Capitalism vs Corporatism

Wiseacre

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I see threads around here all the time bashing capitalism, when in fact we do not have a capitalistic system in place any more, we've bastardized it too much. There's no doubt that unchecked capitalism leads to abuses of customers and employees and competitors, but we've gone too far IMHO. We've got too damn many effin' politicians trying to make a name for themselves as crusaders for the public, proposing heavy handed new rules and laws that are costly and ineffective.


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Capitalism became a world-beater in the 1800’s, when it developed capabilities for endemic innovation. Societies that adopted the capitalist system gained unrivaled prosperity, enjoyed widespread job satisfaction, obtained productivity growth that was the marvel of the world and ended mass privation.

Now the capitalist system has been corrupted. The managerial state has assumed responsibility for looking after everything from the incomes of the middle class to the profitability of large corporations to industrial advancement. This system, however, is not capitalism, but rather an economic order that harks back to Bismarck in the late nineteenth century and Mussolini in the twentieth: corporatism.

In various ways, corporatism chokes off the dynamism that makes for engaging work, faster economic growth, and greater opportunity and inclusiveness. It maintains lethargic, wasteful, unproductive, and well-connected firms at the expense of dynamic newcomers and outsiders, and favors declared goals such as industrialization, economic development, and national greatness over individuals’ economic freedom and responsibility. Today, airlines, auto manufacturers, agricultural companies, media, investment banks, hedge funds, and much more has at some point been deemed too important to weather the free market on its own, receiving a helping hand from government in the name of the “public good.”
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It seems unlikely that so disastrous a system is sustainable. The corporatist model makes no sense to younger generations who grew up using the Internet, the world’s freest market for goods and ideas. The success and failure of firms on the Internet is the best advertisement for the free market: social networking Web sites, for example, rise and fall almost instantaneously, depending on how well they serve their customers.

Sites such as Friendster and MySpace sought extra profit by compromising the privacy of their users, and were instantly punished as users deserted them to relatively safer competitors like Facebook and Twitter. There was no need for government regulation to bring about this transition; in fact, had modern corporatist states attempted to do so, today they would be propping up MySpace with taxpayer dollars and campaigning on a promise to “reform” its privacy features.

The Internet, as a largely free marketplace for ideas, has not been kind to corporatism. People who grew up with its decentralization and free competition of ideas must find alien the idea of state support for large firms and industries. Many in the traditional media repeat the old line “What's good for Firm X is good for America,” but it is not likely to be seen trending on Twitter.

The legitimacy of corporatism is eroding along with the fiscal health of governments that have relied on it. If politicians cannot repeal corporatism, it will bury itself in debt and default, and a capitalist system could re-emerge from the discredited corporatist rubble. Then “capitalism” would again carry its true meaning, rather than the one attributed to it by corporatists seeking to hide behind it and socialists wanting to vilify it.

Blaming Capitalism for Corporatism - Edmund S. Phelps and Saifedean Ammous - Project Syndicate
 
The hallmark of corporatist capitalism is that those in power seek to mitigate normal cpaitlism and replace normal market forces with government controlled market forces.

Both parties are party to this system, folks.

BOTH parties.
 
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Yeah, this is a problem, and an underestimated problem at that. Corporatism has so badly bastardized capitalism that it has opened the door nice and wide for anti-capitalists to scream "See? Capitalism doesn't work!", as if this were capitalism. Corporatism has made capitalism terribly vulnerable, and we're at a tipping point.

And as far as editec's comment above about how both parties are involved, I couldn't agree more. I'd think the GOP has more to worry about here, since they're the party that (1) is more identified with corporations and (2) is more likely to be viewed as their apologists.

Those who are against REAL capitalism are licking their chops right now, guaranteed.

Yet another self-inflicted wound.

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Some of us have been saying it since OWS chums came along drooling and droning on about capitalism is the problem. Good article.
 
Some of us have been saying it since OWS chums came along drooling and droning on about capitalism is the problem. Good article.

Yup... definitely not news, but always worth discussion.

In my view the tacit support of corporatism, from both major parties, is the most distressing feature of the current political landscape. Corporatism is fundamentally anti-democratic. It replaces the rule of law with what the OP article refers to as the "managerial state". We're turning away from egalitarian rule-making, to government that acts primarily as a power broker - deciding who will be "more equal" and who less so.
 
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there is nothing wrong with caplitalism as long as it is correctly regulated by the people
 
Go check the economics forum. There is one title "is capitalism in crisis". As right off the top of my head. In it, you will find people arguing that we have capitalism and an assortment of other fallacies.
 
The hallmark of corporatist capitalism is that those in power seek to mitigate normal cpaitlism and replace normal market forces with government controlled market forces.

Both parties are party to this system, folks.

BOTH parties.

You forgot "... and that's why we need public financing of elections". :cool:
 
The hallmark of corporatist capitalism is that those in power seek to mitigate normal cpaitlism and replace normal market forces with government controlled market forces.

Both parties are party to this system, folks.

BOTH parties.

You forgot "... and that's why we need public financing of elections". :cool:

Here we go with this argument again......
 
Some of us have been saying it since OWS chums came along drooling and droning on about capitalism is the problem. Good article.

Yup... definitely not news, but always worth discussion.

In my view the tacit support of corporatism, from both major parties, is the most distressing feature of the current political landscape. Corporatism is fundamentally anti-democratic. It replaces the rule of law with what the OP article refers to as the "managerial state". We're turning away from egalitarian rule-making, to government that acts primarily as a power broker - deciding who will be "more equal" and who less so.

Still whining I see. It's time to get angry and really push for public financing of elections. Where's the solution beyond that? I don't see human nature changing, so the only option, IMO, is to REALLY change the game. Don't like corporatism? Don't make it easy for them to bribe our representitives.
 

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