Capitalism vs Corporatism

Obviously you're not seeing how this whole thing works. Anyway, this waltz has been gone over before.

Good article and it's spot on accurate.

Obviously you're living in a dream world. You need to get back to reality. Our representitives' votes are bought on a daily basis. The article may have some good points, but it provides no solutions. It assumes that corporatists will be punished, when all you're really getting is smarter corporatists. Facebook is touted as the answer to MySpace's mistakes, but they're essentially doing the same thing. Remember, when you're on Facebook, you're not the customer, you're the product!
 
The inevitable end result of pure unregulated capitalism is almost the same as pure communism. You end up with one supplier...one media source.....etc..etc... .

HUH?

And you reached this conclusion how?

BTW, the inevitable end result of fascism is that you end up with one tyrannical government.

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I don't understand your disconnect between GOVERNMENT regulating and subsidizing in favor of those who pay to play. If a politician is taking tons of money to give concessions to an industry that the politician can NOT grant them, why would they give them the money?

For what purpose? That's the whole point. Govt. has no role in dictating the market except for exactly what we see now; corporatism. They may better define laws in order to protect our rights and our private property. Once they start pickign who gets what based on the money they provide, the game is rigged.

Finally, something that makes sense. The game IS rigged, hence my call for public financing. They don't give money to just one politician, but to many on both sides of the aisle. That's why so many say there's no difference between the parties, they've both been co-opted by the way we finance elections.

Yeah, and? So, we make a new public campaign finance law. One that no politician will ever touch and then they take bribes in the backdoor and nothing changes. Yay.

That is why you take away the politicians ability to intervene in the market altogether and leave them with their original task. The only reason this doesn't seem to make sense to you is because I don't think you really understand how this works and why your suggestion wont change anything.

We can start by repealing the nightmare of nonsense jammed under interstate commerce.
 
Check history

I have, so did the founding fathers, read them and mend your ways



The Cato Letters


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I don't understand your disconnect between GOVERNMENT regulating and subsidizing in favor of those who pay to play. If a politician is taking tons of money to give concessions to an industry that the politician can NOT grant them, why would they give them the money?

For what purpose? That's the whole point. Govt. has no role in dictating the market except for exactly what we see now; corporatism. They may better define laws in order to protect our rights and our private property. Once they start pickign who gets what based on the money they provide, the game is rigged.

Finally, something that makes sense. The game IS rigged, hence my call for public financing. They don't give money to just one politician, but to many on both sides of the aisle. That's why so many say there's no difference between the parties, they've both been co-opted by the way we finance elections.

Yeah, and? So, we make a new public campaign finance law. One that no politician will ever touch and then they take bribes in the backdoor and nothing changes. Yay.

That is why you take away the politicians ability to intervene in the market altogether and leave them with their original task. The only reason this doesn't seem to make sense to you is because I don't think you really understand how this works and why your suggestion wont change anything.

We can start by repealing the nightmare of nonsense jammed under interstate commerce.

I'm afraid you're the one talking nonsense. Let them take bribes in the back door, that's why we have prosecutors, courts and jails. Your solution, taking away their ability to intervene in the market, doesn't make sense. Sometimes that's necessary. Nothing changes under your plan, because it depends on an impossibility and, in the end, a bad idea. Totally leaving government out of the market is as clueless as total government control of markets. Both require a basic change in human nature to work.
 
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There is no such thing as "unfettered" markets.

There is no such thing as "free" markets.

The question is how to effectively and efficiently regulate markets without retarding growth at an unacceptable level. To date, our federal bureaucracy has done a relatively poor job of regulating markets regardless of the amount of paperwork they manage to generate.

"More" is not necessarily "better". "De-regulation" can go too far. Both ends of this argument need to think a little.

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What really sticks in my craw is that we no longer allow big businesses to fail. Whether it is a bank or a car maker. And we don't punish criminals who exceed a certain level of wrongdoing. That, more than anything else, is what is killing capitalism.

Wall Street threw the underwriting laws of the Universe out the window in the mistaken belief their structured finance products had eliminated risk from the financial system. This was an astounding mass delusion on their part, especially since what they had actually achieved was greatly multiplying risk. And then when they realized they were wrong, they committed massive fraud to keep the music playing.

While it is true that our entire planet would have been plunged into a Depression that would have made the last one look like a picnic, that is only because our government had long ago sent a very implicit message we would never allow them to fail. That profits were privatized while losses were socialized.

And now that message is set in stone even more than before.

Wall Street dealers are grown-ups riding a bike with the training wheels still on, but thinking they are all Lance Armstrong. And they have their idiot hero worshippers who swallow yards of their cock because they believe such buffoons got their millions by earning them and that this is the way the system is supposed to work.
 
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There is no such thing as "unfettered" markets.

There is no such thing as "free" markets.

The question is how to effectively and efficiently regulate markets without retarding growth at an unacceptable level. To date, our federal bureaucracy has done a relatively poor job of regulating markets regardless of the amount of paperwork they manage to generate.

"More" is not necessarily "better". "De-regulation" can go too far. Both ends of this argument need to think a little.

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Sir, NO GOVERNMENT HAS EVER "EFFECTIVELY" REGULATED THE ECONOMY---NONE, Central planning does not work, check the recent history of the USSR, check the 1935 massive depression caused by the recently enacted US Federal Reserve Board.


Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal.

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There is no such thing as "unfettered" markets.

There is no such thing as "free" markets.

The question is how to effectively and efficiently regulate markets without retarding growth at an unacceptable level. To date, our federal bureaucracy has done a relatively poor job of regulating markets regardless of the amount of paperwork they manage to generate.

"More" is not necessarily "better". "De-regulation" can go too far. Both ends of this argument need to think a little.

Sir, NO GOVERNMENT HAS EVER "EFFECTIVELY" REGULATED THE ECONOMY---NONE, Central planning does not work, check the recent history of the USSR, check the 1935 massive depression caused by the recently enacted US Federal Reserve Board.

Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal.

"Regulation" and "Central planning" aren't the same thing. FAIL!!!
 
In a constant boom busst cycle average people can not make any headway.

The wealthy however can make money in a down and an up market.

The middle class in this country was created by Glass Steagal
 
No Glass Steagal = great depression


Glass Steagal removed = the great recesion.

Its no a coincidence
 
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There is no such thing as "unfettered" markets.

There is no such thing as "free" markets.

The question is how to effectively and efficiently regulate markets without retarding growth at an unacceptable level. To date, our federal bureaucracy has done a relatively poor job of regulating markets regardless of the amount of paperwork they manage to generate.

"More" is not necessarily "better". "De-regulation" can go too far. Both ends of this argument need to think a little.

Sir, NO GOVERNMENT HAS EVER "EFFECTIVELY" REGULATED THE ECONOMY---NONE, Central planning does not work, check the recent history of the USSR, check the 1935 massive depression caused by the recently enacted US Federal Reserve Board.

Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal.

"Regulation" and "Central planning" aren't the same thing. FAIL!!!


Mr dumb ass, sir.

What is the difference between "Regulation" and "Central planning" ?!?!?

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List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

now study this very long list and see how often we had recessions in this country.

What happened after Glass Steagal was put in place

As , indicated everyone of them was caused by the federal government intervening in the economy.

Before the Federal Reserve Board depressions were small and limited to a specific industry or geographic location.

Now depressions have nationwide effect and are prolonged.

Mend your ways.

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Sir, NO GOVERNMENT HAS EVER "EFFECTIVELY" REGULATED THE ECONOMY---NONE, Central planning does not work, check the recent history of the USSR, check the 1935 massive depression caused by the recently enacted US Federal Reserve Board.

Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal.

"Regulation" and "Central planning" aren't the same thing. FAIL!!!

What is the difference between "Regulation" and "Central planning" ?!?!?

Do some reading, before you call someone else a dumbass! :lol::lol:
 
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No Glass Steagal = great depression

Glass Steagal removed = the great recesion.

Its no a coincidence

Yep, the repeal of Glass Steagall was a BAD idea, and unraveling that mess may not be possible.

Way to go, D.C....

I wonder how that happened? Couldn't be that banks were making huge campaign contributions, could it?
 

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