Can't Fight Terrorism Without Energy Security

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    so let's get the ball moving folks....
     
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    Drilling in ANWR! :rock:
     
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    Pointless bandaid by itself.

    Bush's single greatest failure as a President and maybe as a human being was his failure to seize the opportunity presented by 9/11 to call upon American citizens, our businesses, our transportation industry, our engineerings and our energy companies to radically change the face of America's energy dependency.

    Unlike most envrionmentalists, I'm willing to open up ANWR, but only as a bridge to a revolution in energy.

    The one thing that's clear about energy policy is that dependence upon Middle Eastern oil will only work so long. And it opens our nation up to all of the crap we are facing today.

    If the was even just one reason to consider voting for John Kerry, it was his willingness to launch an "Apollo Project" for energy. Bush's deep commitment to oil is a disservice to our nation and our national security.
     
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    Oh. I've seen the apollo project propaganda. Where they basically admitted that there's no science behind environmentalism, and to talk about it in terms of "clean" jobs creation? http://www.apolloalliance.org/

    I've seen their white papers. They're red through and through.
     
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    Any private company that can develop cheaper and more sustainable energy is certainly free to do so. Do they need a president to tell them " Hey guys, get out there and get rich? Do you really believe that the government has to take the lead on this one ?
     
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    It's the same as my argument about funding for stem cell research. I keep hearing that stem cell research will find an Altzheimer's cure, so it needs federal funding. My response is, "If that were true, you'd have to beat off private investors with a stick, so why do you need federal funding?"

    If alternative energy was just on the horizon, it wouldn't need any push from the government. I mean, if somebody said, "Hey, I've got a car that runs on lawn clippings and gets 1000 mpg. You'll never have to buy gas again," I'd pay a lot for it. If I saw substantial proof that a company was on the road to developing a cheap, alternative energy source, they'd get my entire life savings as an investment.
     
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    America consumes 20 million barrels per day (BPD) of oil.

    Anwar is projected to be capable of producing less than 1 million bpd.

    Taking into account the continued decline in production of our own oil fields over the past three decades, Anwar will merely slow down the continued decline of domestic production.

    That being said it should still be done.
     
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    We have the wrong government in charge today, and it was the wrong one 10 years ago. Those greedy assholes should all deported off a cliff in an old school bus for driving this country into the ground. Taking a piddly 18 million research program and cutting it down to 2 million, yet allowing the drilling of Alaska is a f'n crime against the planet. The only president who tried to make a difference along these lines was Jimmy Carter. Clinton, the Bush's, Reagan are all useless. Because of their greed, and combined stupidity, we are in this peril today.

    The more US dollars spent on buying foreign fuel, is more money spent against the security of this country. It is counter productive.. I do believe that some of the "spillover" profits is being channeled to the terrorists who have it out of the US.

    Then, take all the overpaid yuppy scum hosebag soccer moms, who feel that their family's safety is only assured when they drive a GM Suburban, or Ford Navigator around in the city, while their equally useless little split tales bip on their cell phones while watching videos on the seat mounted LCD monitors,,, and hit them up with a surcharge ($100/week proceeds go to FE vehcile development).. I see many of the little dicks driving every morning in their bigblock Silverados, Ford F350's, etc... on their way to office jobs. It is wrong.

    For the most part, Americans are ignorant and NEED to be told, lead, or outright forced to buy more fuel efficent cars/trucks.. But also, to buy/use the right vehicle for the need at hand.

    (Own a boat of about 1500# weight or more, or a towable camper of the same??? You should own a v8 powered SUV. That is what they were meant for.))

    Government needs to offer more incentives for people to buy alternate energy powered vehicles, and penalize those who care less about the importation, and waste of fossil fuels. The gov needs to spend money to educate the people on what is good and bad in a FE vehicle.

    Those who choose the status quo should pay the price, dearly.
     
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    Are you saying Bush stole the election? Did diebold do it?
     
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    I think he means the wrong government in charge for facing what is the greatest crisis this country is facing, oil depletion.
     

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