Capitalism is...Slavery; Democracy is Not

[georgephillip]

What part of the Electoral College scares you?

No part of the Electoral College scares me as much as capitalism's priorities of inequality of return or profit for suppliers of capital above human rights.

Are you familiar with any human rights violations perpetrated by the Electoral College?

Go study the Federalist Papers...Get back to me when that task is completed...and then I'll expect a full report on it...until then?

*Don't bother responding to me* until I read a comprehensive report from you line item, by line item? Got it ACE?

You're not that special, Slave.

 

[georgephillip]

If we lived in a pure democracy, minorities would not have rights.

Absolutely. If you didn't like a law, a rule? Heck with it...take a vote among the assembled, and take matters into your own hands...problem solved...right?

"The Bill of Rights is the collective name for the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution.[1] They were introduced by James Madison to the 1st United States Congress in 1789 as a series of legislative articles and came into effect as Constitutional Amendments on December 15, 1791, through the process of ratification by three-fourths of the States.

"The Bill of Rights is a series of limitations on the power of the U.S. federal government, protecting the natural rights of liberty and property including freedom of religion, freedom of speech, a free press, free assembly, and free association, as well as the right to keep and bear arms."

United States Bill of Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

Article is from the International Endowment for Democracy. Sounds innocent enough, who are they? From the "Who We Are" page:
Who We Are ::: I.E.D. Officers ::: International Endowment for Democracy

Honorary Chairman: Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal

OP negged!

Ever known any cops who deserved killing?

Is self-defense a legitimate defense for a "convicted" cop killer?

 

[The T]

No part of the Electoral College scares me as much as capitalism's priorities of inequality of return or profit for suppliers of capital above human rights.

Are you familiar with any human rights violations perpetrated by the Electoral College?

Go study the Federalist Papers...Get back to me when that task is completed...and then I'll expect a full report on it...until then?

*Don't bother responding to me* until I read a comprehensive report from you line item, by line item? Got it ACE?

You're not that special, Slave.

*TSK TSK*...Apparently you cannot read.

 

[georgephillip]

If we lived in a pure democracy, minorities would not have rights.

Absolutely. If you didn't like a law, a rule? Heck with it...take a vote among the assembled, and take matters into your own hands...problem solved...right?

And the founders knew this. That's why they adopted and melded a system in which this wouldn't occur, a republic.

The same founders who didn't think women should vote?

Elites have feared Democracy for centuries.
That's why they invented the corporation.
That's why they enforced chattel slavery.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Absolutely. If you didn't like a law, a rule? Heck with it...take a vote among the assembled, and take matters into your own hands...problem solved...right?

And the founders knew this. That's why they adopted and melded a system in which this wouldn't occur, a republic.

The same founders who didn't think women should vote?

Elites have feared Democracy for centuries.
That's why they invented the corporation.
That's why they enforced chattel slavery.

Take a look at all of the different problems that were wrong that we corrected as a nation. Nothing is perfect because man is imperfect. Thats why there's the need for checks and balances out the wazoo.

 

[georgephillip]

Absolutely. If you didn't like a law, a rule? Heck with it...take a vote among the assembled, and take matters into your own hands...problem solved...right?

And the founders knew this. That's why they adopted and melded a system in which this wouldn't occur, a republic.

And Rule of Law...not of men...or whatever happened to be on the hit parade at the moment...and they made it difficult to change things on purpose.

Things like Chattel slavery, Ace?

Maybe you should learn to comprehend English before you start on Mandarin?

 

[Truthmatters]

Article is from the International Endowment for Democracy. Sounds innocent enough, who are they? From the "Who We Are" page:
Who We Are ::: I.E.D. Officers ::: International Endowment for Democracy

Honorary Chairman: Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal

OP negged!

did our founders set us up a democracy or a caplitalistic government?

 

[Truthmatters]

Government is Good - Capitalism Requires Government

 

[georgephillip]

And the founders knew this. That's why they adopted and melded a system in which this wouldn't occur, a republic.

And Rule of Law...not of men...or whatever happened to be on the hit parade at the moment...and they made it difficult to change things on purpose.

Which is also why according to our founders our rights, and laws come from GOD!! Not that I am a believer or anything, but the idea was if our rights came from GOD, then no mere man could ever take them away from us.

Isn't that the purpose of the Bill of Rights?

To guarantee unalienable rights?

 

[georgephillip]

Article is from the International Endowment for Democracy. Sounds innocent enough, who are they? From the "Who We Are" page:
Who We Are ::: I.E.D. Officers ::: International Endowment for Democracy

Honorary Chairman: Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal

OP negged!

did our founders set us up a democracy or a caplitalistic government?

Apparently it wasn't a unanimous decision.

"More than two thousand corporations had been chartered between 1790 and 1860. They helped protect themselves from economic disasters by keeping tight control over the economy and the markets within which they operated. In this they echoed the Federalist ideas of Alexander Hamilton and John Adams."

The founding generation of Americans was highly suspicious of corporation because of their personal experience with the East India Company. Once that original generation died off, corporations began expanding their influence until the Great Depression.

"By the time of Santa Clara, the generation that knew the East India Company was dead, and the corporate excesses that would eventually bring about the Great Depression hadn’t yet happened. So most of these associations were quite open and free in declaring their intent to control prices, markets, and competition.

"The American Brass Association, for example, came right out and said that its purpose in organizing was 'to meet ruinous competition.' Similar language was found in the charters, articles, and publications of trade groups that organized to protect large companies, in business categories as diverse as selling cotton, manufacturing matches, and distributing steel.4"

"Unequal Protection": The People's Masters | Truthout

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

The issue for democracies is the potential undue influence corporate entities may exact via the media, and the degree of sophistication and knowledge of the electorate.

Translation: the construct of false consciousness, the thing by which those of us who believe in free markets are led astray. The few, the enlightened, the self-anointed must be empowered to silence the "potential undue influence of corporate entities" and lead the rubes to the promised land.

Right?

 

[rdean]

Capitalism is NOT slavery. But turning the country over to corporations IS.

 

[georgephillip]

And the founders knew this. That's why they adopted and melded a system in which this wouldn't occur, a republic.

That came to an end when Lincoln ended the rights of state nullification and secession by invading the Southern States.

Which side sought to expand chattel slavery into Kansas and Texas?

It wasn't Abe's.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Capitalism is NOT slavery. But turning the country over to corporations IS.

But turning the country over to excessive government is good?

 

[Truthmatters]

Its time the right stopped pretending that democracy is evil and capitalism is what the founders believed in.

Capitalism is the aid of democracy not the other way arround.

Democracy is what made this country great.

Its what made us the first superpower.

The world had tried caplitalism well before we came along.

It was the mix of caplitalism FETTERED by democracy that was the magic combination that created what many in the world then sought to emmulate due to its wonderful results.

It created an exsistance that allowed everyone the chance to take advantage of their own abilities and prosper through hard work.

You begin chopping it up and trying to give its protections to corporations and you end up with the same damn thing as we had in the past.

Wealthy people getting so wealthy that they can enslave the rest of us and buy our freedoms right out from underneath us.

 

[eflatminor]

Confused about the fundamental conflicts regarding proper distribution of power?

"Listen, for example, to liberal economist Lester Thurow who writes that 'democracy and capitalism have very different beliefs about the proper distribution of power.

"'One believes in a completely equal distribution of political power, "one man [sic] one vote," while the other believes that it is the duty of the economically fit to drive the unfit out of business and into extinction. "Survival of the fittest" and inequalities in purchasing power are what capitalist efficiency is all about.

"'Individual profit comes first and firms become efficient to be rich. To put it in its starkest form, capitalism is perfectly compatible with slavery. Democracy is not.'"

Capitalism and Democracy Don't Mix Very Well ::: International Endowment for Democracy

Well it's a damn good thing then that America is not a Democracy but a Republic.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

But turning the country over to excessive government is good?

And what exactly is ‘excessive government’? Conservatives throw this murky phrase about with no clear understanding. What constitutes ‘excessive government.’ Laws violating civil rights? A vast military complex? Number of Federal employees?

What exactly?

Until a definition is established all agree upon, the phrase is meaningless.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Honesty, trust, accountability, and responsibility is what made us great.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

But turning the country over to excessive government is good?

And what exactly is ‘excessive government’? Conservatives throw this murky phrase about with no clear understanding. What constitutes ‘excessive government.’ Laws violating civil rights? A vast military complex? Number of Federal employees?

What exactly?

Until a definition is established all agree upon, the phrase is meaningless.

You can't be serious. Go look at the redundancy and waste within our depts. Go look at our endless wars, constant social engineering, outdated laws, etc, and so on. Yes, we have govt to the excess.