Cap and trade in India. No way Jose.

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    Naturally the liberal left know all about business and economy, like how to destroy them.

    Gateway Pundit: India to Dear Leader: We're Not Interested in Capping Carbon Emissions

    Sunday, July 19, 2009
    India to Dear Leader: We're Not Interested in Capping Carbon Emissions
    Hillary could not persuade the Indian Government to cap their carbon emissions like US democrats are pushing on American businesses.

    No dice.



    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, right, and India's Junior Minister for Environment and Forests, Jairam Ramesh, share a light moment upon the former's arrival at the ITC hotel chain's Green Building in Gurgaon, on the outskirts of New Delhi, India,
    Sunday, July 19, 2009. (AP)

    India's environment minister told visiting Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the country is not interested in capping carbon emissions.
    Bloomberg reported, via LGF:


    India will resist pressure from the Obama administration to accept legally binding caps on its carbon emissions, the South Asian nation’s environment minister told visiting Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    “There is simply no case for the pressure that we, who have been among the lowest emissions per capita, face to actually reduce emissions,” Jairam Ramesh said at a meeting today with Clinton in Gurgaon near New Delhi, according to a statement he issued to reporters. “And as if this pressure was not enough, we also face the threat of carbon tariffs on our exports to countries such as yours.”

    Clinton is on a state visit to India meant to showcase trade and security ties and seek common ground on climate change and arms control. India has said it will reject any new treaty to limit global warming that makes it reduce emissions because that will undermine the country’s energy consumption, transportation and food security.
    Related... It was reported this weekend that House Democratic Leaders bought off key Blue Dogs the night before the cap and trade vote.

    The potential cost of the democrat's cap and trade policy is enormous. It will likely cost $700 to $1,400 dollars per family per year. The Department of Energy estimated that a similar bill, S. 2191, the Warner-Lieberman cap-and-trade proposal, will increase the cost of coal for power generation by between 161 percent and 413 percent. Human Events reported that the DOE estimated GDP losses (see chart) over the 21-year period they forecast, at between $444 billion and $1.308 trillion. There are estimates that the bill could increase unemployment by 2.7 percent or about 4 million jobs.

    No wonder a developing country like India is not interested.


    We live in a society -
    "of the Government, by the Government, for the Government".
    We are now slaves to A GREEDY government.
     
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    Dude, it takes TWENTY INDIANS to emit as much carbon as ONE AMERICAN. Yeah, no wonder they're not interested.

    :cuckoo:
     
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    Um ... yeah ... that's the reason.

    One question though ... what is your calculation based on?
     
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    LOL Thanks Dive, I was getting to that, just setting up the environuts for a serious embarrassment first would have been more fun.
     
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    the only reason his post has any validity is they have a HUGE population
     
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    Per capita it's probably about the same based on the totals though. The problem is that the environuts are still using fear to rule, which is by definition, terrorism.
     
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    they arent as industrialized as we are
    if they put in half the emission controls we do they would put out LESS that we do
     
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    Awww, you guys are so silly. You're the one who should be embarrassed. In the graph that DiveCon just put up, India's emissions are only the little orange bar between China and the Middle East, not EVERYTHING underneath it. Use some common sense guys. *knocks on left temple* I mean, seriously, I'm hoping I'm wrong. I'm really hoping you guys aren't assuming that the graph is saying India's emissions are larger, cuz that really crosses some sort of idiocy threshold. You guys think that INDIA, AFRICA, OR BRAZIL produce MORE EMMISSIONS THAN THE US?????????????? Oh my god... I'm about to burst into laughter. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Anyway, AS FOR "MY" CALCULATIONS, you can just ask, as DiveCon did, the Energy Information Agency (except actually understanding what you read, durr):

    Energy Information Administration - International Carbon Dioxide Emissions and Carbon Intensity Data

    Click the chart "Total Emissions from the Consumption of Energy" (this includes Consumption of Petroleum, Natural Gas, and Coal and Flaring of Natural Gas) and you can plainly see (for 2006; Million Metric Tons of Carbon Dioxide):

    United States: 5902.75
    India: 1293.17

    Durr. And if you don't like to do the math, click on "Per Capita Total Carbon Dioxide Emissions from the Consumption of Energy" and you can plainly see (for 2006, Metric Tons of Carbon Dioxide):

    United States: 19.78
    India: 1.16

    ERGO: TWENTY INDIANS produce as much carbon dioxide (GIVE OR TAKE) than ONE AMERICAN. Jesus, the fact that you guys doubt that is astounding. Do you know anything about India? India is insanely poor. Most Indians are RIDICULOUSLY poor. Mostly rural. The vast majority of the population lives on LESS THAN A DOLLAR A DAY. They don't have 3 plasma TVs, fridge, computers, washer, dryer going on and on and on all day consuming energy.

    Nearly 80 pct of India lives on half dollar a day | Reuters

    And then you guys come in claiming that "Per capita it's probably about the same based on the totals though." Haha, you guys are seriously dense. You should read more about the world before exposing such blatant stupidity. :lol::lol::lol:

    You can also look in this, wayyy neater website from the Norwegian University of Science and Technology. They make it pretty:

    http://www.carbonfootprintofnations.com/index.php
     
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    :eusa_eh: Okay ... you embarrassed yourself anyhow. Learn how to read a graph please ... :eusa_whistle:
     

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