Harry Dresden
Adamantium Member
Why is it a one or the other paradigm? Why can't both happen?i would think megalomaniacs like Dr.Doom would be more on the "we have to control you" agenda than guys like the Avengers.....but thats just me.....what i found funny is that the bad super people can give a shit about rules and regulations,but the UN is getting on a group of super people who have saved many people over the years and who are at least for the most part,on their side......This is, of course, a set up situation since the Avengers would have had agreements with the countries they entered.....Captain America is an honorable guy.....
The rule of law.....and which of the members of the U.N. believe in the rule of law?
I'm not saying the UN is the way to go, but the whole point of the movie (and the comic storyline) is that super heroes operate with little to no regulation most of the time. They simply do what they do because they can without regards for the rules that 'normal' people function under. Cap does the things he does because he considers them right, legal or not.
I thought it was funny that Chris Evans said he would be on 'team Iron Man' if this kind of thing actually existed.
Because the Avengers apparently ignore things like laws and national boundaries. Based on what was said in the movie, they went into.....whatever country it was the incident with Crossbones happened, I don't remember....without bothering to do so legally. It wasn't directly stated, but I think strongly implied, that the Avengers don't worry about whether they are crossing borders of sovereign nations.
They are vigilantes. They have not been given the authority to do what they do by the nations they operate in.
Now, in the comics the Avengers have been given that kind of authority at times, and I think they kind of had it in the first movie, under the auspices of the World Security Council. In Civil War, however, many nations seem to be saying that the Avengers have been acting without the proper authority.
It's not that the Avengers are bad guys, it's that they try to be good but do it outside the rules.
Of course there is a lot of emotional crap involved. Even in this fictional world the writers realized that many people would react from their guts and demand some sort of change after people are killed, even if the Avengers did everything they could to help. It's still a valid point that having powers doesn't make them outside the law.
Why is it a one or the other paradigm? Why can't both happen?
Unless you are advocating for unfettered vigilantism, of course the Avengers and other super heroes would be required to follow rules. The police have rules, the military have rules, intelligence agencies have rules, the only difference is the type of powers involved.
it can,but who would you worry about hurting normal people more....Captain America or Dr. Doom?...and who are you no doubt going to need to help stop these villains?....Cap and guys like him can be reasoned with....guys like doom.....not so much....