Capitalism is...Slavery; Democracy is Not

Wealth envy? Is that the best you can come up with? Sounds like Beck 101... anyone who doesn't believe in the CURRENT Form of Capitalism is just jealous. What I mean by "current form" is the extreme notion that "bigger is better". Look around you Chief...Mom and Pops are dying, being replaced by the Corporate. Small business is the answer, not the problem.

If you want small business to compete, you have to give them an even playing field. Health Care... Big business can afford it, Small business can't. If you were a newly married mechanic with a kid on the way... who would you rather work for? Joe's garage or Pep Boys? Or better yet.. who could you afford to work for. Both would probably give you the same wages or at least close enough... but Pep Boys offers Health Insurance... Joe's Garage can't.

That's the issue... that's the problem. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WEALTH ENVY!!!!!

You're what Lenin used to call a "useful idiot". I find it amusing that the original term was given by Vladimir Lenin to Communist Sympathizers in America. Now it can be fully attributed to you people who support a tyranny that is irrepressible in nature.

But politicians generalize across the landscape, big, small, intermediate. It doesn't matter to them but it does to us who own small businesses.

IT does matter to some of them. Let me ask you something. Let's suppose your taxes go up by 4%... to the 39% during the Clinton years. Through that tax increase, it allowed money to be trickled down to the state level where they can afford to do more projects, hire their companies to do contracts for needed services, or even hire needed Public Servants. Having MORE people with MORE income increases your opportunities for business, does it not?

That's what things like the Stimulus is designed to do.

I take it you are a small business owner. Do you provide your employees with Health insurance? If you do...

A. How is it affecting your bottom line?
B. How good is the coverage?

Now compare that to the big boys who have Billions at their disposal.

THAT'S what the Health Care plan was(originally) supposed to do.... It's been so watered down though that I don't think it's gone nearly far enough. A Public Option was a necessity.

Imagine... if you couldn't afford to provide a quality Health Insurance Plan to your employees, you'd still have the public option to fall back on.... perhaps take a supplemental policy to cover some things that the Public Option didn't at a fraction of the cost.

Now... just for one second... think about what that would mean for Big business. That would mean that their "Commodities"(as referenced in another thread), would have the FREEDOM to choose your business rather than ACME INC. to work... or even start a business of their own and not have to worry about what would happen if their kid(s) got sick. That is huge.

Big business doesn't want THAT kind of competition...so they threw out the Socialist, Marxist, Communist labels with full gusto. If you have a business, you know the power of advertizing and Marketing... Imagine if you had a virtually unlimited marketing budget... Imagine the people you could sway to your side of the debate.


Why would I wan't to pay an additional 4 percent in taxes as a business owner? This could possibly keep me from giving out raises, bonuses, jobs, if the profits weren't there. Not only that, as taxes rise, I'm not gonna eat most of that. That gets passed on to the consumer or I'm out of business. As far as the stimulus, that's not free money. That's money that never made it to us that will have to be paid back by us. I mean, what kind of goofy economics is that?
 
I agree with removing tax loopholes and removing regulations that protect big business...

Again, I'm asking - why don't they do that? Why don't your Democratic leaders start with earnest proposals to change the fundamentally unfair policies? Why, instead, do they open the floodgates on corporate welfare, bailout every bloated corporation that is 'too big to fail'. The answer is because they have exactly NO interest in curtailing corporate power. They find it quite convenient, in fact. All they want is a piece of the action. Which is why, instead, they pursue corporate/government 'partnerships' that radically expand the power of both.
 
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Why would I wan't to pay an additional 4 percent in taxes as a business owner? This could possibly keep me from giving out raises, bonuses, jobs, if the profits weren't there. Not only that, as taxes rise, I'm not gonna eat most of that. That gets passed on to the consumer or I'm out of business. As far as the stimulus, that's not free money. That's money that never made it to us that will have to be paid back by us. I mean, what kind of goofy economics is that?

What if that 4% raise in income taxes meant that you didn't have to provide your employees with health Insurance? I guarantee you that Providing health Insurance is more than 4% of a small business' revenue stream. It is a win for you... it is a win for your workers.

Stimulus creates buying power for the vast majority of people... buying power allows MORE opportunity for you to sell whatever it is you are selling.... when you sell more of something, you raise your revenue and makes you money.

Of course stimulus money is not "Free"... it's an investment.... but thanks to the Corporate Sponsored right wing... it's been defeated in it's purpose.. Banks still aren't lending... even though they got bailed out by the citizenry... Companies still aren't hiring... even though they have(at last count) 2-3 TRILLION dollars at their collective disposal to get things rolling again.

Why haven't they done so... IMO, it's because they don't give a shit about their home country. They care about themselves... this is what CAPITALISM run amok looks like. It is just as much of a Tyranny as anything Stalin could have dreamt of.

Capitalism and Socialism. Opposing forces meant for balance in these United States of America. When one side gets too much power, the other steps in.... the only problem is that Capitalism has had 30+ years of dominance. That's a hell of a disadvantage towards balance.
 
I agree with removing tax loopholes and removing regulations that protect big business...

Again, I'm asking - why don't they do that? Why don't your Democratic leaders start with earnest proposals to change the fundamentally unfair policies? Why, instead, do they open the floodgates on corporate welfare, bailout every bloated corporation that is 'too big to fail'. The answer is because they have exactly NO interest in curtailing corporate power. They find it quite convenient, in fact. All they want is a piece of the action. Which is why, instead, they pursue corporate/government 'partnerships' that radically expand the power of both.

What do you want to hear? They are as indebted to the "powers that be" as the GOP? Sure they are. Every person in elected Government Service is beholden to them... they got them elected... OBAMA Included.

Once again... you give in on your beliefs that the People have no right to safety nets, and I'll agree with Libertarianism.
 
Why would I wan't to pay an additional 4 percent in taxes as a business owner? This could possibly keep me from giving out raises, bonuses, jobs, if the profits weren't there. Not only that, as taxes rise, I'm not gonna eat most of that. That gets passed on to the consumer or I'm out of business. As far as the stimulus, that's not free money. That's money that never made it to us that will have to be paid back by us. I mean, what kind of goofy economics is that?

What if that 4% raise in income taxes meant that you didn't have to provide your employees with health Insurance? I guarantee you that Providing health Insurance is more than 4% of a small business' revenue stream. It is a win for you... it is a win for your workers.

Stimulus creates buying power for the vast majority of people... buying power allows MORE opportunity for you to sell whatever it is you are selling.... when you sell more of something, you raise your revenue and makes you money.

Of course stimulus money is not "Free"... it's an investment.... but thanks to the Corporate Sponsored right wing... it's been defeated in it's purpose.. Banks still aren't lending... even though they got bailed out by the citizenry... Companies still aren't hiring... even though they have(at last count) 2-3 TRILLION dollars at their collective disposal to get things rolling again.

Why haven't they done so... IMO, it's because they don't give a shit about their home country. They care about themselves... this is what CAPITALISM run amok looks like. It is just as much of a Tyranny as anything Stalin could have dreamt of.

Capitalism and Socialism. Opposing forces meant for balance in these United States of America. When one side gets too much power, the other steps in.... the only problem is that Capitalism has had 30+ years of dominance. That's a hell of a disadvantage towards balance.


I was against the fed bailout of the banks. Something that O voted on and Bush pushed for. I have no love for the banks. They should be able to fail just like any other business that doesn't make wise decisions. I never saw a dime from the stimulus nor did I ever borrow from the banks. I disagree with the fed ever being created back in 1913.

How about I keep the 4 percent and I decide on how it gets spent.....on my employees....instead of a distant federal government that doesn't have a freaking clue about my employees.
 
Under the very difinitions of the words a republic is a Democracy.

when will you people stop trying to change the facts?

I don't know, maybe when you buy a dictionary???

Democracy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


de·moc·ra·cy noun \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\
plural de·moc·ra·cies
Definition of DEMOCRACY
1a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections



now will you accept the facts or jsut keep buying into the lies of the right?
 
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Under the very difinitions of the words a republic is a Democracy.

when will you people stop trying to change the facts?

I don't know, maybe when you buy a dictionary???

Democracy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


de·moc·ra·cy noun \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\
plural de·moc·ra·cies
Definition of DEMOCRACY
1a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections



now will you accept the facts or jsut keep buying into the lies of the right?

Will you read your own damn post? I know the definition of democracy. Now look up a Republic. A Republic UTILIZES the democratic process but it is NOT a democracy.

Here's a little primer that may help you better understand:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0]YouTube - ‪Republic vs Democracy‬‏[/ame]
 
Nope its not a direct or pure democracy.

you are confusing those two with what a democracy is
 
Republic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


Definition of REPUBLIC
1a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit <the French Fourth Republic>
2: a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activity <the republic of letters>
3: a constituent political and territorial unit of the former nations of Czechoslovakia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, or Yugoslavia




Now its time for you to wonder why the right keep lying to you about the definitions of words.

You are being played for stupid by them
 
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Without competition, capitalism would not flourish.
It serves little to no purpose for "the economically fit to drive the unfit out of business and into extinction".
Since the days of the East India Company the most successful capitalists have crushed competitors in order to monopolize markets. Most of the successful corporations have bribed government for tax favors and laws that encourage monopolies and cartels coming into existence.

Capitalists need customers and clients far more than they need authentic competition, imho.

Welcome to Human behaviour...Incentive...Commerce...And a Pure Democracy is any better? Son you have a problem...Wealth Envy for starters...and hatred for Capitalism a close second.
"Fast on the heels of the passage and then Supreme Court interpretations of the Fourteenth Amendment, a new type of feudalism emerged in America with the Industrial Revolution; it included women, people of color, and first-generation immigrants.

"The explosion of factories in the East and the Midwest was so great and so rapid that millions of workers emigrated from Europe to the United States, many of them arriving deeply in debt and indentured to their new employers."

Your problem seems to be "thinking" as if you are indentured to capital.

You are.

"Unequal Protection": The People&#039;s Masters | Truthout
 
I was against the fed bailout of the banks. Something that O voted on and Bush pushed for. I have no love for the banks. They should be able to fail just like any other business that doesn't make wise decisions. I never saw a dime from the stimulus nor did I ever borrow from the banks. I disagree with the fed ever being created back in 1913.

How about I keep the 4 percent and I decide on how it gets spent.....on my employees....instead of a distant federal government that doesn't have a freaking clue about my employees.



1. Good... you should have been... However, your facts are wrong.. Bush pushed for them and got them in OCTOBER of 2008. Before the election.

2. Maybe you didn't see a "dime from the Stimulus" but other businesses did.. other Communities did.

3. I disagree with the Fed ever being created too... that was an "in" for the banking industry to control our monetary system.

4. How 'bout you keep the 4%? Well, let me ask you... you alright with re-training people to do their jobs, or do you want loyal employees? If you are OK with the former, then by all means.. keep it. If you want consistency and higher production, I would think that having less turnover and more experienced employees would be a good thing.

Unless of course, you think that you are "above" the people that provide you of your own personal income.... If that's the case.. then YOU are the kind of person I despise the most and am fighting against.
 
What part of "One person one vote" scares you most?

The part where numskulls like you get to vote. Democracy is rule by the dumbest 51% of the population. That prospect should scare any intelligent person.

You constantly remind me how conservatives of the 18th and 19th centuries supported their monarchs against Democracy.

Maybe you should learn Mandarin?

The modern definitions of the terms "conservative" and "liberal" bare no resemblance whatsoever to their 18th Century definition.
What would you know about any intelligent person?

Political conservatives were useful to their monarchs in deflecting Democracy.
Possibly that's because conservatives value obedience to "legitimate" authority over freedom.
Do you believe freedom comes from obedience?
 
I was against the fed bailout of the banks. Something that O voted on and Bush pushed for. I have no love for the banks. They should be able to fail just like any other business that doesn't make wise decisions. I never saw a dime from the stimulus nor did I ever borrow from the banks. I disagree with the fed ever being created back in 1913.

How about I keep the 4 percent and I decide on how it gets spent.....on my employees....instead of a distant federal government that doesn't have a freaking clue about my employees.



1. Good... you should have been... However, your facts are wrong.. Bush pushed for them and got them in OCTOBER of 2008. Before the election.

2. Maybe you didn't see a "dime from the Stimulus" but other businesses did.. other Communities did.

3. I disagree with the Fed ever being created too... that was an "in" for the banking industry to control our monetary system.

4. How 'bout you keep the 4%? Well, let me ask you... you alright with re-training people to do their jobs, or do you want loyal employees? If you are OK with the former, then by all means.. keep it. If you want consistency and higher production, I would think that having less turnover and more experienced employees would be a good thing.

Unless of course, you think that you are "above" the people that provide you of your own personal income.... If that's the case.. then YOU are the kind of person I despise the most and am fighting against.

Bush pushed for it, Obama voted for it. Those are facts. I never said anything about being above anyone. I don't even know what you are talking about there. I don't have that elitist attitude that so many on capitol hill DO have.
 
Confused about the fundamental conflicts regarding proper distribution of power?

"Listen, for example, to liberal economist Lester Thurow who writes that 'democracy and capitalism have very different beliefs about the proper distribution of power.

"'One believes in a completely equal distribution of political power, "one man [sic] one vote," while the other believes that it is the duty of the economically fit to drive the unfit out of business and into extinction. "Survival of the fittest" and inequalities in purchasing power are what capitalist efficiency is all about.

"'Individual profit comes first and firms become efficient to be rich. To put it in its starkest form, capitalism is perfectly compatible with slavery. Democracy is not.'"

Capitalism and Democracy Don't Mix Very Well ::: International Endowment for Democracy

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AVM: CAPITALISM, INDEED!!!!!!! WOULDN'T YOU AGREE, BUSH ONLY WANTS VANCOUVER FOR THE OIL!!! (IF ONLY THERE WERE OIL IN JESUSLAND!!!!!!) SWEAR TO GAEA!? THE LIAR-IN-CHIEF'S WAR AGAINST UNION WAGES MUST END NOW!!? WHAT NEXT!!? WILL THE WARMONGERS COME TO GUT ME FOR BEING A NUDIST!!!!!? WILL MY PRO-CHOICE FRIENDS NOW BE ENGULFED JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE WOMEN!!? LOGICALLY IT'S OPEN SEASON ON DISSIDENTS!!!! THE TRUTH IS AT HANDICAPPEDARABSFORREPRODUCTIVERIGHTS.ORG!!!!! I REJECT WAR AND SUPERSTITION!!!! IF YOU AREN'T MORIBUND ABOUT THE HYPOCRISY AND DISAPPEARING OF THIS EMPEROR, THEN I GET THE FEELING YOU ARE A RECHIMPLICAN RIGHTIST CHAMBERMAID OF ANTONIN SCALIA AND THE WASHINGTON TIMES!!!! SINCE 1960, 34,393 LATINO AGNOSTICS HAVE BEEN HYPNOTIZED IN THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE! IMO, BU$$$H CAUSED HURRICANE KATRINA BY EXPLODING THE ABORIGINAL PUERTO RICANS IN LIBERIA! HUH!!!!!!!! ACTUALLY, NED LAMONT'S BOOK, "MARCHING TO FAIR WAGES," SHOULD BE REQUIRED READING FOR RECHIMPLICKINS LIKE YOU!!! OH!!!
 
Once again... you give in on your beliefs that the People have no right to safety nets, and I'll agree with Libertarianism.

I'm not asking you to give in on anything. I'm asking you to work together with libertarians to accomplish the things we can agree on. You seem to recognize that the primary obstacle in accomplishing that is the status quo politicians that comprise both the Democrat and Republican parties. We have to quit supporting them.
 
And the founders knew this. That's why they adopted and melded a system in which this wouldn't occur, a republic.
The same founders who didn't think women should vote?

Elites have feared Democracy for centuries.
That's why they invented the corporation.
That's why they enforced chattel slavery.

Take a look at all of the different problems that were wrong that we corrected as a nation. Nothing is perfect because man is imperfect. Thats why there's the need for checks and balances out the wazoo.
Where are the checks and balances on the corporation and the richest Americans it enables?

"American candidates without vast financial resources or access to such resources can generally forget about being taken seriously in money- and media-driven campaigns.

"As most Americans see it, the democratic ideal of 'one person, one vote,' is negated by the harsh realities of 'dollar democracy' and the 'golden rule' ('those who have the gold rule').

"The candidate-selection and policy making processes belong primarily to the top 10 percent of Americans that own 73.2 percent of American wealth." (in Feb. 2000)

Capitalism and Democracy Don't Mix Very Well ::: International Endowment for Democracy
 

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