by covering it up.

Correct.

They don't.

There were, indeed, dozens of incidents - perhaps even hundreds - that became known over the past several decades, worldwide, but mostly in the US.

And large number of those incidents were, indeed, covered up, by both well-meaning and paranoid low-to-middle-range leadership, desperate to avoid scandal.

Like most cover-ups, once unmasked, the cover-up resulted in far more damage than would have been done, had the thing been handled openly to begin with.

Nolo contendere.

But those episodes of stupidity, callousness, paranoia and denial are becoming a thing of the past, as the public - and the law - hold them accountable.

It was a miserable and squalid Black Eye - and a black period in Church history - that could have been avoided oh-so-easily, from several different angles.

We learn by doing.

Even 2,000 year-old institutions.

Such behaviors - both the assaults themselves and the cover-ups - were despicable, indefensible and inexcusable, and the perpetrators should be publicly outed as molesters and/or obstructers of justice and/or conspirators, and charged with crimes in civilian courts of law and be punished when found guilty.

But such Black Eyes do not impact upon the merit and mission of the organization at-large - in the eyes of hundreds of millions world-wide.

Hope that helps.

It's interesting you take that position, because many Christians have been condemning all of Islam because of the actions of ISIS extremists.

That, mine good colleague, is the worst stretch of convoluted logic that I've seen in many a day, trying to breach the gap between A and B, to pretend that similarities exist, to a substantive extent which merits a serious comparison.

Sorry, but that one gets stuffed into the 'Fail' bucket.

It's exactly the same thing. The only difference is your bias in religions.

 

[Kondor3]

Quite true.

Nolo contendere.

But the deviants within the Church do not represent the Church in toto, nor even in the main.

Next slide, please.

Don't they? Because there were quite a few incidents it turns out and the hierarchy was complicit with it by covering it up.

Correct.

They don't.

There were, indeed, dozens of incidents - perhaps even hundreds - that became known over the past several decades, worldwide, but mostly in the US.

And large number of those incidents were, indeed, covered up, by both well-meaning and paranoid low-to-middle-range leadership, desperate to avoid scandal.

Like most cover-ups, once unmasked, the cover-up resulted in far more damage than would have been done, had the thing been handled openly to begin with.

Nolo contendere.

But those episodes of stupidity, callousness, paranoia and denial are becoming a thing of the past, as the public - and the law - hold them accountable.

It was a miserable and squalid Black Eye - and a black period in Church history - that could have been avoided oh-so-easily, from several different angles.

We learn by doing.

Even 2,000 year-old institutions.

Such behaviors - both the assaults themselves and the cover-ups - were despicable, indefensible and inexcusable, and the perpetrators should be publicly outed as molesters and/or obstructers of justice and/or conspirators, and charged with crimes in civilian courts of law and be punished when found guilty.

But such Black Eyes do not impact upon the merit and mission of the organization at-large - in the eyes of hundreds of millions world-wide.

Hope that helps.

It's interesting you take that position, because many Christians have been condemning all of Islam because of the actions of ISIS extremists.

That, mine good colleague, is the worst stretch of convoluted logic that I've seen in many a day, trying to breach the gap between A and B, to pretend that similarities exist, to a substantive extent which merits a serious comparison.

Sorry, but that one gets stuffed into the 'Fail' bucket.

It's exactly the same thing. The only difference is your bias in religions.

You perceive that the buggering of a handful of priests, and the cover-up of that such vile and tragic perversity, is the equivalent of the slaughtering of thousands and scores of thousands by Islamic extremists?

You are about as Dead Wrong as I've ever seen anyone be.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Don't they? Because there were quite a few incidents it turns out and the hierarchy was complicit with it by covering it up.

Correct.

They don't.

There were, indeed, dozens of incidents - perhaps even hundreds - that became known over the past several decades, worldwide, but mostly in the US.

And large number of those incidents were, indeed, covered up, by both well-meaning and paranoid low-to-middle-range leadership, desperate to avoid scandal.

Like most cover-ups, once unmasked, the cover-up resulted in far more damage than would have been done, had the thing been handled openly to begin with.

Nolo contendere.

But those episodes of stupidity, callousness, paranoia and denial are becoming a thing of the past, as the public - and the law - hold them accountable.

It was a miserable and squalid Black Eye - and a black period in Church history - that could have been avoided oh-so-easily, from several different angles.

We learn by doing.

Even 2,000 year-old institutions.

Such behaviors - both the assaults themselves and the cover-ups - were despicable, indefensible and inexcusable, and the perpetrators should be publicly outed as molesters and/or obstructers of justice and/or conspirators, and charged with crimes in civilian courts of law and be punished when found guilty.

But such Black Eyes do not impact upon the merit and mission of the organization at-large - in the eyes of hundreds of millions world-wide.

Hope that helps.

It's interesting you take that position, because many Christians have been condemning all of Islam because of the actions of ISIS extremists.

That, mine good colleague, is the worst stretch of convoluted logic that I've seen in many a day, trying to breach the gap between A and B, to pretend that similarities exist, to a substantive extent which merits a serious comparison.

Sorry, but that one gets stuffed into the 'Fail' bucket.

It's exactly the same thing. The only difference is your bias in religions.

You perceive that the buggering of a handful of priests, and the cover-up of that such vile and tragic perversity, is the equivalent of the slaughtering of thousands and scores of thousands by Islamic extremists?

You are about as Dead Wrong as I've ever seen anyone be.

You paint all Muslims in the same brush based on the actions of some, but get offended when someone paints all Catholics based on the actions of some.

 

[Kondor3]

Correct.

They don't.

There were, indeed, dozens of incidents - perhaps even hundreds - that became known over the past several decades, worldwide, but mostly in the US.

And large number of those incidents were, indeed, covered up, by both well-meaning and paranoid low-to-middle-range leadership, desperate to avoid scandal.

Like most cover-ups, once unmasked, the cover-up resulted in far more damage than would have been done, had the thing been handled openly to begin with.

Nolo contendere.

But those episodes of stupidity, callousness, paranoia and denial are becoming a thing of the past, as the public - and the law - hold them accountable.

It was a miserable and squalid Black Eye - and a black period in Church history - that could have been avoided oh-so-easily, from several different angles.

We learn by doing.

Even 2,000 year-old institutions.

Such behaviors - both the assaults themselves and the cover-ups - were despicable, indefensible and inexcusable, and the perpetrators should be publicly outed as molesters and/or obstructers of justice and/or conspirators, and charged with crimes in civilian courts of law and be punished when found guilty.

But such Black Eyes do not impact upon the merit and mission of the organization at-large - in the eyes of hundreds of millions world-wide.

Hope that helps.

It's interesting you take that position, because many Christians have been condemning all of Islam because of the actions of ISIS extremists.

That, mine good colleague, is the worst stretch of convoluted logic that I've seen in many a day, trying to breach the gap between A and B, to pretend that similarities exist, to a substantive extent which merits a serious comparison.

Sorry, but that one gets stuffed into the 'Fail' bucket.

It's exactly the same thing. The only difference is your bias in religions.

You perceive that the buggering of a handful of priests, and the cover-up of that such vile and tragic perversity, is the equivalent of the slaughtering of thousands and scores of thousands by Islamic extremists?

You are about as Dead Wrong as I've ever seen anyone be.

You paint all Muslims in the same brush based on the actions of some, but get offended when someone paints all Catholics based on the actions of some.

That may or may not be the case, and we can discuss that at any time and any place you like, except here, in this spot, and at this moment.

In this spot, and at this moment, you have been caught flat-handed, drawing faux equivalancies between a series of priest-buggerings over the decades, to the slaughter of thousands or scores of thousands by Muslim extremists.

Twist, squirm, and wiggle on the hook, all you like.

It doesn't change the fact that your faux analogy is foolhardy and not worthy of serious consideration.

Nor will your silly and amateurish attempts to change the subject and to distract attention away from your own mistake, going to do you any good in this instance.

Fail.

Next contestant, please.