Capitalism's Failures in Hong Kong

[CrusaderFrank]

What's to blame for escalating protests in Hong Kong, capitalism or Communist China?

Why it’s wrong to blame Beijing for Hong Kong protests

• "Hong Kong’s civil unrest is motivated less by democratic dreams than by a crushing hopelessness in the face of growing inequality
• Capitalism’s failures in Hong Kong should be a cautionary tale for the rest of the world..."

"For the past 25 years, Hong Kong has been ranked the freest economy
in the world and a fine demonstration of capitalism.

"Prosperity has, however,come at a cost

"Skyrocketing property prices and an ever-widening wealth gap have been two direct consequences.

"Throw into the mix a lack offsocial mobility as well, and it’s easy for a young Hongkonger to feel that there is no way out.

"There are two reasons I am convinced the protests are not about
democracy

"First, during the over 150 years of British rule, Hong Kong never enjoyed democracy.

"This is not to say that people cannot demand what they never had, but when protesters
repeatedly reminisce about the 'better days' of British rule,
they do not refer to a democratic past, but to a period of relative equality."

Same old story.

Capitalists and communists throw human rights under the bus whenever the profit motive dictates.

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Lol yea. The protestors dont know what they are protesting, but you, a known moron, does.
Good gawd I love this site.

You're too stupid to be on this site

What is driving Hong Kong-China tensions?

"What do pro-democracy activists want?
Hong Kong's pro-democracy activists have been protesting against what they say is China's growing encroachment on the city's freedoms in a breach of the 'one country, two systems' arrangement.

"'I'm not the one to advocate for Hong Kong' independence, but I'm the one who fights for autonomy and against the indifference of China towards Hong Kong. And we were promised to have a high degree of autonomy in the international treaty, which means the joined declaration,' Joshua Wong, student and pro-democracy activist, told Al Jazeera.

"'The 'one country, two systems' in the 20th anniversary seems to be a lie for the Hong Kong people,' he added.

"'I hope to see full democracy in Hong Kong in my life time, but whether Hong Kong can implement, or achieve, democracy, it doesn't depend on me, but it depends on its people and the international community.'"

So you shifted from "the failure of capitalism" to Hong Kong's simply wanting autonomy from China in just two posts, using the link I provided? And then repeated the link I provided? And then went back to "the failure of capitalism"?

I seriously doubt they're rioting over "affordable housing."

I seriously doubt they're rioting over "affordable housing."

I seriously doubt you have any idea why the riots are occurring:

Does Hong Kong have a housing crisis?

"Hong Kong’s home prices are the world’s highest. Can the city fix it?

"So how much have prices gone up this year?

"The latest available government statistics from October showed Hong Kong’s private residential property prices had not dropped since March last year.

"Between this January and October, prices spiked by 11 per cent, according to the government’s private domestic price indices, which track overall trends in the property market."

Economic determinism - Wikipedia

ChiCom bot wants to tell us that the Hong Kong protests are not about liberty, freedom, nationalism and self determination but rather they want a Progressive economy like Cuba or Venezuela.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What's to blame for escalating protests in Hong Kong, capitalism or Communist China?

Why it’s wrong to blame Beijing for Hong Kong protests

• "Hong Kong’s civil unrest is motivated less by democratic dreams than by a crushing hopelessness in the face of growing inequality
• Capitalism’s failures in Hong Kong should be a cautionary tale for the rest of the world..."

"For the past 25 years, Hong Kong has been ranked the freest economy
in the world and a fine demonstration of capitalism.

"Prosperity has, however,come at a cost

"Skyrocketing property prices and an ever-widening wealth gap have been two direct consequences.

"Throw into the mix a lack offsocial mobility as well, and it’s easy for a young Hongkonger to feel that there is no way out.

"There are two reasons I am convinced the protests are not about
democracy

"First, during the over 150 years of British rule, Hong Kong never enjoyed democracy.

"This is not to say that people cannot demand what they never had, but when protesters
repeatedly reminisce about the 'better days' of British rule,
they do not refer to a democratic past, but to a period of relative equality."

Same old story.

Capitalists and communists throw human rights under the bus whenever the profit motive dictates.

Have you read Foreign Policy lately?

"As an individual, Trump has always been an unreliable peg for China hawks to hang their hopes on. He has absolutely zero interest in human rights and free speech. His own instincts are authoritarian, as he has repeatedly shown through his support for torture, pardons of war criminals, and attacks on the press. He is barely even able to pretend that he cares; he goes after China out of protectionist instincts, not political principle."

Donald Trump’s America Can’t Fight Xi Jinping’s China

In under one term Trump has pressured your ChiCom Masters like none of the past 3 Presidents ever did. He knows EXACTLY what he's doing! He's pressuring your ChiCom Masters to stop stealing all our IP

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So the question is

Is it really that different from what it is now

The HK government seems to be close to the mainland China government and cooperate with it

Sure there appears to be some autonomy but is it real or an illusion

You are probably right that those in HK know that times is running out and if they want their own country, best to do it before the deadline

But it would be interesting to get numbers of those who really fear the mainland taking over vs those who just accept that it is inevitable

Civil war is not pretty and I cannot see how they can win (HK who want independence) unless the UN goes to bat for them and try to pressure the mainland into granting them independence or striking up a new timeline for the inevitable

Civil war is not pretty and I cannot see how they can win (HK who want independence) unless the UN goes to bat for them and try to pressure the mainland into granting them independence or striking up a new timeline for the inevitable

I don't think any agent on the planet can interfere with China's intentions towards Hong Kong. Imho, China is the state capitalism was created for, and the Chinese believe the 21st century belongs to them.

In Warning to Hong Kong’s Courts, China Shows Who Is Boss

"BEIJING — After months of relative restraint, China’s Communist government this week took its most decisive steps to intervene in Hong Kong’s political crisis, signaling a more forceful response that could further inflame tensions in the Chinese territory.

"China’s top legislative body, the National People’s Congress, warned that it would use its authority, if necessary, to overrule the territory’s judiciary.

"It followed a Hong Kong court’s ruling on Monday overturning a contentious ban on wearing face masks, which protesters have used to shield their identities from the police."

ChiCom bots LOVE when an all powerful Progressive government gets to crush its unarmed citizens. I bet the video Maduro's APC running down those unarmed protesters was your preferred porn

 

[okfine]

What's to blame for escalating protests in Hong Kong, capitalism or Communist China?

Why it’s wrong to blame Beijing for Hong Kong protests

• "Hong Kong’s civil unrest is motivated less by democratic dreams than by a crushing hopelessness in the face of growing inequality
• Capitalism’s failures in Hong Kong should be a cautionary tale for the rest of the world..."

"For the past 25 years, Hong Kong has been ranked the freest economy
in the world and a fine demonstration of capitalism.

"Prosperity has, however,come at a cost

"Skyrocketing property prices and an ever-widening wealth gap have been two direct consequences.

"Throw into the mix a lack offsocial mobility as well, and it’s easy for a young Hongkonger to feel that there is no way out.

"There are two reasons I am convinced the protests are not about
democracy

"First, during the over 150 years of British rule, Hong Kong never enjoyed democracy.

"This is not to say that people cannot demand what they never had, but when protesters
repeatedly reminisce about the 'better days' of British rule,
they do not refer to a democratic past, but to a period of relative equality."

Same old story.

Capitalists and communists throw human rights under the bus whenever the profit motive dictates.

Have you read Foreign Policy lately?

"As an individual, Trump has always been an unreliable peg for China hawks to hang their hopes on. He has absolutely zero interest in human rights and free speech. His own instincts are authoritarian, as he has repeatedly shown through his support for torture, pardons of war criminals, and attacks on the press. He is barely even able to pretend that he cares; he goes after China out of protectionist instincts, not political principle."

Donald Trump’s America Can’t Fight Xi Jinping’s China

In under one term Trump has pressured your ChiCom Masters like none of the past 3 Presidents ever did. He knows EXACTLY what he's doing! He's pressuring your ChiCom Masters to stop stealing all our IP

Has he produced results?

Ever see the TV commercial where the young lady talks about the smell around her, and then says it was her own bad breath?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What's to blame for escalating protests in Hong Kong, capitalism or Communist China?

Why it’s wrong to blame Beijing for Hong Kong protests

• "Hong Kong’s civil unrest is motivated less by democratic dreams than by a crushing hopelessness in the face of growing inequality
• Capitalism’s failures in Hong Kong should be a cautionary tale for the rest of the world..."

"For the past 25 years, Hong Kong has been ranked the freest economy
in the world and a fine demonstration of capitalism.

"Prosperity has, however,come at a cost

"Skyrocketing property prices and an ever-widening wealth gap have been two direct consequences.

"Throw into the mix a lack offsocial mobility as well, and it’s easy for a young Hongkonger to feel that there is no way out.

"There are two reasons I am convinced the protests are not about
democracy

"First, during the over 150 years of British rule, Hong Kong never enjoyed democracy.

"This is not to say that people cannot demand what they never had, but when protesters
repeatedly reminisce about the 'better days' of British rule,
they do not refer to a democratic past, but to a period of relative equality."

Same old story.

Capitalists and communists throw human rights under the bus whenever the profit motive dictates.

Have you read Foreign Policy lately?

"As an individual, Trump has always been an unreliable peg for China hawks to hang their hopes on. He has absolutely zero interest in human rights and free speech. His own instincts are authoritarian, as he has repeatedly shown through his support for torture, pardons of war criminals, and attacks on the press. He is barely even able to pretend that he cares; he goes after China out of protectionist instincts, not political principle."

Donald Trump’s America Can’t Fight Xi Jinping’s China

In under one term Trump has pressured your ChiCom Masters like none of the past 3 Presidents ever did. He knows EXACTLY what he's doing! He's pressuring your ChiCom Masters to stop stealing all our IP

Has he produced results?

Ever see the TV commercial where the young lady talks about the smell around her, and then says it was her own bad breath?

The Hong Kong protests ARE the results of Trump ramping up the pressure on the ChiComs

 

[georgephillip]

What's to blame for escalating protests in Hong Kong, capitalism or Communist China?

Why it’s wrong to blame Beijing for Hong Kong protests

• "Hong Kong’s civil unrest is motivated less by democratic dreams than by a crushing hopelessness in the face of growing inequality
• Capitalism’s failures in Hong Kong should be a cautionary tale for the rest of the world..."

"For the past 25 years, Hong Kong has been ranked the freest economy
in the world and a fine demonstration of capitalism.

"Prosperity has, however,come at a cost

"Skyrocketing property prices and an ever-widening wealth gap have been two direct consequences.

"Throw into the mix a lack offsocial mobility as well, and it’s easy for a young Hongkonger to feel that there is no way out.

"There are two reasons I am convinced the protests are not about
democracy

"First, during the over 150 years of British rule, Hong Kong never enjoyed democracy.

"This is not to say that people cannot demand what they never had, but when protesters
repeatedly reminisce about the 'better days' of British rule,
they do not refer to a democratic past, but to a period of relative equality."

Same old story.

Capitalists and communists throw human rights under the bus whenever the profit motive dictates.

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

Where's the capitalist Pussy Grabber?

Why Hong Kong protesters wave US and British flags

"Another US flag-waver, who refused to give his name, said he wanted the American government to pass the proposed Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act.

"The legislation was first introduced in 2016 and then reintroduced earlier this year after the first protests against the extradition bill began in the city.

"While the bill is not likely to be passed in the short term, should it become law, it would require the US government to conduct an annual assessment of Hong Kong’s autonomy – something the city’s
Basic Law
and 'one country, two systems' model is supposed to protect."

How much money is the Trump Crime Family making in China?
Too much to support democracy in Hong Kong.

 

[JGalt]

What's to blame for escalating protests in Hong Kong, capitalism or Communist China?

Why it’s wrong to blame Beijing for Hong Kong protests

• "Hong Kong’s civil unrest is motivated less by democratic dreams than by a crushing hopelessness in the face of growing inequality
• Capitalism’s failures in Hong Kong should be a cautionary tale for the rest of the world..."

"For the past 25 years, Hong Kong has been ranked the freest economy
in the world and a fine demonstration of capitalism.

"Prosperity has, however,come at a cost

"Skyrocketing property prices and an ever-widening wealth gap have been two direct consequences.

"Throw into the mix a lack offsocial mobility as well, and it’s easy for a young Hongkonger to feel that there is no way out.

"There are two reasons I am convinced the protests are not about
democracy

"First, during the over 150 years of British rule, Hong Kong never enjoyed democracy.

"This is not to say that people cannot demand what they never had, but when protesters
repeatedly reminisce about the 'better days' of British rule,
they do not refer to a democratic past, but to a period of relative equality."

Same old story.

Capitalists and communists throw human rights under the bus whenever the profit motive dictates.

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

Where's the capitalist Pussy Grabber?

Why Hong Kong protesters wave US and British flags

"Another US flag-waver, who refused to give his name, said he wanted the American government to pass the proposed Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act.

"The legislation was first introduced in 2016 and then reintroduced earlier this year after the first protests against the extradition bill began in the city.

"While the bill is not likely to be passed in the short term, should it become law, it would require the US government to conduct an annual assessment of Hong Kong’s autonomy – something the city’s
Basic Law
and 'one country, two systems' model is supposed to protect."

How much money is the Trump Crime Family making in China?
Too much to support democracy in Hong Kong.

Why don't you go support them, so we we can watch when you get tear-gassed?

I haven't had a good laugh yet today.

 

[georgephillip]

"Seventeen of the 18 district councils are now controlled by pro-democracy councillors, according to local media.

"The election, the first since the wave of anti-Beijing protests began, saw an unprecedented turnout of more than 71%.

"It is being seen as a stinging rebuke of Ms Lam's leadership and a show of support for the protest movement."

HK leader will 'reflect' after election rout

Will Trump stay silent or support democracy in Hong Kong?

 

[georgephillip]

What's to blame for escalating protests in Hong Kong, capitalism or Communist China?

Why it’s wrong to blame Beijing for Hong Kong protests

• "Hong Kong’s civil unrest is motivated less by democratic dreams than by a crushing hopelessness in the face of growing inequality
• Capitalism’s failures in Hong Kong should be a cautionary tale for the rest of the world..."

"For the past 25 years, Hong Kong has been ranked the freest economy
in the world and a fine demonstration of capitalism.

"Prosperity has, however,come at a cost

"Skyrocketing property prices and an ever-widening wealth gap have been two direct consequences.

"Throw into the mix a lack offsocial mobility as well, and it’s easy for a young Hongkonger to feel that there is no way out.

"There are two reasons I am convinced the protests are not about
democracy

"First, during the over 150 years of British rule, Hong Kong never enjoyed democracy.

"This is not to say that people cannot demand what they never had, but when protesters
repeatedly reminisce about the 'better days' of British rule,
they do not refer to a democratic past, but to a period of relative equality."

Same old story.

Capitalists and communists throw human rights under the bus whenever the profit motive dictates.

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

Where's the capitalist Pussy Grabber?

Why Hong Kong protesters wave US and British flags

"Another US flag-waver, who refused to give his name, said he wanted the American government to pass the proposed Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act.

"The legislation was first introduced in 2016 and then reintroduced earlier this year after the first protests against the extradition bill began in the city.

"While the bill is not likely to be passed in the short term, should it become law, it would require the US government to conduct an annual assessment of Hong Kong’s autonomy – something the city’s
Basic Law
and 'one country, two systems' model is supposed to protect."

How much money is the Trump Crime Family making in China?
Too much to support democracy in Hong Kong.

Why don't you go support them, so we we can watch when you get tear-gassed?

I haven't had a good laugh yet today.

Why don't you go support them, so we we can watch when you get tear-gassed?

I haven't had a good laugh yet today.

You need a good laugh?

Glad I could help.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What's to blame for escalating protests in Hong Kong, capitalism or Communist China?

Why it’s wrong to blame Beijing for Hong Kong protests

• "Hong Kong’s civil unrest is motivated less by democratic dreams than by a crushing hopelessness in the face of growing inequality
• Capitalism’s failures in Hong Kong should be a cautionary tale for the rest of the world..."

"For the past 25 years, Hong Kong has been ranked the freest economy
in the world and a fine demonstration of capitalism.

"Prosperity has, however,come at a cost

"Skyrocketing property prices and an ever-widening wealth gap have been two direct consequences.

"Throw into the mix a lack offsocial mobility as well, and it’s easy for a young Hongkonger to feel that there is no way out.

"There are two reasons I am convinced the protests are not about
democracy

"First, during the over 150 years of British rule, Hong Kong never enjoyed democracy.

"This is not to say that people cannot demand what they never had, but when protesters
repeatedly reminisce about the 'better days' of British rule,
they do not refer to a democratic past, but to a period of relative equality."

Same old story.

Capitalists and communists throw human rights under the bus whenever the profit motive dictates.

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

Where's the capitalist Pussy Grabber?

Why Hong Kong protesters wave US and British flags

"Another US flag-waver, who refused to give his name, said he wanted the American government to pass the proposed Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act.

"The legislation was first introduced in 2016 and then reintroduced earlier this year after the first protests against the extradition bill began in the city.

"While the bill is not likely to be passed in the short term, should it become law, it would require the US government to conduct an annual assessment of Hong Kong’s autonomy – something the city’s
Basic Law
and 'one country, two systems' model is supposed to protect."

How much money is the Trump Crime Family making in China?
Too much to support democracy in Hong Kong.

Maybe you can rewatch Maduro's APC running over unarmed protesters?

 

[georgephillip]

What's to blame for escalating protests in Hong Kong, capitalism or Communist China?

Why it’s wrong to blame Beijing for Hong Kong protests

• "Hong Kong’s civil unrest is motivated less by democratic dreams than by a crushing hopelessness in the face of growing inequality
• Capitalism’s failures in Hong Kong should be a cautionary tale for the rest of the world..."

"For the past 25 years, Hong Kong has been ranked the freest economy
in the world and a fine demonstration of capitalism.

"Prosperity has, however,come at a cost

"Skyrocketing property prices and an ever-widening wealth gap have been two direct consequences.

"Throw into the mix a lack offsocial mobility as well, and it’s easy for a young Hongkonger to feel that there is no way out.

"There are two reasons I am convinced the protests are not about
democracy

"First, during the over 150 years of British rule, Hong Kong never enjoyed democracy.

"This is not to say that people cannot demand what they never had, but when protesters
repeatedly reminisce about the 'better days' of British rule,
they do not refer to a democratic past, but to a period of relative equality."

Same old story.

Capitalists and communists throw human rights under the bus whenever the profit motive dictates.

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

Where's the capitalist Pussy Grabber?

Why Hong Kong protesters wave US and British flags

"Another US flag-waver, who refused to give his name, said he wanted the American government to pass the proposed Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act.

"The legislation was first introduced in 2016 and then reintroduced earlier this year after the first protests against the extradition bill began in the city.

"While the bill is not likely to be passed in the short term, should it become law, it would require the US government to conduct an annual assessment of Hong Kong’s autonomy – something the city’s
Basic Law
and 'one country, two systems' model is supposed to protect."

How much money is the Trump Crime Family making in China?
Too much to support democracy in Hong Kong.

Maybe you can rewatch Maduro's APC running over unarmed protesters?

Maybe you can rewatch Maduro's APC running over unarmed protesters?

Heroes in Action

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What's to blame for escalating protests in Hong Kong, capitalism or Communist China?

Why it’s wrong to blame Beijing for Hong Kong protests

• "Hong Kong’s civil unrest is motivated less by democratic dreams than by a crushing hopelessness in the face of growing inequality
• Capitalism’s failures in Hong Kong should be a cautionary tale for the rest of the world..."

"For the past 25 years, Hong Kong has been ranked the freest economy
in the world and a fine demonstration of capitalism.

"Prosperity has, however,come at a cost

"Skyrocketing property prices and an ever-widening wealth gap have been two direct consequences.

"Throw into the mix a lack offsocial mobility as well, and it’s easy for a young Hongkonger to feel that there is no way out.

"There are two reasons I am convinced the protests are not about
democracy

"First, during the over 150 years of British rule, Hong Kong never enjoyed democracy.

"This is not to say that people cannot demand what they never had, but when protesters
repeatedly reminisce about the 'better days' of British rule,
they do not refer to a democratic past, but to a period of relative equality."

Same old story.

Capitalists and communists throw human rights under the bus whenever the profit motive dictates.

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

Where's the capitalist Pussy Grabber?

Why Hong Kong protesters wave US and British flags

"Another US flag-waver, who refused to give his name, said he wanted the American government to pass the proposed Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act.

"The legislation was first introduced in 2016 and then reintroduced earlier this year after the first protests against the extradition bill began in the city.

"While the bill is not likely to be passed in the short term, should it become law, it would require the US government to conduct an annual assessment of Hong Kong’s autonomy – something the city’s
Basic Law
and 'one country, two systems' model is supposed to protect."

How much money is the Trump Crime Family making in China?
Too much to support democracy in Hong Kong.

Maybe you can rewatch Maduro's APC running over unarmed protesters?

Maybe you can rewatch Maduro's APC running over unarmed protesters?

Heroes in Action

Progressive heroes in action

 

[georgephillip]

What's to blame for escalating protests in Hong Kong, capitalism or Communist China?

Why it’s wrong to blame Beijing for Hong Kong protests

• "Hong Kong’s civil unrest is motivated less by democratic dreams than by a crushing hopelessness in the face of growing inequality
• Capitalism’s failures in Hong Kong should be a cautionary tale for the rest of the world..."

"For the past 25 years, Hong Kong has been ranked the freest economy
in the world and a fine demonstration of capitalism.

"Prosperity has, however,come at a cost

"Skyrocketing property prices and an ever-widening wealth gap have been two direct consequences.

"Throw into the mix a lack offsocial mobility as well, and it’s easy for a young Hongkonger to feel that there is no way out.

"There are two reasons I am convinced the protests are not about
democracy

"First, during the over 150 years of British rule, Hong Kong never enjoyed democracy.

"This is not to say that people cannot demand what they never had, but when protesters
repeatedly reminisce about the 'better days' of British rule,
they do not refer to a democratic past, but to a period of relative equality."

Same old story.

Capitalists and communists throw human rights under the bus whenever the profit motive dictates.

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

ChiCom bots are out in full force to defend their motherland and Communism

Where's the capitalist Pussy Grabber?

Why Hong Kong protesters wave US and British flags

"Another US flag-waver, who refused to give his name, said he wanted the American government to pass the proposed Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act.

"The legislation was first introduced in 2016 and then reintroduced earlier this year after the first protests against the extradition bill began in the city.

"While the bill is not likely to be passed in the short term, should it become law, it would require the US government to conduct an annual assessment of Hong Kong’s autonomy – something the city’s
Basic Law
and 'one country, two systems' model is supposed to protect."

How much money is the Trump Crime Family making in China?
Too much to support democracy in Hong Kong.

Maybe you can rewatch Maduro's APC running over unarmed protesters?

Maybe you can rewatch Maduro's APC running over unarmed protesters?

Heroes in Action

Progressive heroes in action

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun (Chinese: pinyin: Qiānggǎn zi lǐmiàn chū zhèngquán) is a phrase which was coined by Chinese communist leader Mao Zedong. The phrase was originally used by Mao during an emergency meeting of the Communist Party of China on 7 August 1927, at the beginning of the Chinese Civil War.[1] Mao employed the phrase a second time on 6 November 1938, during his concluding speech at the sixth Plenary Session of the CPC's sixth Central Committee; again, the speech was concerned with the Civil War, and now also with World War II"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_power_grows_out_of_the_barrel_of_a_g

Debate over the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Wikipedia